BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Will it Still be OK to have echelon alerts in pro-race?0
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Surrey Commuter wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
The UK considered there was an advantage to reciprocal arrangements with European countries. That's not bigotry.
And now we have decided there is no advantage to reciprocal arrangements on freedom of movement of labour, goods, services and capital.
Madness. If only there hadn't been a tory party conference.0 -
Absolutely - still nobody has addressed Ballys point. Shall I restate the point again for the hard of thinking? Or will you just ATFQ?Lookyhere wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
Diversion Alert!"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Why is withholding entry from a person from say Africa is regarded as being acceptable but to potentially bar a person from Europe considered bigotry?
OK, I'll have a go at answering this one. First of all, the two cases aren't comparable. If we opened the door to anyone coming in from Africa and Asia, we'd probably end up with hundreds of millions of people coming into the EU.
Secondly, the discussion about migration before the referendum wasn't about migration from Africa, it was about migration from Europe, and it now looks like we are going to be leaving the single market - and there will be serious consequences to this decision - in order to have controlled migration.
Thirdly, I've got very mixed feelings about the imposition of a points-based system for migration from Africa or Asia. Basically, it means that we get to skim off their best workers (at least the ones who come here legally), and there are some indications that this system is seeing Africa at least lose large numbers of its most vital workers to the detriment of the continent's economy. As someone who has lived in 5 countries myself, I'm instinctively opposed to the idea of denying other people the right to move abroad to try and find a better life, but I do find myself questioning my old values and wondering whether it would not be in Africa's best interests to try and limit their migration to the West (coupled with technical assistance, etc. to help with their development). Although the brain drain is a problem for the likes of Poland, the issue isn't a life-and-death one, as it is when Africa loses doctors, engineers, etc.
So I would say that there are some very big differences between the 2 cases, and Africa-->Europe migration is potentially a far bigger problem than C/E.Europe-->W.Europe migration from the point of view of both sending and receiving countries.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:orraloon wrote:
Shall I get his contact details for you so you can tell him yourself? :?TheBigBean wrote:orraloon wrote:Listened to Farming Today this morning on BBC R4. Interviewed a Norfolk asparagus farmer who employs 100 seasonal workers mainly E European, native born Brits don't want the jobs; in our Brave New World how does he get his workers? No workers, no business. Will we revert to a pre EU Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, will it be 6 months work permits, will it be longer as climate change is extending the cropping season? Naturally bloke is keen to understand how he can run his business.
Pay less for the land and pay workers more.
It was a serious point. Provided the land rental price can be above zero it is just a transfer of money from the landowner to the workers thus reducing the wealth inequality. The farmer sits in middle taking the same cut as before.
Brexit in a nutshell for some. (The landowner stereotypically will have voted Remain and the workers will have voted to leave).
There is a point that the farmer should be paying proper work and providing proper conditions for his workers. Legislating on that has nothing to do with the EU mind but....
If you re interested a recent episode of R4s Analysis had a good program about the changes in the UK political system which would cover botht his thread and the Corbyn one and is worth a listen whilst youre walking the dog or on the turbo etc...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Fox says EU migrants are one of our key bargaining chips.
"So, EU if you don't do as we want we'll send back all the talented people who help fund our economy and NHS, and we'll have all those retired ex-pats back from Spain. That'll teach you EU!"
Not sure he's really thought this one through properly. Which is a surprise and a half.0 -
OK, I'll have a go at answering this one. First of all, the two cases aren't comparable. If we opened the door to anyone coming in from Africa and Asia, we'd probably end up with hundreds of millions of people coming into the EU.
But that is the opposite of what is being suggested isn't it?
No-one is suggesting that post Brexit we have open borders. It ids envisaged that people from around the world are given equal access to the UK based on merit and some sort of control exercised.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:OK, I'll have a go at answering this one. First of all, the two cases aren't comparable. If we opened the door to anyone coming in from Africa and Asia, we'd probably end up with hundreds of millions of people coming into the EU.
But that is the opposite of what is being suggested isn't it?
No-one is suggesting that post Brexit we have open borders. It ids envisaged that people from around the world are given equal access to the UK based on merit and some sort of control exercised.
And like I said much of the ignorant leave support was reducing all immigration, not replacing Poles with Indians.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
You think he was being serious?
How can anybody begin to answer a question based upon the hypothesis that there are people out there who voted out so we could up the number of immigrants from non EU countries. But if such a person existed and they were not specifying English speaking white christians then they would be a paragon of virtue. I would have course accuse them of being bigoted against Europeans
Net immigration is approx 350,000 per year with a pledge to get it below 100,000. Roughly half are from the EU so it will still mean cutting non-EU migration by 100,000+
If 75,000 bankers leave with their families then it would help the net migration number.
Don't recall posting any such thing :?
I asked why is it considered bigotry to treat all foreign nationals the same when it comes to immigration?0 -
I'm totally lost.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:OK, I'll have a go at answering this one. First of all, the two cases aren't comparable. If we opened the door to anyone coming in from Africa and Asia, we'd probably end up with hundreds of millions of people coming into the EU.
But that is the opposite of what is being suggested isn't it?
No-one is suggesting that post Brexit we have open borders. It ids envisaged that people from around the world are given equal access to the UK based on merit and some sort of control exercised.
And like I said much of the ignorant leave support was reducing all immigration, not replacing Poles with Indians.I don't care who comes here. At the end of the day everyone is a human being
Remember posting that, Joel? Fair enough, you did exclude Trump supporters.
I doubt you mean it to be inferred that Europeans are more human being than the rest of the world...0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:OK, I'll have a go at answering this one. First of all, the two cases aren't comparable. If we opened the door to anyone coming in from Africa and Asia, we'd probably end up with hundreds of millions of people coming into the EU.
But that is the opposite of what is being suggested isn't it?
No-one is suggesting that post Brexit we have open borders. It ids envisaged that people from around the world are given equal access to the UK based on merit and some sort of control exercised.
And like I said much of the ignorant leave support was reducing all immigration, not replacing Poles with Indians.I don't care who comes here. At the end of the day everyone is a human being
Remember posting that, Joel? Fair enough, you did exclude Trump supporters.
I doubt you mean it to be inferred that Europeans are more human being than the rest of the world...
Yes I don't care. But Leave voters do. I have no issue with immigration at its current level or increasing.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
You think he was being serious?
How can anybody begin to answer a question based upon the hypothesis that there are people out there who voted out so we could up the number of immigrants from non EU countries. But if such a person existed and they were not specifying English speaking white christians then they would be a paragon of virtue. I would have course accuse them of being bigoted against Europeans
Net immigration is approx 350,000 per year with a pledge to get it below 100,000. Roughly half are from the EU so it will still mean cutting non-EU migration by 100,000+
If 75,000 bankers leave with their families then it would help the net migration number.
Don't recall posting any such thing :?
I asked why is it considered bigotry to treat all foreign nationals the same when it comes to immigration?
Pragmatism. Out voters were prepared to damage the economy to stop EU immigration.0 -
So Joel, you are advocating total global free movement. No frontiers?0
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I live in a very Asian part of London, Tooting. If I'd minded about other races then I wouldn't have bought a property here.0
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Ballysmate wrote:So Joel, you are advocating total global free movement. No frontiers?
No. Clearly it would be foolhardy to let in a million retired people.0 -
Pinno wrote:I'm totally lost.
In voters are the true bigots as they prefer EU migrants to non EU migrants. Out voters oppose all migrants so are not bigoted.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
You think he was being serious?
How can anybody begin to answer a question based upon the hypothesis that there are people out there who voted out so we could up the number of immigrants from non EU countries. But if such a person existed and they were not specifying English speaking white christians then they would be a paragon of virtue. I would have course accuse them of being bigoted against Europeans
Net immigration is approx 350,000 per year with a pledge to get it below 100,000. Roughly half are from the EU so it will still mean cutting non-EU migration by 100,000+
If 75,000 bankers leave with their families then it would help the net migration number.
Don't recall posting any such thing :?
I asked why is it considered bigotry to treat all foreign nationals the same when it comes to immigration?
Pragmatism. Out voters were prepared to damage the economy to stop EU immigration.
Some out voters did think it a price worth paying. No doubt about that. To them immigration control was their uppermost concern.
As to the extent of the damage? Time will tell and not just months but years. You never know, the Brexiters may be right. Long term, the UK could boom. The doom merchants may be proved right and we will be hit hard. My guess is that the situation will be somewhere in the middle.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Pinno wrote:I'm totally lost.
In voters are the true bigots as they prefer EU migrants to non EU migrants. Out voters oppose all migrants so are not bigoted.
A good précis.
Or maybe that should be summary in this day and age.
Basically it's the Tory boys on here trying to justify their party's disgusting and damaging behaviour.0 -
Didn't say that either did I?Surrey Commuter wrote:Pinno wrote:I'm totally lost.
In voters are the true bigots as they prefer EU migrants to non EU migrants. Out voters oppose all migrants so are not bigoted.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
You think he was being serious?
How can anybody begin to answer a question based upon the hypothesis that there are people out there who voted out so we could up the number of immigrants from non EU countries. But if such a person existed and they were not specifying English speaking white christians then they would be a paragon of virtue. I would have course accuse them of being bigoted against Europeans
Net immigration is approx 350,000 per year with a pledge to get it below 100,000. Roughly half are from the EU so it will still mean cutting non-EU migration by 100,000+
If 75,000 bankers leave with their families then it would help the net migration number.
Don't recall posting any such thing :?
I asked why is it considered bigotry to treat all foreign nationals the same when it comes to immigration?
Pragmatism. Out voters were prepared to damage the economy to stop EU immigration.
Some out voters did think it a price worth paying. No doubt about that. To them immigration control was their uppermost concern.
As to the extent of the damage? Time will tell and not just months but years. You never know, the Brexiters may be right. Long term, the UK could boom. The doom merchants may be proved right and we will be hit hard. My guess is that the situation will be somewhere in the middle.
Anyone can see that we will be hit very hard. It's blindingly obvious.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
You think he was being serious?
How can anybody begin to answer a question based upon the hypothesis that there are people out there who voted out so we could up the number of immigrants from non EU countries. But if such a person existed and they were not specifying English speaking white christians then they would be a paragon of virtue. I would have course accuse them of being bigoted against Europeans
Net immigration is approx 350,000 per year with a pledge to get it below 100,000. Roughly half are from the EU so it will still mean cutting non-EU migration by 100,000+
If 75,000 bankers leave with their families then it would help the net migration number.
Don't recall posting any such thing :?
I asked why is it considered bigotry to treat all foreign nationals the same when it comes to immigration?
Pragmatism. Out voters were prepared to damage the economy to stop EU immigration.
Some out voters did think it a price worth paying. No doubt about that. To them immigration control was their uppermost concern.
As to the extent of the damage? Time will tell and not just months but years. You never know, the Brexiters may be right. Long term, the UK could boom. The doom merchants may be proved right and we will be hit hard. My guess is that the situation will be somewhere in the middle.
Anyone can see that we will be hit very hard. It's blindingly obvious.
5, 10 or 15 years down the road, you can see that far?
This vote wasn't just about how many Euros you will get this summer for your trip to Benidorm. It was about the long term.
I am honest enough to say that I don't know how it will turn out.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:OK, I'll have a go at answering this one. First of all, the two cases aren't comparable. If we opened the door to anyone coming in from Africa and Asia, we'd probably end up with hundreds of millions of people coming into the EU.
But that is the opposite of what is being suggested isn't it?
No-one is suggesting that post Brexit we have open borders. It ids envisaged that people from around the world are given equal access to the UK based on merit and some sort of control exercised.
I'm just saying that the two cases aren't really comparable.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:
Didn't say that either did I?Surrey Commuter wrote:Pinno wrote:I'm totally lost.
In voters are the true bigots as they prefer EU migrants to non EU migrants. Out voters oppose all migrants so are not bigoted.
I still do not believe you are being serious...so replied in a similar manner. Maybe throw in some more bait?0 -
Nothing new there.Pinno wrote:I'm totally lost.
Be consoled by the fact that there are a few with you. The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
You think he was being serious?
How can anybody begin to answer a question based upon the hypothesis that there are people out there who voted out so we could up the number of immigrants from non EU countries. But if such a person existed and they were not specifying English speaking white christians then they would be a paragon of virtue. I would have course accuse them of being bigoted against Europeans
Net immigration is approx 350,000 per year with a pledge to get it below 100,000. Roughly half are from the EU so it will still mean cutting non-EU migration by 100,000+
If 75,000 bankers leave with their families then it would help the net migration number.
Don't recall posting any such thing :?
I asked why is it considered bigotry to treat all foreign nationals the same when it comes to immigration?
Pragmatism. Out voters were prepared to damage the economy to stop EU immigration.
Some out voters did think it a price worth paying. No doubt about that. To them immigration control was their uppermost concern.
As to the extent of the damage? Time will tell and not just months but years. You never know, the Brexiters may be right. Long term, the UK could boom. The doom merchants may be proved right and we will be hit hard. My guess is that the situation will be somewhere in the middle.
Anyone can see that we will be hit very hard. It's blindingly obvious.
5, 10 or 15 years down the road, you can see that far?
This vote wasn't just about how many Euros you will get this summer for your trip to Benidorm. It was about the long term.
I am honest enough to say that I don't know how it will turn out.
The Brexit camp said that there would be a short term hit but we should be back to where would have been by 2030. There are very few people on either side who think the "hit" will be shorter than that. That could even be considered the best case scenario.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Pinno wrote:I'm totally lost.
In voters are the true bigots as they prefer EU migrants to non EU migrants. Out voters oppose all migrants so are not bigoted.
A good précis.
Or maybe that should be summary in this day and age.
Basically it's the Tory boys on here trying to justify their party's disgusting and damaging behaviour.
If you mean me, not at all.
You referred earlier to The Conservative UKIP party. Don't forget that millions of Labour voters voted OUT. As has been stated before TM was a remainer and has been given the task of trying to honour the referendum result. How is that disgusting?0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:
Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me
You think he was being serious?
How can anybody begin to answer a question based upon the hypothesis that there are people out there who voted out so we could up the number of immigrants from non EU countries. But if such a person existed and they were not specifying English speaking white christians then they would be a paragon of virtue. I would have course accuse them of being bigoted against Europeans
Net immigration is approx 350,000 per year with a pledge to get it below 100,000. Roughly half are from the EU so it will still mean cutting non-EU migration by 100,000+
If 75,000 bankers leave with their families then it would help the net migration number.
Don't recall posting any such thing :?
I asked why is it considered bigotry to treat all foreign nationals the same when it comes to immigration?
Pragmatism. Out voters were prepared to damage the economy to stop EU immigration.
Some out voters did think it a price worth paying. No doubt about that. To them immigration control was their uppermost concern.
As to the extent of the damage? Time will tell and not just months but years. You never know, the Brexiters may be right. Long term, the UK could boom. The doom merchants may be proved right and we will be hit hard. My guess is that the situation will be somewhere in the middle.
Anyone can see that we will be hit very hard. It's blindingly obvious.
5, 10 or 15 years down the road, you can see that far?
This vote wasn't just about how many Euros you will get this summer for your trip to Benidorm. It was about the long term.
I am honest enough to say that I don't know how it will turn out.
The Brexit camp said that there would be a short term hit but we should be back to where would have been by 2030. There are very few people on either side who think the "hit" will be shorter than that. That could even be considered the best case scenario.
You may well be right. As I said, I am honest enough to admit that I don't know. One of the reasons I voted remain.0 -
Our housing policy has been broke ever since Mrs T started allowing councils to sell off their houses, she removed the Rent Authority and wanted everybody to be house owners. In fact it was she who opposed Denis Healey's and the then Labour government's attempt to limit mortgages to 3 times annual salary in 1976. It has been worsened and never fully tackled by every single bloody political party since. So don't get on the Mrs T was great bandwagon because I am acknowledging the fact that no administration since has tackled the issue properly so the inception of the housing crises is immaterial to the following. We have a problem and it is significant enough to consider how we take in the extra numbers - from wherever.
In the south East, I know of building contractors who are building social housing but waiting 6 months and even longer whilst the equity goes up by another 6% before selling ad infinitum. But that's by the by, as they say up North.
So what's this got to do with immigration? It's yet another pressure on yet another local council who are struggling to deliver social services on top of cuts to these departments in an era of continuing financial post brexit uncertainty coupled with austerity. So on top of a crises in Housing right across the UK, we are somehow going to accept a net 300,000 people per annum for the foreseeable? It's unsustainable.
At first glance, one could assume that I was a Brexiteer but that I am not. It is beyond doubt in my mind that the most stupid decision this country has ever taken in the last 50 years was to give the xenophobes a platform to cast a vote and to be lead by the Brexit bias press.
But and this is a big but, we do need to stem the tide and this is an opportunity to do so. I would go so far as to say we should prioritise those from war torn areas like Syria. After all, the situation there is compounded by the politicians sitting on their hands and our naivety in thinking that going into Iraq and Afghanistan was a good idea. The problem in Syria is partly of our own making and we cannot simply shut the doors to these people - it's shameful.
If we cannot afford these people safe and smooth integration and in the process cause more problems by stretching social services, the NHS and housing authorities and the social services to the max, then we are setting up future problems for ourselves and we are not doing the immigrants any favours by letting them be on the receiving end end of mis-placed aggravation and resentment because ultimately, a lot of departments are at the limit and are struggling to cope.
It's such a complex issue which will not be solved by A) Allowing the status quo to continue and
Shutting the doors and severely limiting intake. God knows what condition the NHS would be in if we removed all foreign nationals. I have no idea how the simple things like picking fruit and veg, cleaning hospitals etc would be carried out because an awful lot of Brits won't do it - it's beneath them.
Getting fixated on the apparent or apparently not bigoted view of separating EU migrants and Non EU migrants takes pedantry to a new level. It's actually irrelevant to this issue. There are a number of people who need to get out of war torn areas to which we have an obligation to assist and we have a need to fill the skills gap because we continue to fail in that department. Our (somewhat) cosseted unemployed have become so disenfranchised, they are not going to do the work spontaneously and fill those gaps just because we close the doors.
Sitting in absolute certainty on one or the other side of the Brexit fence provides no solutions to the problem.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Pinno wrote:I'm totally lost.
In voters are the true bigots as they prefer EU migrants to non EU migrants. Out voters oppose all migrants so are not bigoted.
A good précis.
Or maybe that should be summary in this day and age.
Basically it's the Tory boys on here trying to justify their party's disgusting and damaging behaviour.
If you mean me, not at all.
You referred earlier to The Conservative UKIP party. Don't forget that millions of Labour voters voted OUT. As has been stated before TM was a remainer and has been given the task of trying to honour the referendum result. How is that disgusting?
62% of Labour voters were for remain, 37% of Tories for remain.
The leavers were the rich and the incredibly poor on the whole. And the ignorant.0
