BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I do think the hang up on state intervention is quite revealing about how BoJo wants to govern.surrey_commuter said:
there are plenty of other examplesrick_chasey said:
Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
Trump just needs to nail down the WTO coffin then you can have all of the state intervention you and Boris want.0 -
if you were a Lib Dem activist you might feel like you lost the battle but won the warrick_chasey said:
I do think the hang up on state intervention is quite revealing about how BoJo wants to govern.surrey_commuter said:
there are plenty of other examplesrick_chasey said:
Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
Trump just needs to nail down the WTO coffin then you can have all of the state intervention you and Boris want.0 -
How come?surrey_commuter said:
if you were a Lib Dem activist you might feel like you lost the battle but won the warrick_chasey said:
I do think the hang up on state intervention is quite revealing about how BoJo wants to govern.surrey_commuter said:
there are plenty of other examplesrick_chasey said:
Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
Trump just needs to nail down the WTO coffin then you can have all of the state intervention you and Boris want.0 -
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slightly tongue in cheek but the state intervention, higher taxes, borrowing and spending must be things you approve ofrick_chasey said:
How come?surrey_commuter said:
if you were a Lib Dem activist you might feel like you lost the battle but won the warrick_chasey said:
I do think the hang up on state intervention is quite revealing about how BoJo wants to govern.surrey_commuter said:
there are plenty of other examplesrick_chasey said:
Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
Trump just needs to nail down the WTO coffin then you can have all of the state intervention you and Boris want.0 -
I mean, the kind of brexit thing sticks in the craw rather, and I think there are some priorities they have wrong.surrey_commuter said:
slightly tongue in cheek but the state intervention, higher taxes, borrowing and spending must be things you approve ofrick_chasey said:
How come?surrey_commuter said:
if you were a Lib Dem activist you might feel like you lost the battle but won the warrick_chasey said:
I do think the hang up on state intervention is quite revealing about how BoJo wants to govern.surrey_commuter said:
there are plenty of other examplesrick_chasey said:
Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
Trump just needs to nail down the WTO coffin then you can have all of the state intervention you and Boris want.
I also think the home office side is pretty awful, as is the education focus (the 'grand history' of the UK is an appalling set piece of the curriculum), and the general appalling quality of governance.
That all aside, sure, it's grand.0 -
interesting - in an ideological battle between sucking up to the Yanks and p1ssing off farmers I did not know which way they would fall.rick_chasey said:UK has dropped the objection to US chlorinated chicken FYI.
suggests EU deal is dead in the water0 -
Catch is it's subject to tariffs.surrey_commuter said:
interesting - in an ideological battle between sucking up to the Yanks and p1ssing off farmers I did not know which way they would fall.rick_chasey said:UK has dropped the objection to US chlorinated chicken FYI.
suggests EU deal is dead in the water0 -
Time to join the winning team then?rick_chasey said:
I mean, the kind of brexit thing sticks in the craw rather, and I think there are some priorities they have wrong.surrey_commuter said:
slightly tongue in cheek but the state intervention, higher taxes, borrowing and spending must be things you approve ofrick_chasey said:
How come?surrey_commuter said:
if you were a Lib Dem activist you might feel like you lost the battle but won the warrick_chasey said:
I do think the hang up on state intervention is quite revealing about how BoJo wants to govern.surrey_commuter said:
there are plenty of other examplesrick_chasey said:
Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
Trump just needs to nail down the WTO coffin then you can have all of the state intervention you and Boris want.
I also think the home office side is pretty awful, as is the education focus (the 'grand history' of the UK is an appalling set piece of the curriculum), and the general appalling quality of governance.
That all aside, sure, it's grand."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
so other than Brexit, their priorities, Home Office, Education and governance they have aligned themselves with your views?rick_chasey said:
I mean, the kind of brexit thing sticks in the craw rather, and I think there are some priorities they have wrong.surrey_commuter said:
slightly tongue in cheek but the state intervention, higher taxes, borrowing and spending must be things you approve ofrick_chasey said:
How come?surrey_commuter said:
if you were a Lib Dem activist you might feel like you lost the battle but won the warrick_chasey said:
I do think the hang up on state intervention is quite revealing about how BoJo wants to govern.surrey_commuter said:
there are plenty of other examplesrick_chasey said:
Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
Trump just needs to nail down the WTO coffin then you can have all of the state intervention you and Boris want.
I also think the home office side is pretty awful, as is the education focus (the 'grand history' of the UK is an appalling set piece of the curriculum), and the general appalling quality of governance.
That all aside, sure, it's grand.0 -
Thanks for stating the obvious even though i have pointed this out. The point is that if the EU wish to raise tariffs against UK goods then why would the UK not do the same on EU goods and take that UK consumers money to subsidise UK exporters. If you did this how long until EU exporters question the logic of this stance.surrey_commuter said:
Uk manufacturers will not pay EU tariffs, it is paid by the consumer. Most people do not get this and cheer at the prospect of punishing German car makers by us paying more for their cars.john80 said:If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.
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You think this sleight of hand makes a difference?john80 said:
Thanks for stating the obvious even though i have pointed this out. The point is that if the EU wish to raise tariffs against UK goods then why would the UK not do the same on EU goods and take that UK consumers money to subsidise UK exporters. If you did this how long until EU exporters question the logic of this stance.surrey_commuter said:
Uk manufacturers will not pay EU tariffs, it is paid by the consumer. Most people do not get this and cheer at the prospect of punishing German car makers by us paying more for their cars.john80 said:If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.
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If we continue to ignore the fact that subsidising exports is illegal under WTO rules why don’t we have a voluntary fund so that public spirited people, like yourself, can pay in money to subsidise our exporters.john80 said:
Thanks for stating the obvious even though i have pointed this out. The point is that if the EU wish to raise tariffs against UK goods then why would the UK not do the same on EU goods and take that UK consumers money to subsidise UK exporters. If you did this how long until EU exporters question the logic of this stance.surrey_commuter said:
Uk manufacturers will not pay EU tariffs, it is paid by the consumer. Most people do not get this and cheer at the prospect of punishing German car makers by us paying more for their cars.john80 said:If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.
EU (and UK exporters) will be well aware of the stupidity of this stance but it is democracy.
You have to accept that 28% or so of the population voted for this. Try and console yourself with the thought that it is a few bumps in the road to the land of milk and honey.
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Whats the average time for the WTO to uphold a complaint and do any countries ever pay.0
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a good question and I am no expert but the fact that Trump has not gone down this route with the Chinese makes me think it is a phenomenally bad idea.
The UK really does need the WTO in the brave new world so it is best not to help the yanks in killing it off.
Anyway if you leave the single market this is what the world looks like. The party line is that tariffs are irrelevant so I really would not worry about it. Some companies will export less and some will not survive that is just part of the plan, just see it as collateral damage in the goal of greater sovereignty.
imagine what it looks like for somebody who places zero value on sovereignty?0 -
why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?0
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it is a good question but one that I can not answer as conversely I have no idea why anybody places any value on it. I genuinely have no idea why anybody would rather be ruled by Westminster purely because they are British.spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
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Not necessarily, some people want to be born in this country for various reasons!rick_chasey said:
Because what nation you happen to be born in is total chance?spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
So i take it you would rather be ruled by a even more remote body then i take it?surrey_commuter said:
it is a good question but one that I can not answer as conversely I have no idea why anybody places any value on it. I genuinely have no idea why anybody would rather be ruled by Westminster purely because they are British.spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
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This will be brilliant. Worth it alone for who it will trigger
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How on earth can you possibly want to be born anywhere? You might want your own children to be born somewhere and I suppose you might wish you were born somewhere else but you have absolutely no control of where you are born.spatt77 said:
Not necessarily, some people want to be born in this country for various reasons!rick_chasey said:
Because what nation you happen to be born in is total chance?spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
So i take it you would rather be ruled by a even more remote body then i take it?surrey_commuter said:
it is a good question but one that I can not answer as conversely I have no idea why anybody places any value on it. I genuinely have no idea why anybody would rather be ruled by Westminster purely because they are British.spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
To the second question, honestly don't give a damn. Parliament might as well be on the Moon.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Yes your right, as a unborn child you have no influence in this! however my parents wanted me to be born in the UK and i`m glad they did. Having travelled extensively all over the world there are some beautiful and great places out there but i wouldn't change a thing and also look forward to being part of Europe once we have left the EU which of course we will be.0
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Don’t care about the distance or the nationality, all I care about is competence.spatt77 said:
Not necessarily, some people want to be born in this country for various reasons!rick_chasey said:
Because what nation you happen to be born in is total chance?spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
So i take it you would rather be ruled by a even more remote body then i take it?surrey_commuter said:
it is a good question but one that I can not answer as conversely I have no idea why anybody places any value on it. I genuinely have no idea why anybody would rather be ruled by Westminster purely because they are British.spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
Did you miss my question of why you place any value on sovereignty? I am genuinely interested as it is an alien concept to me.
If it helps I support England in any sport but have no interest in the other home nations.
If England was being invaded I certainly wouldn’t risk my life to defend it.0 -
I presume that statement rather depends on how you think the insurgents will treat your family. A competent governing force isn't necessarily a nice one.surrey_commuter said:
If England was being invaded I certainly wouldn’t risk my life to defend it.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Nope - not being religious or belief in an afterlife makes my life precious to me. Probably irrelevant as to my lack of interest in sovereigntypblakeney said:
I presume that statement rather depends on how you think the insurgents will treat your family. A competent governing force isn't necessarily a nice one.surrey_commuter said:
If England was being invaded I certainly wouldn’t risk my life to defend it.0 -
So by your logic you would rather be ruled by the EU then?rick_chasey said:
By that logic you'd rather be ruled by your local council....spatt77 said:
So i take it you would rather be ruled by a even more remote body then i take it?0 -
So if , lets say a thoroughly unpleasant individual was planing to invade , you would just open the door and invite him in then?surrey_commuter said:
Don’t care about the distance or the nationality, all I care about is competence.spatt77 said:
Not necessarily, some people want to be born in this country for various reasons!rick_chasey said:
Because what nation you happen to be born in is total chance?spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
So i take it you would rather be ruled by a even more remote body then i take it?surrey_commuter said:
it is a good question but one that I can not answer as conversely I have no idea why anybody places any value on it. I genuinely have no idea why anybody would rather be ruled by Westminster purely because they are British.spatt77 said:why would anyone place zero value on sovereignty?
Did you miss my question of why you place any value on sovereignty? I am genuinely interested as it is an alien concept to me.
If it helps I support England in any sport but have no interest in the other home nations.
If England was being invaded I certainly wouldn’t risk my life to defend it.0 -
Right. Now try to hold that thought and pretend you are saying that as a Bosnian in 1991.surrey_commuter said:
Nope - not being religious or belief in an afterlife makes my life precious to me. Probably irrelevant as to my lack of interest in sovereigntypblakeney said:
I presume that statement rather depends on how you think the insurgents will treat your family. A competent governing force isn't necessarily a nice one.surrey_commuter said:
If England was being invaded I certainly wouldn’t risk my life to defend it.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Indeed!pblakeney said:
Right. Now try to hold that thought and pretend you are saying that as a Bosnian in 1991.surrey_commuter said:
Nope - not being religious or belief in an afterlife makes my life precious to me. Probably irrelevant as to my lack of interest in sovereigntypblakeney said:
I presume that statement rather depends on how you think the insurgents will treat your family. A competent governing force isn't necessarily a nice one.surrey_commuter said:
If England was being invaded I certainly wouldn’t risk my life to defend it.0
