BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

1…134135137139140…2110

Comments

  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,327
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    That was soooo last year. :roll:

    Well what do you expect from a dickhead?

    viewtopic.php?p=19977943#p19977944

    Cut to the quick, I was. :roll:

    Yep, when I think 'Bally' - I think 'Tree Hugger'.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Pinno wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    That was soooo last year. :roll:

    Well what do you expect from a dickhead?

    viewtopic.php?p=19977943#p19977944

    Cut to the quick, I was. :roll:

    Yep, when I think 'Bally' - I think 'Tree Hugger'.

    Don't forget sandal wearer.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,327
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    That was soooo last year. :roll:

    Well what do you expect from a dickhead?

    viewtopic.php?p=19977943#p19977944

    Cut to the quick, I was. :roll:

    Yep, when I think 'Bally' - I think 'Tree Hugger'.

    Don't forget sandal wearer.

    Can you fit cleats to espadrilles?
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    I assumed it was a joke. Y'know, in light of the police admitting there was a big spike in racially motivated attacks post Brexit.

    In the fortnight after Brexir I had some skinhead tw@t tell me to "go home" etc when I was speaking Dutch to my mother in the street.

    There's proving a point on here, and there's being a sh!tbag. You ought not to sail so close to sh!tbag.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?
    Its unconscious bigotry Bally as someone pointed out earlier. See above - completely lost on some people. Others probably have twigged but have no answer :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Every time a Tory opens their mouth at their conference the pound sinks.

    Ffs, shuttup or start being less delusional.,
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    I assumed it was a joke. Y'know, in light of the police admitting there was a big spike in racially motivated attacks post Brexit.

    In the fortnight after Brexir I had some skinhead tw@t tell me to "go home" etc when I was speaking Dutch to my mother in the street.

    There's proving a point on here, and there's being a sh!tbag. You ought not to sail so close to sh!tbag.

    First off. I deplore the behaviour suffered by you and your mother, but I would hope you would know that.

    My earlier posted 'question' was aimed at those that lazily assume that everyone that voted Brexit is a bigot and in the hope that they would look at their position. You are correct in assuming that I don't think of us that voted remain to all be bigots. Neither do I think that the 17m who voted Brexit are all bigots.
    So as you are such an educated cosmopolitan man and I am close to being, or may already be, a sh1tbag, tell me how giving preferential access to the people of 27 countries whilst discriminating against peoples from the rest of the world should not be thought of as a form of bigotry?
    If your answer is that we in the EU are all one entity, an homogeneous people with no national identity, I would suggest that would be a prime motive for 17m people voting to leave. We are 28 nations who all have a national identity. The French even actively discourage Anglicised words and phrases creeping into their language.

    With your penchant for name calling and dislike of Tories, perhaps you were at the recent Birmingham rally.
    3905C13600000578-0-image-a-2_1475412105639.jpg

    3905E13D00000578-3818281-image-m-24_1475414675307.jpg

    Did you colour in your placard yourself?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    I assumed it was a joke. Y'know, in light of the police admitting there was a big spike in racially motivated attacks post Brexit.

    In the fortnight after Brexir I had some skinhead tw@t tell me to "go home" etc when I was speaking Dutch to my mother in the street.

    There's proving a point on here, and there's being a sh!tbag. You ought not to sail so close to sh!tbag.

    First off. I deplore the behaviour suffered by you and your mother, but I would hope you would know that.

    tell me how giving preferential access to the people of 27 countries whilst discriminating against peoples from the rest of the world should not be thought of as a form of bigotry?
    Look upon bigotry as a spectrum - once you accept that everybody (even Rick) is bigoted it becomes less of a prejorative term. In answer to your question somebody who truly embraces immigrants from all over the world (Merkel) is less of a bigot than somebody who embraces all EU immigrants (me) who is less of a bigot than somebody who opposes all immigration (Farage). Be aware that bigotry takes many forms - can you be bigoted against bigots?
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Every time a Tory opens their mouth at their conference the pound sinks.

    Ffs, shuttup or start being less delusional.,

    I'm with you on this. Having always been a floating voter (voted for Cameron the first time as it happens), I've now reached the point that I despise them and everything they stand for. I'll never vote Tory again. Bunch of cnuts.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Look upon bigotry as a spectrum - once you accept that everybody (even Rick) is bigoted it becomes less of a prejorative term. In answer to your question somebody who truly embraces immigrants from all over the world (Merkel) is less of a bigot than somebody who embraces all EU immigrants (me) who is less of a bigot than somebody who opposes all immigration (Farage). Be aware that bigotry takes many forms - can you be bigoted against bigots?

    Looking at it as a spectrum is something lots of people do in order to justify their own positions. Saying "I only dislike X group which is ok because someone else dislikes both X and Y group" is basically failing to accept your own prejudices are wrong. Much in the same way that good white church going christians in southern US could still consider themselves good people even though they banned blacks from the church.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Ahh I see now. I think I get it. We Remainers get to consider Brexiters as being bigots because their bigotry takes a different form to ours.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Ahh I see now. I think I get it. We Remainers get to consider Brexiters as being bigots because their bigotry takes a different form to ours.

    I would argue more bigoted than us on the subject of immigration but yes we may well be more bigoted than them on other matters. You should of course be careful assigning common characteristics to 17 million people.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Look upon bigotry as a spectrum - once you accept that everybody (even Rick) is bigoted it becomes less of a prejorative term. In answer to your question somebody who truly embraces immigrants from all over the world (Merkel) is less of a bigot than somebody who embraces all EU immigrants (me) who is less of a bigot than somebody who opposes all immigration (Farage). Be aware that bigotry takes many forms - can you be bigoted against bigots?

    Looking at it as a spectrum is something lots of people do in order to justify their own positions. Saying "I only dislike X group which is ok because someone else dislikes both X and Y group" is basically failing to accept your own prejudices are wrong. Much in the same way that good white church going christians in southern US could still consider themselves good people even though they banned blacks from the church.

    I would see it more as an acceptance than justification.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    I assumed it was a joke. Y'know, in light of the police admitting there was a big spike in racially motivated attacks post Brexit.

    In the fortnight after Brexir I had some skinhead tw@t tell me to "go home" etc when I was speaking Dutch to my mother in the street.

    There's proving a point on here, and there's being a sh!tbag. You ought not to sail so close to sh!tbag.

    First off. I deplore the behaviour suffered by you and your mother, but I would hope you would know that.

    My earlier posted 'question' was aimed at those that lazily assume that everyone that voted Brexit is a bigot and in the hope that they would look at their position. You are correct in assuming that I don't think of us that voted remain to all be bigots. Neither do I think that the 17m who voted Brexit are all bigots.
    So as you are such an educated cosmopolitan man and I am close to being, or may already be, a sh1tbag, tell me how giving preferential access to the people of 27 countries whilst discriminating against peoples from the rest of the world should not be thought of as a form of bigotry?
    If your answer is that we in the EU are all one entity, an homogeneous people with no national identity, I would suggest that would be a prime motive for 17m people voting to leave. We are 28 nations who all have a national identity. The French even actively discourage Anglicised words and phrases creeping into their language.

    Did you colour in your placard yourself?

    I see your post as a way to deflect the fact that all the racist elements sided with the Brexit side of the vote.

    There’s only one side that had racist and far right parties attached to it, and it is the Brexit side.

    Your argument misses the point of what’s really going on, and I feel that that argument is deliberate to put the focus away from what’s going on. I find that shitbag behaviour.

    I refuse to believe the vast majority of the Brexiters didn’t know that they also sided with the far right. It was rammed down everyone’s throats. To vote Brexit is to think that is a trivial or a non-issue.

    I find that offensive. It’s easy for white Brits in Britain to ignore it, it isn’t for those who aren’t (or are accused of being not, in my case). I have a polish couple coming to my wedding. You should hear their stories. Horrendous. Another attendee is German and he’s now moving back because he’s fed up with the grief; he quit last week and is heading to Berlin.

    So to cast Remainers as some kind of bigot is to deflect the argument away from that. That’s sh!t behaviour in my book.

    Next you’ll be walking into gay bars, getting chucked out, and moaning that straight people can’t have a drink in a bar and voice their opinion on homosexuality.
    _
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    The Tories appear to have turned into UKIP.

    What a disgusting shower of sh*te they are.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    I assumed it was a joke. Y'know, in light of the police admitting there was a big spike in racially motivated attacks post Brexit.

    In the fortnight after Brexir I had some skinhead tw@t tell me to "go home" etc when I was speaking Dutch to my mother in the street.

    There's proving a point on here, and there's being a sh!tbag. You ought not to sail so close to sh!tbag.

    First off. I deplore the behaviour suffered by you and your mother, but I would hope you would know that.

    My earlier posted 'question' was aimed at those that lazily assume that everyone that voted Brexit is a bigot and in the hope that they would look at their position. You are correct in assuming that I don't think of us that voted remain to all be bigots. Neither do I think that the 17m who voted Brexit are all bigots.
    So as you are such an educated cosmopolitan man and I am close to being, or may already be, a sh1tbag, tell me how giving preferential access to the people of 27 countries whilst discriminating against peoples from the rest of the world should not be thought of as a form of bigotry?
    If your answer is that we in the EU are all one entity, an homogeneous people with no national identity, I would suggest that would be a prime motive for 17m people voting to leave. We are 28 nations who all have a national identity. The French even actively discourage Anglicised words and phrases creeping into their language.

    Did you colour in your placard yourself?

    I see your post as a way to deflect the fact that all the racist elements sided with the Brexit side of the vote.

    There’s only one side that had racist and far right parties attached to it, and it is the Brexit side.

    Your argument misses the point of what’s really going on, and I feel that that argument is deliberate to put the focus away from what’s going on. I find that shitbag behaviour.

    I refuse to believe the vast majority of the Brexiters didn’t know that they also sided with the far right. It was rammed down everyone’s throats. To vote Brexit is to think that is a trivial or a non-issue.

    I find that offensive. It’s easy for white Brits in Britain to ignore it, it isn’t for those who aren’t (or are accused of being not, in my case). I have a polish couple coming to my wedding. You should hear their stories. Horrendous. Another attendee is German and he’s now moving back because he’s fed up with the grief; he quit last week and is heading to Berlin.

    So to cast Remainers as some kind of bigot is to deflect the argument away from that. That’s sh!t behaviour in my book.

    Next you’ll be walking into gay bars, getting chucked out, and moaning that straight people can’t have a drink in a bar and voice their opinion on homosexuality.

    Rick, as I said my initial post was because of the lazy way that some Remainers automatically cast all Brexiters as bigots.
    Yes racist elements associated themselves with the out campaign but that doesn't make 17m racists does it? You think that the vast majority sided with the far right. Rick, it was a binary question. IN or OUT. There were people from across the political spectrum voting OUT for a myriad of reasons. I am surprised that a person of your professed intelligence hadn't grasped that. 17m people voted OUT in spite of the far right voting that way not because of it.
    I don't doubt your stories about your European friends. Deplorable, but not necessarily indicative of the views and actions of the 17m. THey are the actions of racist thugs who in all probability have always been racist thugs.
    There have been large European populations in this country for decades, particularly Polish. Large part of the mining workforce were Polish. My dad's best mate down the pit was Lithuanian. A member of the local working mens club was Ukrainian and had fought for the Germans during the war. He was welcomed into the community.
    People have come to this country from all over the world to contribute and I hope that will continue to be the case.
    I wasn't trying to deflect anything. I was asking people to think before labelling people who voted differently to them as all being bigoted.
    Regarding deflection, how is the explanation coming along to the US, Australian and any other nationals visiting this forum as to how the immigration rules that are applicable to them become unfair if they are applied to Europeans?

    I am not casting remainers as anything.
    You are correct in assuming that I don't think of us that voted remain to all be bigots. Neither do I think that the 17m who voted Brexit are all bigots.
    I am just asking people to consider their position before getting into name calling.

    My drinking habits? Whats's that got to do with the price of fish?
    But as you ask about homosexuality, I used to work within a team of 18, which included at least one gay man and a lesbian couple. We used to have grown up conversations. You should try it some day.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,230
    Listened to Farming Today this morning on BBC R4. Interviewed a Norfolk asparagus farmer who employs 100 seasonal workers mainly E European, native born Brits don't want the jobs; in our Brave New World how does he get his workers? No workers, no business. Will we revert to a pre EU Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, will it be 6 months work permits, will it be longer as climate change is extending the cropping season? Naturally bloke is keen to understand how he can run his business.

    Cut to my local MP and now Sec State for DEFRA Andrea 'Vacuous Waste of Space' Leadsom and her conference speech yesterday in Birmingham. Would she show a professional and businesslike approach to tackling the big issues? Would she xxxx. Plenty sloganising, hard facts and info were there none. No answers or even suggestions on the future of our agricultural workforce. Instead she was d1cking on about selling air to China, naan bread to India, really?

    This xxxxwit is a leading Leaver. She could even, gawd 'elp us, have become PM. You might think May is problematic but...

    Even the Daily Wail is unimpressed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... itain.html

    Are all these Leavers now in the positions of power responsible for delivering our 'brighter future' as demonstrably away with the fairies or is it only this one?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    orraloon wrote:
    Listened to Farming Today this morning on BBC R4. Interviewed a Norfolk asparagus farmer who employs 100 seasonal workers mainly E European, native born Brits don't want the jobs; in our Brave New World how does he get his workers? No workers, no business. Will we revert to a pre EU Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, will it be 6 months work permits, will it be longer as climate change is extending the cropping season? Naturally bloke is keen to understand how he can run his business.

    Pay less for the land and pay workers more.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    "UK businesses hiring too many foreigners, says Rudd" https://www.ft.com/content/f1da69d8-8a3 ... ada1d123b1

    Picture of Amber Rudd giving her speech:

    They-Took-Our-Jobs-South-Park.gif
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,230
    TheBigBean wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Listened to Farming Today this morning on BBC R4. Interviewed a Norfolk asparagus farmer who employs 100 seasonal workers mainly E European, native born Brits don't want the jobs; in our Brave New World how does he get his workers? No workers, no business. Will we revert to a pre EU Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, will it be 6 months work permits, will it be longer as climate change is extending the cropping season? Naturally bloke is keen to understand how he can run his business.

    Pay less for the land and pay workers more.
    Shall I get his contact details for you so you can tell him yourself? :?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
    You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).

    Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    orraloon wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Listened to Farming Today this morning on BBC R4. Interviewed a Norfolk asparagus farmer who employs 100 seasonal workers mainly E European, native born Brits don't want the jobs; in our Brave New World how does he get his workers? No workers, no business. Will we revert to a pre EU Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, will it be 6 months work permits, will it be longer as climate change is extending the cropping season? Naturally bloke is keen to understand how he can run his business.

    Pay less for the land and pay workers more.
    Shall I get his contact details for you so you can tell him yourself? :?

    It was a serious point. Provided the land rental price can be above zero it is just a transfer of money from the landowner to the workers thus reducing the wealth inequality. The farmer sits in middle taking the same cut as before.

    Brexit in a nutshell for some. (The landowner stereotypically will have voted Remain and the workers will have voted to leave).
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
    You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).

    Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me :wink:

    The UK considered there was an advantage to reciprocal arrangements with European countries. That's not bigotry.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
    You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).

    Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me :wink:

    Yes, I can see the leavers being rather happy with an influx of people of different colour as well as language. Throw in a bit of Islam too perhaps just to cheer the cnuts up even more. The main issue is immigration, nothing else matters to the majority of leavers. The Conservative UKIP party have made that patently clear at their conference having surveyed the options, of which there is only one - hard Brexit, as written on this thread way before the conference. If leavers had bothered reading anything before they voted they would've seen the situation loud and clear. Alas they didn't bother, too stupid for words.

    What a shocking state humanity is in.
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
    You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).

    Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me :wink:

    Diversion Alert!
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
    You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).

    Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me :wink:

    You think he was being serious?

    How can anybody begin to answer a question based upon the hypothesis that there are people out there who voted out so we could up the number of immigrants from non EU countries. But if such a person existed and they were not specifying English speaking white christians then they would be a paragon of virtue. I would of course accuse them of being bigoted against Europeans :D

    Net immigration is approx 350,000 per year with a pledge to get it below 100,000. Roughly half are from the EU so it will still mean cutting non-EU migration by 100,000+

    If 75,000 bankers leave with their families then it would help the net migration number.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo, no -one has come close to answering the question I posed 2 pages ago. Perhaps everyone is a remainer bigot?

    Try seeing bigotry as a spectrum.
    You could try adrressing Ballys question about how allowing free access to Europeans but not to people from the rest of world is unfair/discriminatory. IMO if you are going to be fair you apply the same criteria to all - either free access to anyone who wants to come (as currently applies to people in the EU) or some form of points based system for everyone (as currently applies to the rest of the world outside of the EU).

    Everyone else has gone off into a self righteous huff, which looks like deflection tactics to me :wink:

    The UK considered there was an advantage to reciprocal arrangements with European countries. That's not bigotry.

    And now we have decided there is no advantage to reciprocal arrangements on freedom of movement of labour, goods, services and capital.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    TheBigBean wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Listened to Farming Today this morning on BBC R4. Interviewed a Norfolk asparagus farmer who employs 100 seasonal workers mainly E European, native born Brits don't want the jobs; in our Brave New World how does he get his workers? No workers, no business. Will we revert to a pre EU Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, will it be 6 months work permits, will it be longer as climate change is extending the cropping season? Naturally bloke is keen to understand how he can run his business.

    Pay less for the land and pay workers more.
    Shall I get his contact details for you so you can tell him yourself? :?

    It was a serious point. Provided the land rental price can be above zero it is just a transfer of money from the landowner to the workers thus reducing the wealth inequality. The farmer sits in middle taking the same cut as before.

    Brexit in a nutshell for some. (The landowner stereotypically will have voted Remain and the workers will have voted to leave).

    The stereotypical landowner was a fervent outer. Bizarrely the biggest beneficiaries were the biggest outers. In fairness to the landowners you can see why they would expect their chums in the Tory party to see them right.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Jeremy Hunt is planning to make doctors work a 9 day week to make up for the shortfall.

Categories