BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Just confirms that we are now officially off message.
Carry on.....The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Surely the sensible thing to do if they are unable to make an online system work is to move Parliament to a temporary home away from the antiquated Palace of Westminster. The place is falling to bits anyway, IIRC they want to spend £5bn of taxpayers money doing the place up, might as well get on with it now, rather than dilly-dallying over whether to vote for chocolate biscuits, or plain.
Stick them in the NEC or somewhere similar rather than bickering like spoilt brats. The country needs leadership, not pontification by a bunch of old spivs and non-gender SJW's.
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I think they just rejected continuing with that into July. The voting system is so fucked up and impenetrable though, who knows?rick_chasey said:They had an online system!
I think the first division was on an amendment to keep that for a while, and the new vote is on the main bill to go back to something or other from the 1700s that Rees-Mogg wants. First vote took about 45 minutes.0 -
coopster_the_1st said:
The best way to change stupid rules is to get those who wrote them to live them.kingstongraham said:When you think you're queuing for Harry Potter's World of Wizarding ride, but end up voting for Brexit.
Should only take a couple of weeks of this before sensible rules start being considered/implemented. 1m social distancing instead of 2m would improve things swiftly
Sorry, what?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
A voting system devised by a Government who believe driving a car is an eye test
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I can see the above being abandoned on the first rainy day.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1
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Can't even get a decent deal with their own party, far less the EU.
Does anyone have any confidence in getting a deal done?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Is there anything this f*cking shower can get right?“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
Wilier Cento Uno SR/Wilier Mortirolo/Specialized Roubaix Comp/Kona Hei Hei/Calibre Bossnut2 -
He just voted for something he believes is a farce, and against something he agrees with, because he doesn't want to rebel. There's all you need to know.3 -
Yay, what’s more democratic than less democracy?rick_chasey said:0 -
TheBigBean said:
In that spirit, Nissan is not going to close its Sunderland plant.kingstongraham said:Like old times in here.
Seems that "it depends" after all...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/03/nissan-warns-sunderland-plant-cant-survive-no-deal-brexit/0 -
past experience suggests that the people who were crowing about the previous announcement will be on to proclaim you can not trust anything Nissan saybriantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
In that spirit, Nissan is not going to close its Sunderland plant.kingstongraham said:Like old times in here.
Seems that "it depends" after all...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/03/nissan-warns-sunderland-plant-cant-survive-no-deal-brexit/0 -
The thing that's puzzling me, who is it they're actually trolling here?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Fewer votes, more power for the executive.tailwindhome said:The thing that's puzzling me, who is it they're actually trolling here?
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If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.0
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I suppose the Brexit voters in Sunderland will be happy.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Finance Monthlyjohn80 said:If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.
"The UK’s trade deficit
Despite our popular products, the nation is sitting with a trade deficit to the EU — we import more from the EU than we sell to the EU. In 2017, we exported £274 billion worth to the EU, and imported £341 billion’s worth from the EU. In fact, the only countries in the EU that bought more from us than we bought from them were Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, and Malta. Our biggest trade deficit is to Germany, who sold us £26 billion more than we sold to them.
The UK also has a trade deficit with Asia, having sold £20 billion less in goods and services than we bought in."0 -
We don't. We're a net importer. Particularly with the EU.john80 said:If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.
The UK had a trade deficit with the EU of £72 billion in 2019 and a trade surplus of £46 billion with non-EU countries.
The trade balance with all countries decreased by £12.7 billion to a deficit of £4.8 billion in Quarter 1 of 2020 compared with a £8.0 surplus in the previous Quarter.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02815/#:~:text=The UK had a trade,surplus in the previous Quarter.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Uk manufacturers will not pay EU tariffs, it is paid by the consumer. Most people do not get this and cheer at the prospect of punishing German car makers by us paying more for their cars.john80 said:If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.
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To be exact, it is paid by the importer and then either passed onto the consumer, or the importer sucks it up to the extent they cannot pass on the extra cost.surrey_commuter said:
Uk manufacturers will not pay EU tariffs, it is paid by the consumer. Most people do not get this and cheer at the prospect of punishing German car makers by us paying more for their cars.john80 said:If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.
And based on your explanation, the EU would be punishing its consumers by imposing extra tariffs on UK goods.
It may help sales of UK produced cars in your specific example as they may be relatively better value."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yes the EU would be punishing it's own consumers. That and the subsidies are my huge problem with CAP.Stevo_666 said:
To be exact, it is paid by the importer and then either passed onto the consumer, or the importer sucks it up to the extent they cannot pass on the extra cost.surrey_commuter said:
Uk manufacturers will not pay EU tariffs, it is paid by the consumer. Most people do not get this and cheer at the prospect of punishing German car makers by us paying more for their cars.john80 said:If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing tjem to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports.
And based on your explanation, the EU would be punishing its consumers by imposing extra tariffs on UK goods.
It may help sales of UK produced cars in your specific example as they may be relatively better value.
I am against barriers to trade but if you had to do so then targeting areas where there is a scalable British produced alternative would make more sense than cars.0 -
Apologies guys but i wrote the opposite of what I was thinking as I knew that we imported more than we exported hence the logic. I am not suggesting that we start the tariff argument but merely react to it and subsidise the exporters. If a product costs £10000 to the consumer and they put a 5% tariff on it then we effectively subsidise the exporter so that the end retailer can still sell the product for 10k after paying the tariff. As this money is being paid out form central government we just put an equivalent value of tariffs on other things going the other way. The consumer pays a bit more for imported goods but we protect UK interests. Where is the harm and eventually the EU would realise that the game is no win for them as we buy some tomatoes from a non EU country instead of Spain.
If you assume no deal means tariffs for goods yo the EU. Whats stops a UK government paying UK manufacturers tariffs for exporting good to the EU from the proceeds of the equivalent import tariffs that the UK would the levy against the EU. Sure we as consumers pay a bit more for goods from the EU but exporters get essentially a grant allowing them to sell the product at the same price as before. Given we export more than we import how does this not nullify Nissans issues to give an example. It would also drive importers behaviour to minimise EU imports0 -
Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.0
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Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
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there are plenty of other examplesrick_chasey said:
Remind me how the aggressive tax breaks for FANG companies aren't export subsidies.surrey_commuter said:Export subsidies are against the rules. The fact that even Trump has not gone there tells you how mad an idea it is.
Trump just needs to nail down the WTO coffin then you can have all of the state intervention you and Boris want.0
