BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Interesting character this David Allen Green. Who here agrees with his overall views on the EU?narbs wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Looks like it's an admission UK will not be part of single market according to lawyerly types.
To quote David Allen Green, who has been a superb voice of legal knowledge on this, suspect very little of actual legal or constitutional significance will be announced by May tomorrow, regardless of spin.
http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/waiting-for-brexit-a-note-on-contentions-and-biases/
See section toward the end titled 'biases and preconceptions'"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Belter. So you are now saying that not triggering article 50 will cause economic decline. Kind of goes against what you have been saying all along.Joelsim wrote:Let's consider another scenario.
Invoking A50 seems to keep getting pushed back, legal cases aren't going to help this move forwards.
Over the course of time, starting in the next few days, economic results turn sour and get worse and worse.
The govt is forced to shore up the finances in whatever way, tax rises, NHS cuts and so on.
More and more companies and countries show their displeasure.
More and more media starts reports on this foolhardy situation.
The 3 stooges continue to monumentally f*ck-up in speeches.
The Leave crowd start to worry in droves as actually the experts begin to be proven correct. There's nothing like an affect on personal finances to start changing people's views. Hell, 85% reduction in carrier bags since they started costing 5p demonstrates that.
Also if you notice you have already accepted that the UK economic results are really not materially adversely affected because we haven't left yet...
This coming from someone who predicted immediate economic Armageddon approx 2 hours after the referendum result.
I wonder which other predictions you are badly wrong in? You should join Rick in the 'crap forecaster of the decade' competition
Blimey, talk about twisting things to suit your rhetoric.
The whole shambles is damaging, and hugely more so if we leave. The fact that we are already struggling and we haven't left yet or even come up with an idea should illustrate that.
Of you remember, it was thought to be an immediate exit. Alas, no plan, no ideas, no sensible people, nothing.
That's why we are where we are.
Have you seen IDS's plan? High quality, well thought out, visionary, inclusive, in other words just top banana.0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Interesting character this David Allen Green. Who here agrees with his overall views on the EU?narbs wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Looks like it's an admission UK will not be part of single market according to lawyerly types.
To quote David Allen Green, who has been a superb voice of legal knowledge on this, suspect very little of actual legal or constitutional significance will be announced by May tomorrow, regardless of spin.
http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/waiting-for-brexit-a-note-on-contentions-and-biases/
See section toward the end titled 'biases and preconceptions'
You do actually need to follow him, he talks sense (from a legal perspective). Been following since before the ref.0 -
Clearly not. To have a load of f*cktards voting on something else is not a good idea, which is why I said democracy will be the downfall of democracy.PBlakeney wrote:
Given what happened at the last vote, do you think that would be a good idea?Surrey Commuter wrote:PBlakeney wrote:Why are so many so certain that a re-vote would return a "better" result? Not one of the Out voters that I know would change their vote and wonder why we are not out already.
I think most are suggesting a vote on what Brexit should look like.
PS - You'd have to poll the whole of the EU as they kind of get a say in negotiations.0 -
It will be interesting to see how the legal side plays out.Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Interesting character this David Allen Green. Who here agrees with his overall views on the EU?narbs wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Looks like it's an admission UK will not be part of single market according to lawyerly types.
To quote David Allen Green, who has been a superb voice of legal knowledge on this, suspect very little of actual legal or constitutional significance will be announced by May tomorrow, regardless of spin.
http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/waiting-for-brexit-a-note-on-contentions-and-biases/
See section toward the end titled 'biases and preconceptions'
You do actually need to follow him, he talks sense (from a legal perspective). Been following since before the ref.
Going back to my question though, what are you views on his opinions on the EU?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
It will be interesting to see how the legal side plays out.Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Interesting character this David Allen Green. Who here agrees with his overall views on the EU?narbs wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Looks like it's an admission UK will not be part of single market according to lawyerly types.
To quote David Allen Green, who has been a superb voice of legal knowledge on this, suspect very little of actual legal or constitutional significance will be announced by May tomorrow, regardless of spin.
http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/waiting-for-brexit-a-note-on-contentions-and-biases/
See section toward the end titled 'biases and preconceptions'
You do actually need to follow him, he talks sense (from a legal perspective). Been following since before the ref.
Going back to my question though, what are you views on his opinions on the EU?
He wouldn't have joined in the first place.
But we have.0 -
Just pointing out your poor forecasting and the more obvious inconsistencies in your arguments.Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Belter. So you are now saying that not triggering article 50 will cause economic decline. Kind of goes against what you have been saying all along.Joelsim wrote:Let's consider another scenario.
Invoking A50 seems to keep getting pushed back, legal cases aren't going to help this move forwards.
Over the course of time, starting in the next few days, economic results turn sour and get worse and worse.
The govt is forced to shore up the finances in whatever way, tax rises, NHS cuts and so on.
More and more companies and countries show their displeasure.
More and more media starts reports on this foolhardy situation.
The 3 stooges continue to monumentally f*ck-up in speeches.
The Leave crowd start to worry in droves as actually the experts begin to be proven correct. There's nothing like an affect on personal finances to start changing people's views. Hell, 85% reduction in carrier bags since they started costing 5p demonstrates that.
Also if you notice you have already accepted that the UK economic results are really not materially adversely affected because we haven't left yet...
This coming from someone who predicted immediate economic Armageddon approx 2 hours after the referendum result.
I wonder which other predictions you are badly wrong in? You should join Rick in the 'crap forecaster of the decade' competition
Blimey, talk about twisting things to suit your rhetoric.
The whole shambles is damaging, and hugely more so if we leave. The fact that we are already struggling and we haven't left yet or even come up with an idea should illustrate that.
Of you remember, it was thought to be an immediate exit. Alas, no plan, no ideas, no sensible people, nothing.
That's why we are where we are.
Have you seen IDS's plan? High quality, well thought out, visionary, inclusive, in other words just top banana.
I see the good and the bad in the EU (I voted to remain), but I honestly thing that people like you and Rick have let your slavish Europhilia cloud your ability to think clearly about this issue."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Just pointing out your poor forecasting and the more obvious inconsistencies in your arguments.Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Belter. So you are now saying that not triggering article 50 will cause economic decline. Kind of goes against what you have been saying all along.Joelsim wrote:Let's consider another scenario.
Invoking A50 seems to keep getting pushed back, legal cases aren't going to help this move forwards.
Over the course of time, starting in the next few days, economic results turn sour and get worse and worse.
The govt is forced to shore up the finances in whatever way, tax rises, NHS cuts and so on.
More and more companies and countries show their displeasure.
More and more media starts reports on this foolhardy situation.
The 3 stooges continue to monumentally f*ck-up in speeches.
The Leave crowd start to worry in droves as actually the experts begin to be proven correct. There's nothing like an affect on personal finances to start changing people's views. Hell, 85% reduction in carrier bags since they started costing 5p demonstrates that.
Also if you notice you have already accepted that the UK economic results are really not materially adversely affected because we haven't left yet...
This coming from someone who predicted immediate economic Armageddon approx 2 hours after the referendum result.
I wonder which other predictions you are badly wrong in? You should join Rick in the 'crap forecaster of the decade' competition
Blimey, talk about twisting things to suit your rhetoric.
The whole shambles is damaging, and hugely more so if we leave. The fact that we are already struggling and we haven't left yet or even come up with an idea should illustrate that.
Of you remember, it was thought to be an immediate exit. Alas, no plan, no ideas, no sensible people, nothing.
That's why we are where we are.
Have you seen IDS's plan? High quality, well thought out, visionary, inclusive, in other words just top banana.
I see the good and the bad in the EU (I voted to remain), but I honestly thing that people like you and Rick have let your slavish Europhilia cloud your ability to think clearly about this issue.
I'm in this purely on economic and social terms, I have no love for the EU, but I do have a conscience. There's plenty that needs reform in the EU, but it's hardly the only thing that needs a kick up the arse.0 -
I can't find a better link to this. IDS.
What a total and utter c*nt.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/7821987230320517120 -
Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Just pointing out your poor forecasting and the more obvious inconsistencies in your arguments.Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Belter. So you are now saying that not triggering article 50 will cause economic decline. Kind of goes against what you have been saying all along.Joelsim wrote:Let's consider another scenario.
Invoking A50 seems to keep getting pushed back, legal cases aren't going to help this move forwards.
Over the course of time, starting in the next few days, economic results turn sour and get worse and worse.
The govt is forced to shore up the finances in whatever way, tax rises, NHS cuts and so on.
More and more companies and countries show their displeasure.
More and more media starts reports on this foolhardy situation.
The 3 stooges continue to monumentally f*ck-up in speeches.
The Leave crowd start to worry in droves as actually the experts begin to be proven correct. There's nothing like an affect on personal finances to start changing people's views. Hell, 85% reduction in carrier bags since they started costing 5p demonstrates that.
Also if you notice you have already accepted that the UK economic results are really not materially adversely affected because we haven't left yet...
This coming from someone who predicted immediate economic Armageddon approx 2 hours after the referendum result.
I wonder which other predictions you are badly wrong in? You should join Rick in the 'crap forecaster of the decade' competition
Blimey, talk about twisting things to suit your rhetoric.
The whole shambles is damaging, and hugely more so if we leave. The fact that we are already struggling and we haven't left yet or even come up with an idea should illustrate that.
Of you remember, it was thought to be an immediate exit. Alas, no plan, no ideas, no sensible people, nothing.
That's why we are where we are.
Have you seen IDS's plan? High quality, well thought out, visionary, inclusive, in other words just top banana.
I see the good and the bad in the EU (I voted to remain), but I honestly thing that people like you and Rick have let your slavish Europhilia cloud your ability to think clearly about this issue.
I'm in this purely on economic and social terms, I have no love for the EU, but I do have a conscience. There's plenty that needs reform in the EU, but it's hardly the only thing that needs a kick up the ars*.
If you revisit the Labour thread, you'll see that I'm not a raving leftie. But the damage Corbyn could do pales into insignificance compared to Brexit.0 -
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I've stuck up for the Tories for years about trying to get the deficits under control, Brexit will add hundreds of billions to that, for many years. Who exactly is going to pay for that?
You can't have it both ways.0 -
You're not a raving leftie for sure. But you're wrong, the damage that Corbyns lot could do is far worse. Just look at the utter mess that the last left wing Labour govt left on the late 70s - they turned the UK into an equivalent to what Greece is now but without the sunshine. Corbyn and co are more left wing than that so they would f*** up this country good and proper if they ever got into power. Fortunately that is highly unlikely."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Rick Chasey wrote:Look leaving the ECJ surely means we're leaving the EEA.
The choice appears to be very simple Rick.
1) we don't leave and we accept several hundred billion has been added since June 23rd, accept that some thick people, racists and muppets will be disappointed.
2) we do leave and we pay for that for the rest of our lives, our children are f*cked.
It's hard Brexit or no Brexit.0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:You're not a raving leftie for sure. But you're wrong, the damage that Corbyns lot could do is far worse. Just look at the utter mess that the last left wing Labour govt left on the late 70s - they turned the UK into an equivalent to what Greece is now but without the sunshine. Corbyn and co are more left wing than that so they would f*** up this country good and proper if they ever got into power. Fortunately that is highly unlikely.
In economic terms Brexit is far worse than anything Labour could ever do.
And I agree that he will never get in.
We need Chuka to get rid of the scum in the current cabinet.0 -
And I don't make any bones about this. I will vote for Corbyn (or whoever) in the next election simply to get rid of this bunch of right-wing c*nts. In the future I will never vote Tory again, that doesn't mean to say I will vote for anyone, but after this utter disaster never Tory again.
This is the biggest economic disaster since WW2.0 -
Those are forecasts.Joelsim wrote:I've stuck up for the Tories for years about trying to get the deficits under control, Brexit will add hundreds of billions to that, for many years. Who exactly is going to pay for that?
You can't have it both ways.
You need to explain who would pay for the hundreds of billions that new old Labour would spend if elected (from memory Corbyn mentioned at least 500 billion and that's before you count the investment and business activity he would drive away or destroy). That spend is not a forecast, it's a promise.
You're also assuming that the EU will stay in one piece and only have the UK to worry about. This is a fatally flawed club with the single currency as it's Achilles heel. It's life span in its current form is limited."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You mean you voted tory? There's hope for you yet as you appear to have voted with brain over heart in the pastJoelsim wrote:And I don't make any bones about this. I will vote for Corbyn (or whoever) in the next election simply to get rid of this bunch of right-wing c*nts. In the future I will never vote Tory again, that doesn't mean to say I will vote for anyone, but after this utter disaster never Tory again.
This is the biggest economic disaster since WW2.
Speak to mamba, he's in the same boat."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What kind of fool would base their career or life on forecasts?
Much better to have a bit of a punt.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
Forecasts are put out by people hoping/expecting to capitalise on others acting according to the forecasts.BelgianBeerGeek wrote:What kind of fool would base their career or life on forecasts?
Much better to have a bit of a punt.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
You mean you voted tory? There's hope for you yet as you appear to have voted with brain over heart in the pastJoelsim wrote:And I don't make any bones about this. I will vote for Corbyn (or whoever) in the next election simply to get rid of this bunch of right-wing c*nts. In the future I will never vote Tory again, that doesn't mean to say I will vote for anyone, but after this utter disaster never Tory again.
This is the biggest economic disaster since WW2.
Speak to mamba, he's in the same boat.
Oh dear. This is almost like Sky fans vs Sky trolls isn't it? Neither side wants to admit they're blinkered but the reality is in between.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
Forecasts are put out by people hoping/expecting to capitalise on others acting according to the forecasts.BelgianBeerGeek wrote:What kind of fool would base their career or life on forecasts?
Much better to have a bit of a punt.
Quite right mate, 91% of economists against Brexit.
We could just write a cheque to Boris et al now and have done with it.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You mean you voted tory? There's hope for you yet as you appear to have voted with brain over heart in the pastJoelsim wrote:And I don't make any bones about this. I will vote for Corbyn (or whoever) in the next election simply to get rid of this bunch of right-wing c*nts. In the future I will never vote Tory again, that doesn't mean to say I will vote for anyone, but after this utter disaster never Tory again.
This is the biggest economic disaster since WW2.
Speak to mamba, he's in the same boat.
Oh dear. This is almost like Sky fans vs Sky trolls isn't it? Neither side wants to admit they're blinkered but the reality is in between.
And I always vote with brain.0 -
Oh dear. You said you would vote for Corbyn...Joelsim wrote:Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You mean you voted tory? There's hope for you yet as you appear to have voted with brain over heart in the pastJoelsim wrote:And I don't make any bones about this. I will vote for Corbyn (or whoever) in the next election simply to get rid of this bunch of right-wing c*nts. In the future I will never vote Tory again, that doesn't mean to say I will vote for anyone, but after this utter disaster never Tory again.
This is the biggest economic disaster since WW2.
Speak to mamba, he's in the same boat.
Oh dear. This is almost like Sky fans vs Sky trolls isn't it? Neither side wants to admit they're blinkered but the reality is in between.
And I always vote with brain."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Oh dear. You said you would vote for Corbyn...Joelsim wrote:Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You mean you voted tory? There's hope for you yet as you appear to have voted with brain over heart in the pastJoelsim wrote:And I don't make any bones about this. I will vote for Corbyn (or whoever) in the next election simply to get rid of this bunch of right-wing c*nts. In the future I will never vote Tory again, that doesn't mean to say I will vote for anyone, but after this utter disaster never Tory again.
This is the biggest economic disaster since WW2.
Speak to mamba, he's in the same boat.
Oh dear. This is almost like Sky fans vs Sky trolls isn't it? Neither side wants to admit they're blinkered but the reality is in between.
And I always vote with brain.
Yes. That shows just how dire the situation is.
(From a non-blinkered voter).0 -
Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Oh dear. You said you would vote for Corbyn...Joelsim wrote:Joelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
You mean you voted tory? There's hope for you yet as you appear to have voted with brain over heart in the pastJoelsim wrote:And I don't make any bones about this. I will vote for Corbyn (or whoever) in the next election simply to get rid of this bunch of right-wing c*nts. In the future I will never vote Tory again, that doesn't mean to say I will vote for anyone, but after this utter disaster never Tory again.
This is the biggest economic disaster since WW2.
Speak to mamba, he's in the same boat.
Oh dear. This is almost like Sky fans vs Sky trolls isn't it? Neither side wants to admit they're blinkered but the reality is in between.
And I always vote with brain.
Yes. That shows just how dire the situation is.
(From a non-blinkered voter).
The same Corbyn that did so much to promote the Remain campaign?0 -
This forum has it's own version of Godwin's Law. No matter what we are discussing somebody will always state that it would be much worse under Corbyn.
To clarify it is not a choice between Brexit and Corbyn.0 -
Can someone help me with this? it may be a silly question but...
What about the EU was stopping all these Chinese, Brazilian, Indian or other commonwealth companied building factories in our green and pleasant land? Most of the apparently smarter Brexiteers will always pontificate about all these new trade deals we re going to do with them. Forgive me, but I'm struggling to think of any major Brazilian companies desperate to build factories in Sunderland - surely they'd build them in the EU and cut out a potential middle man?
What is it we could offer post Brexit that we couldn't before?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:Can someone help me with this? it may be a silly question but...
What about the EU was stopping all these Chinese, Brazilian, Indian or other commonwealth companied building factories in our green and pleasant land? Most of the apparently smarter Brexiteers will always pontificate about all these new trade deals we re going to do with them. Forgive me, but I'm struggling to think of any major Brazilian companies desperate to build factories in Sunderland - surely they'd build them in the EU and cut out a potential middle man?
What is it we could offer post Brexit that we couldn't before?
Genuine question and not a debating point. How many Brazilian factories are located in the EU at present?0
