BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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We know that isn't the choice, but do you disagree?Surrey Commuter wrote:This forum has it's own version of Godwin's Law. No matter what we are discussing somebody will always state that it would be much worse under Corbyn.
To clarify it is not a choice between Brexit and Corbyn.
Also as has been pointed out above, Labour were hardly the stalwarts of the Remain campaign - so looking to vote for them now to help on this issue is pointless."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
We know that isn't the choice, but do you disagree?Surrey Commuter wrote:This forum has it's own version of Godwin's Law. No matter what we are discussing somebody will always state that it would be much worse under Corbyn.
To clarify it is not a choice between Brexit and Corbyn.
Also as has been pointed out above, Labour were hardly the stalwarts of the Remain campaign - so looking to vote for them now to help on this issue is pointless.
Their only relevance is their irrrelevance - in other words the headbangers in the Tory Party will be emboldened.
You respond to any perceived sleight of the Tory Party by saying Labour were/are/would be worse. I don't define myself by tribal politics so will not join in.0 -
ddraver wrote:Can someone help me with this? it may be a silly question but...
What about the EU was stopping all these Chinese, Brazilian, Indian or other commonwealth companied building factories in our green and pleasant land? Most of the apparently smarter Brexiteers will always pontificate about all these new trade deals we re going to do with them. Forgive me, but I'm struggling to think of any major Brazilian companies desperate to build factories in Sunderland - surely they'd build them in the EU and cut out a potential middle man?
What is it we could offer post Brexit that we couldn't before?
the question you nearly ask is "why do a bunch of people so obsessed with free trade deals want to leave the world's largest trading bloc"?0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:ddraver wrote:Can someone help me with this? it may be a silly question but...
What about the EU was stopping all these Chinese, Brazilian, Indian or other commonwealth companied building factories in our green and pleasant land? Most of the apparently smarter Brexiteers will always pontificate about all these new trade deals we re going to do with them. Forgive me, but I'm struggling to think of any major Brazilian companies desperate to build factories in Sunderland - surely they'd build them in the EU and cut out a potential middle man?
What is it we could offer post Brexit that we couldn't before?
the question you nearly ask is "why do a bunch of people so obsessed with free trade deals want to leave the world's largest trading bloc"?
They're aiming for a trade-free deal.0 -
Not sure about Brazil in the UK but JLR are building a big factory in Brazil at the moment (although they're Indian owned).
Also a JLR factory going in at Pune, India at the moment.0 -
ddraver wrote:soz, who are JLR?
Jaguar Land Rover0 -
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Joelsim wrote:
Scary, prepared to screw the UK economy, to keep her party and the racists happy.0 -
mamba80 wrote:Joelsim wrote:
Scary, prepared to screw the UK economy, to keep her party and the racists happy.
Yup. Could be the beginning of the end for the Conservative Party. Clearly they have/will lose lots of voters who aren't historically averse to them, and the resulting fallout from a shattered economy will ensure plenty of very upset leavers who are expecting everything to be rosy.0 -
You guys know everything that's going to happen, you must be making millions on the markets.0
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NorvernRob wrote:You guys know everything that's going to happen, you must be making millions on the markets.
We just listen to those that do have knowledgeable and expert contributions to make mate. Not difficult.0 -
NorvernRob wrote:You guys know everything that's going to happen, you must be making millions on the markets.
Bearing in mind the skills shortages in this country that are filled by mainly east european workers, from engineers, nhs workers to fruit pickers, to limit and reduce plus send the msg they are not wanted, whilst at the same time, to stop tarrif free trade with the worlds biggest trading block doesnt look like a great move.
Like the UK, our political parties are also split down the middle too.0 -
NorvernRob wrote:You guys know everything that's going to happen, you must be making millions on the markets.
You must be another member of the club who doesn't realise we haven't actually left yet.0 -
mamba80 wrote:Joelsim wrote:
Scary, prepared to screw the UK economy, to keep her party and the racists happy.
I don't get your interpretation - to me she is paddling a canoe in a tsunami.
My interpretation of events is that she has spent a month trawling round the powers that be saying we would like to remain in all but name. "I can fudge the sovereignty and budget contribution issues but I have to call a halt to free movement of labour" She then will have been told that she can not leave and expect to keep the bits she likes.
You are either in a single market or you are not - we have opted out.
To me this is no change and definitely not hard Brexit. That would be invoking tomorrow and leaving as quickly as possible. Those Little Englanders think the EU is farked without us so it is a waste of time doing any deal with them.0 -
Joelsim wrote:mamba80 wrote:Joelsim wrote:
Scary, prepared to screw the UK economy, to keep her party and the racists happy.
Yup. Could be the beginning of the end for the Conservative Party. Clearly they have/will lose lots of voters who aren't historically averse to them, and the resulting fallout from a shattered economy will ensure plenty of very upset leavers who are expecting everything to be rosy.
I appreciate it is a Sunday night and a drink possibly taken but a shattering of the economy is unlikely.
FWIW I would estimate a 1% reduction in the rate of economic growth. Doesn't sound much but remember that Einstein called compound interest the most powerful force in the universe.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Joelsim wrote:mamba80 wrote:Joelsim wrote:
Scary, prepared to screw the UK economy, to keep her party and the racists happy.
Yup. Could be the beginning of the end for the Conservative Party. Clearly they have/will lose lots of voters who aren't historically averse to them, and the resulting fallout from a shattered economy will ensure plenty of very upset leavers who are expecting everything to be rosy.
I appreciate it is a Sunday night and a drink possibly taken but a shattering of the economy is unlikely.
FWIW I would estimate a 1% reduction in the rate of economic growth. Doesn't sound much but remember that Einstein called compound interest the most powerful force in the universe.
You're aware of the speech she made today?
The IMF estimated c. 5% decrease for a hard Brexit.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Joelsim wrote:mamba80 wrote:Joelsim wrote:
Scary, prepared to screw the UK economy, to keep her party and the racists happy.
Yup. Could be the beginning of the end for the Conservative Party. Clearly they have/will lose lots of voters who aren't historically averse to them, and the resulting fallout from a shattered economy will ensure plenty of very upset leavers who are expecting everything to be rosy.
I appreciate it is a Sunday night and a drink possibly taken but a shattering of the economy is unlikely.
FWIW I would estimate a 1% reduction in the rate of economic growth. Doesn't sound much but remember that Einstein called compound interest the most powerful force in the universe.
You're aware of the speech she made today?
The IMF estimated c. 5% decrease for a hard Brexit.
What did the speech change that you did not know yesterday?
5% over what time period?0 -
Joelsim wrote:
I am definitely on the brexit = bad side but that guy has a pretty heavy agenda.
FT's much more balanced on this (but still says we're leaving the single market and as free market liberals they think that's terrible).0 -
verylonglegs wrote:NorvernRob wrote:You guys know everything that's going to happen, you must be making millions on the markets.
You must be another member of the club who doesn't realise we haven't actually left yet.
Nope.0 -
One bill to enshrine EU law into UK law seems quite sensible. Will prevent endless court cases on whether previously enacted EU laws are still valid. From that starting point various laws can be removed.
Otherwise, she seems to be setting the UK up for a hard Brexit to improve its negotiating position with the EU. Presumably with a goal to achieve some sort of trade deal. I would have thought that she needs to clarify the WTO situation, agree some form of roll over of various trade deals with a variety of countries and ensure there are no other legal hurdles. Then she can sit down with EU.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:Joelsim wrote:
I am definitely on the brexit = bad side but that guy has a pretty heavy agenda.
FT's much more balanced on this (but still says we're leaving the single market and as free market liberals they think that's terrible).
Try this from The Economist
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... ard-brexit0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:Joelsim wrote:
I am definitely on the brexit = bad side but that guy has a pretty heavy agenda.
FT's much more balanced on this (but still says we're leaving the single market and as free market liberals they think that's terrible).
Well yes it is.
Britain was the free market force in the EU. It's been an economic force for centuries because of its particularly pragmatic take on trade.
Trade is fundamentally essential for prosperity.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:One bill to enshrine EU law into UK law seems quite sensible. Will prevent endless court cases on whether previously enacted EU laws are still valid. From that starting point various laws can be removed.
Otherwise, she seems to be setting the UK up for a hard Brexit to improve its negotiating position with the EU. Presumably with a goal to achieve some sort of trade deal. I would have thought that she needs to clarify the WTO situation, agree some form of roll over of various trade deals with a variety of countries and ensure there are no other legal hurdles. Then she can sit down with EU.
The more I read about the WTO the more I fear it is the elephant in the room.
Legally we can not negotiate until we are no longer a member of the EU. Article 50 gives all the aces to the EU. I think they will make us a take it or leave it offer.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:ddraver wrote:soz, who are JLR?
Jaguar Land Rover
much obliged, I became a geologist to not have to deal with this stuff..We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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This has the potential to be the biggest f*ck up in UK history, at a time when we already have massive borrowing.
It defies any logic or sense.0 -
Joelsim wrote:This has the potential to be the biggest f*ck up in UK history, at a time when we already have massive borrowing.
It defies any logic or sense.
Why should it make sense? Nationalism and bigotry has never made any sense.0 -
Doug covered Trump and the Brexit mob quite a few years ago in fact. If only I had any idea how prescient it would turn out to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ40 -
ddraver wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:ddraver wrote:soz, who are JLR?
Jaguar Land Rover
much obliged, I became a geologist to not have to deal with this stuff..
Yes, because geology has no acronyms...
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Now I might be being dim here but aren't all EU laws ratified by each member country, and therefore become the law of, said country? Not a sarcastic comment (like before), some beaurocrat must know this?TheBigBean wrote:One bill to enshrine EU law into UK law seems quite sensible. Will prevent endless court cases on whether previously enacted EU laws are still valid. From that starting point various laws can be removed.
Otherwise, she seems to be setting the UK up for a hard Brexit to improve its negotiating position with the EU. Presumably with a goal to achieve some sort of trade deal. I would have thought that she needs to clarify the WTO situation, agree some form of roll over of various trade deals with a variety of countries and ensure there are no other legal hurdles. Then she can sit down with EU.Ecrasez l’infame0
