BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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tailwindhome said:
Interesting development from Nissan in the FT.
They seem to have a plan to move production to the UK if there are tariffs on cars, essentially gambling they can grab a huge chunk of the UK market share (from 4% to 20%)
Ill try to post a link when I'm on my desktop.
Im sure there's a bit more to it than I've described
Nissan has drawn up a plan to pull out of mainland Europe if Brexit leads to tariffs on car exports — but to double down on the UK, where the Japanese company believes it could sell one in five cars.
Two people involved in the discussions said the contingency plan, drawn up late last year, would see Nissan close its struggling Barcelona van facility and stop manufacturing in France.
https://ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-4442-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c
I wouldn't have predicted that strategy, it sounds like a good move though if tariffs are levied.0 -
Here you go:tailwindhome said:Interesting development from Nissan in the FT.
They seem to have a plan to move production to the UK if there are tariffs on cars, essentially gambling they can grab a huge chunk of the UK market share (from 4% to 20%)
Ill try to post a link when I'm on my desktop.
Im sure there's a bit more to it than I've described
https://ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-4442-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c
Potentially a very smart move if true. Wonder what people will make of this?
Macron might have a regret or two
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Norton have been struggling to bring back the brand for a while, It's good to see other British companies triumph!rick_chasey said:
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Seems to one of a number of scenarios plannedStevo_666 said:
Here you go:tailwindhome said:Interesting development from Nissan in the FT.
They seem to have a plan to move production to the UK if there are tariffs on cars, essentially gambling they can grab a huge chunk of the UK market share (from 4% to 20%)
Ill try to post a link when I'm on my desktop.
Im sure there's a bit more to it than I've described
https://ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-4442-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c
Potentially a very smart move if true. Wonder what people will make of this?
Macron might have a regret or two
Increasing market share to 20 % seems an ambitious planning assumption.
That a lot of Micras“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Just a possibility, but imagine the number of posts if the main scenario was to move all production out of the UK.
Interesting point in the article that Nissan believe both their EU and UK business is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs.
It also mentions that ther carmakers are considering growing in the UK after a hard Brexit, e.g. Peugeot. Boris will be encouraged by this I am sure."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
and not entirely sure stuff like this that was going on had anything to do with the B word https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/30/taken-for-a-ride-how-norton-motorcycles-collapsed-amid-acrimony-and-scandalfocuszing723 said:
Norton have been struggling to bring back the brand for a while, It's good to see other British companies triumph!rick_chasey said:0 -
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Re Nissan, is anyone not familiar with how protectionism works?
Here’s the critical bit:The carmaker would keep its Sunderland plant in the UK because if other carmakers that import to Britain face tariffs, Nissan would have a competitive edge.0 -
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What car do you have?rick_chasey said:I mean, I dunno about you, but I don't really like Nissans.
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Some more deets from the article; it was drawn up under Carlos Ghosn....
Not that it means much, but here's the Nissan quote“We deny such a contingency plan exists,” said a spokesman for Nissan Europe. “We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs …We continue to urge UK and EU negotiators to work collaboratively towards an orderly balanced Brexit that will continue to encourage mutually beneficial trade.”
Some more deets on the background.The site is equipped to make up to 600,000 cars a year, but last year output fell by a fifth to 350,000, with 80 per cent of the vehicles exported. Under the scenario of selling only to the UK and growing sales, the plant could reach 400,000.
Its reliance on components imported from Europe — which would face tariffs under a hard Brexit — will also reduce as the brand winds down its use of diesel engines made by Renault. Nissan plans to eliminate the fuel source from its line-up from 2022.
The idea of abandoning the business in mainland Europe underscores how far Nissan’s fortunes have declined in the region, where sales fell 17 per cent to 567,000 vehicles last year and most operations are lossmaking due to a sharp decline in diesel demand.
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I mean Rick, VW aren't exactly covered in glory, lol:)rick_chasey said:1 litre (actually 0.9, but anyway) polo.
I bet their stats said it would do 0-60 in 5 seconds....0 -
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Don't they have a decent share of the electric market?tailwindhome said:
Seems to one of a number of scenarios plannedStevo_666 said:
Here you go:tailwindhome said:Interesting development from Nissan in the FT.
They seem to have a plan to move production to the UK if there are tariffs on cars, essentially gambling they can grab a huge chunk of the UK market share (from 4% to 20%)
Ill try to post a link when I'm on my desktop.
Im sure there's a bit more to it than I've described
https://ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-4442-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c
Potentially a very smart move if true. Wonder what people will make of this?
Macron might have a regret or two
Increasing market share to 20 % seems an ambitious planning assumption.
That a lot of Micras0 -
They do but it is a rather small portion of the pie.TheBigBean said:
Don't they have a decent share of the electric market?tailwindhome said:
Seems to one of a number of scenarios plannedStevo_666 said:
Here you go:tailwindhome said:Interesting development from Nissan in the FT.
They seem to have a plan to move production to the UK if there are tariffs on cars, essentially gambling they can grab a huge chunk of the UK market share (from 4% to 20%)
Ill try to post a link when I'm on my desktop.
Im sure there's a bit more to it than I've described
https://ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-4442-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c
Potentially a very smart move if true. Wonder what people will make of this?
Macron might have a regret or two
Increasing market share to 20 % seems an ambitious planning assumption.
That a lot of Micras
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_the_United_Kingdom#2018
The entire market is 10x smaller than what their one factory is geared up to produce.0 -
I expect that to change. Market size that is.rick_chasey said:
They do but it is a rather small portion of the pie.TheBigBean said:
Don't they have a decent share of the electric market?tailwindhome said:
Seems to one of a number of scenarios plannedStevo_666 said:
Here you go:tailwindhome said:Interesting development from Nissan in the FT.
They seem to have a plan to move production to the UK if there are tariffs on cars, essentially gambling they can grab a huge chunk of the UK market share (from 4% to 20%)
Ill try to post a link when I'm on my desktop.
Im sure there's a bit more to it than I've described
https://ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-4442-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c
Potentially a very smart move if true. Wonder what people will make of this?
Macron might have a regret or two
Increasing market share to 20 % seems an ambitious planning assumption.
That a lot of Micras
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_the_United_Kingdom#2018
The entire market is 10x smaller than what their one factory is geared up to produce.0 -
Glad to see the front page of the telegraph is still banging on about, what is essentially, deal or no deal.
Brexit done, ja?0 -
It's the only logical way to go post Brexit; self sufficient. Make your own cars and foreign cars will revert to being relatively very expensive. As long as you don't mind Nissans, you'll be fine. But I guess a lot of people, Leavers included, like their EU made cars.rick_chasey said:I mean, I dunno about you, but I don't really like Nissans.
Faster than a tent.......0 -
Raab was out yesterday saying that we can diverge from the EU and not have any checks. And that if there are, it will be the EU that has changed its position.rick_chasey said:Glad to see the front page of the telegraph is still banging on about, what is essentially, deal or no deal.
Brexit done, ja?0 -
What, you mean all those headlines about how those European regulations (that no Brexiter has ever been able to give a single example of) were ruining our lives weren't true?Stevo_666 said:
Or maybe that after all the whingeing and apocalyptic predictions, most of us probably won't notice anything meterially different in our daily lives?
And that taking back control won't make any difference at all?
Apart from obviously that we'll be happy to blame ourselves for any shitness in our lives because we'll have taken back control so no-one else at all to blame.
Faster than a tent.......0 -
Raab's a moron.kingstongraham said:
Raab was out yesterday saying that we can diverge from the EU and not have any checks. And that if there are, it will be the EU that has changed its position.rick_chasey said:Glad to see the front page of the telegraph is still banging on about, what is essentially, deal or no deal.
Brexit done, ja?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I can't work out the beginning of his career with how thick he sounds when he talks as a politician.kingstongraham said:
Raab was out yesterday saying that we can diverge from the EU and not have any checks. And that if there are, it will be the EU that has changed its position.rick_chasey said:Glad to see the front page of the telegraph is still banging on about, what is essentially, deal or no deal.
Brexit done, ja?
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tailwindhome said:
Raab's a moron.kingstongraham said:
Raab was out yesterday saying that we can diverge from the EU and not have any checks. And that if there are, it will be the EU that has changed its position.rick_chasey said:Glad to see the front page of the telegraph is still banging on about, what is essentially, deal or no deal.
Brexit done, ja?
He's just making stuff up, with no logical basis, like the PM. Maybe they think this makes them sound like they really mean business in the forthcoming negotiations, rather than just making them sound thick.0 -
I mean I don't think it will be as bad for us as many have said it will be. Its a wider issue than just laws and regs.rolf_f said:
What, you mean all those headlines about how those European regulations (that no Brexiter has ever been able to give a single example of) were ruining our lives weren't true?Stevo_666 said:
Or maybe that after all the whingeing and apocalyptic predictions, most of us probably won't notice anything meterially different in our daily lives?
And that taking back control won't make any difference at all?
Apart from obviously that we'll be happy to blame ourselves for any shitness in our lives because we'll have taken back control so no-one else at all to blame.
BTW I posted my issues with EU regs a few pages upthread, probably while you were in exile. I'll see if I can find it. On the other hand, why do you think it s a good thing to give away control?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'd be quite happy with a Nissan GTR...focuszing723 said:
I mean Rick, VW aren't exactly covered in glory, lol:)rick_chasey said:1 litre (actually 0.9, but anyway) polo.
I bet their stats said it would do 0-60 in 5 seconds...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It will have to if car makers want to achieve EU emissions targets and avoid billions in fines.TheBigBean said:
I expect that to change. Market size that is.rick_chasey said:
They do but it is a rather small portion of the pie.TheBigBean said:
Don't they have a decent share of the electric market?tailwindhome said:
Seems to one of a number of scenarios plannedStevo_666 said:
Here you go:tailwindhome said:Interesting development from Nissan in the FT.
They seem to have a plan to move production to the UK if there are tariffs on cars, essentially gambling they can grab a huge chunk of the UK market share (from 4% to 20%)
Ill try to post a link when I'm on my desktop.
Im sure there's a bit more to it than I've described
https://ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-4442-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c
Potentially a very smart move if true. Wonder what people will make of this?
Macron might have a regret or two
Increasing market share to 20 % seems an ambitious planning assumption.
That a lot of Micras
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_the_United_Kingdom#2018
The entire market is 10x smaller than what their one factory is geared up to produce."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The same reason control is given away in any treaty. Some things are better done at a supranational level. Others are better at a local level. Harmonisation of standards is one of the former as is responding to things like migration and climate change. The EU has not been great at either, but imagine the utter chaos if 27 nations were all trying to manage migration in ways that purely suited them.Stevo_666 said:
I posted my issues with EU regs a few pages upthread, probably while you were in exile. I'll see if I can find it.rolf_f said:
What, you mean all those headlines about how those European regulations (that no Brexiter has ever been able to give a single example of) were ruining our lives weren't true?Stevo_666 said:
Or maybe that after all the whingeing and apocalyptic predictions, most of us probably won't notice anything meterially different in our daily lives?
And that taking back control won't make any difference at all?
Apart from obviously that we'll be happy to blame ourselves for any shitness in our lives because we'll have taken back control so no-one else at all to blame.
On the other hand, why do you think it s a good thing to give away control?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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My kid has one. I think you mean minutes rather than secondsfocuszing723 said:
I mean Rick, VW aren't exactly covered in glory, lol:)rick_chasey said:1 litre (actually 0.9, but anyway) polo.
I bet their stats said it would do 0-60 in 5 seconds.... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
