BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If PM Swinson leads a coalition with a decent majority, then she won't have the same issues.

That's a revelation. How do you think she is going to get into that position? (I think Geoffrey Cox alluded to it yesterday...)

"If" was doing the heavy lifting.

It's pretty obvious that anyone commanding a decent majority won't have these issues, isn't it.

I'd have thought so. Makes it more baffling why Boris can't see that the reverse is the case.

Stevo_666

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If PM Swinson leads a coalition with a decent majority, then she won't have the same issues.

That's a revelation. How do you think she is going to get into that position? (I think Geoffrey Cox alluded to it yesterday...)

"If" was doing the heavy lifting.

It's pretty obvious that anyone commanding a decent majority won't have these issues, isn't it.

I'd have thought so. Makes it more baffling why Boris can't see that the reverse is the case.

I think he does realise but cannot really change that without a GE. Hence the current approach.

rolf_f

All makes no sense to me. We voted for what we have got so another general election will obviously be undemocratic ( :roll: ). Plenty of countries cope with minority governments so the problem isn't that - it's Boris (and previously May). Why waste yet more (Brexit bonus) money on yet another GE when all the Tories need to do is find a non divisive leader. Surely there is someone amongst their ranks capable of not being a power crazed imbecile?

Bojo should just resign.

bompington

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If PM Swinson leads a coalition with a decent majority, then she won't have the same issues.

That's a revelation. How do you think she is going to get into that position? (I think Geoffrey Cox alluded to it yesterday...)

"If" was doing the heavy lifting.

It's pretty obvious that anyone commanding a decent majority won't have these issues, isn't it.

I'd have thought so. Makes it more baffling why Boris can't see that the reverse is the case.

I think he does realise but cannot really change that without a GE. Hence the current approach.

All the evidence still says that the entire strategy is to rile the remoaners and dog whistle to BP voters: I don't think he really cares about Brexit or when the next election comes, except insofar as it gets him elected.

haydenm

bompington wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If PM Swinson leads a coalition with a decent majority, then she won't have the same issues.

That's a revelation. How do you think she is going to get into that position? (I think Geoffrey Cox alluded to it yesterday...)

"If" was doing the heavy lifting.

It's pretty obvious that anyone commanding a decent majority won't have these issues, isn't it.

I'd have thought so. Makes it more baffling why Boris can't see that the reverse is the case.

I think he does realise but cannot really change that without a GE. Hence the current approach.

All the evidence still says that the entire strategy is to rile the remoaners and dog whistle to BP voters: I don't think he really cares about Brexit or when the next election comes, except insofar as it gets him elected.

This. Provided his strategy is sound he can't really lose on the prorogation ruling

tailwindhome

Just lost a vote to have a recess next week for the conference.

7-0 at home
11-0 away.

It's a poor record.

ddraver

Dunno if that's good or bad, or who for...

rjsterry

Interesting thread on the view from Europe.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCkatyaadle ... wsrc%5Etfw

Working on the assumption of an extension as chances of a deal by October 17th virtually nil.

slowbike

TailWindHome wrote:

Just lost a vote to have a recess next week for the conference.

7-0 at home
11-0 away.

It's a poor record.

Well - they asked for it ... as Geoffry Cox said yesterday - if they didn't consider all eventualities then they shouldn't be there.... so you got to laugh...


Now- can a government "stand down" ? Ok - it won't happen because BoJo won't give up (he's flogged horses for longer than this .... allegedly ... ) But he wants an election - the opposition won't give him one - can he force one?

TheBigBean

TailWindHome wrote:

Just lost a vote to have a recess next week for the conference.

7-0 at home
11-0 away.

It's a poor record.

How's your vote prediction record?

rolf_f

rjsterry wrote:

Interesting thread on the view from Europe.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCkatyaadle ... wsrc%5Etfw

Working on the assumption of an extension as chances of a deal by October 17th virtually nil.

What's your basis for "virtually"?!

cycleclinic

Mr Goo wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

Corbyn wants to leave but doesn't want to be at the helm when we do, that's his problem.

Corbyn's desire to leave the EU is a square I just can't circle. The EU, a pseudo Duma in Brussels that is run by unelected bureaucrats who are totally unaccountable and think they know what's best for the proletariat. What's not to like for Corbyn?

While that's one view of how the eu works. Member states appoint the commissioners, member states make policy decisions at eu summits and through the council.of europe. The commission fleshes out these policies with detail in its directives. It's not quite how you portray it. Not that that matters any more. Truth is what ever the leave side say it is.

cycleclinic

Rolf F wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

He'd promise the moon on a stick to every family if he thought that would keep him in no.10.

Given that he's now been found in a court of law to have lied to the Queen, surely nobody on earth with more than two brain cells to rub together would believe a single word he says now.

thecycleclinic wrote:

If mps want a soft brexit the there is WA vote for it and then use the transition period so something like customs union and eea membership. Sadly there is so much anger now no deal is looking likely as compromise is difficult.

The only person who thinks the WA/May deal is a soft Brexit is Coopster the Idiot. It's only a soft Brexit in comparison to no deal. If the WA were a soft Brexit then there would be no difficulty implementing it as the Backstop would not be needed (I think!).

It's a stepping stone. It can become a soft brexit or a harder one. The problem is too many want the withdrawal agreement to include the customs union e.t.c and trying to do much in one go. With anything big break down into smaller chunks first before attempting to swallow.

cycleclinic

Rick Chasey wrote:

U.K. goes full trump then right?

It’s a “drain the swamp” style election.

The problem is who to vote for, if your not voting for the bulldozer do you vote for Muddle or dreamers. Not much of a
choice is it. Monster raving looney party actually looks appealing.

Perhaps 300000 liberals should join the Tories and do hostile take over.

That's the thing that will end this, mass party membership. You know a few million per party. The e tremes then get drowned out. Right now the remainia ultras rule the Lib dems, the lefty zealots rule labour and nodeal fanatics rule the tories and Brexit party.

cycleclinic

Slowbike wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Just lost a vote to have a recess next week for the conference.

7-0 at home
11-0 away.

It's a poor record.

Well - they asked for it ... as Geoffry Cox said yesterday - if they didn't consider all eventualities then they shouldn't be there.... so you got to laugh...


Now- can a government "stand down" ? Ok - it won't happen because BoJo won't give up (he's flogged horses for longer than this .... allegedly ... ) But he wants an election - the opposition won't give him one - can he force one?

The best he can do is a one line bill which calls for an election. Hello loose that too. The tories ditch leaders if they are going to loose them an election. Boris has a big enough lead and is popular enough to have evens chance of getting a majority. It's a gamble but the best one the tories have. However the latest polls have cut the tory lead. If they continue to slide they may go off an election.

bompington

thecycleclinic wrote:

That's the thing that will end this, mass party membership. You know a few million per party. The e tremes then get drowned out. Right now the remainia ultras rule the Lib dems, the lefty zealots rule labour and nodeal fanatics rule the tories and Brexit party.

Two things to this:
- calling anyone who is in favour of a position that has been the status quo accepted by the vast majority of the country for most of the last 45 years a "remainia ultra" is a bit Farage, isn't it?
- mass party membership drowning out the extremes? That certainly worked well for Labour

tailwindhome

TheBigBean wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Just lost a vote to have a recess next week for the conference.

7-0 at home
11-0 away.

It's a poor record.

How's your vote prediction record?

Poor.
But then I'm predicting wins when British PMs only seem capable of losses.
I should adjust my thinking based on their proven incompetence.

drhaggis

Past incompetence is no proof of future failure. Or something along the lines.

rick_chasey

So jess philips, who was making the point around the divisiveness of BoJo's efforts has just had someone arrested trying to get into her constituency office, apparently shouting that she was a 'fascist'.

Culture wars innit.

john80

Rick Chasey wrote:

So jess philips, who was making the point around the divisiveness of BoJo's efforts has just had someone arrested trying to get into her constituency office, apparently shouting that she was a 'fascist'.

Culture wars innit.

I wonder if claiming to support brexit whilst working ronprevent it every day for the last three years falls under low level facism. Coincidently a lot of labours economy plans could also be described as facism. It all low level but state control of industries and forcing asset strippong of private schools are just some examples.

rjsterry

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So jess philips, who was making the point around the divisiveness of BoJo's efforts has just had someone arrested trying to get into her constituency office, apparently shouting that she was a 'fascist'.

Culture wars innit.

I wonder if claiming to support brexit whilst working ronprevent it every day for the last three years falls under low level facism. Coincidently a lot of labours economy plans could also be described as facism. It all low level but state control of industries and forcing asset strippong of private schools are just some examples.

Don't be so f***ing stupid.

TheBigBean

TailWindHome wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Just lost a vote to have a recess next week for the conference.

7-0 at home
11-0 away.

It's a poor record.

How's your vote prediction record?

Poor.
But then I'm predicting wins when British PMs only seem capable of losses.
I should adjust my thinking based on their proven incompetence.

There are some easy ones next week, so perhaps both you and BoJo can break your ducks.

rick_chasey

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So jess philips, who was making the point around the divisiveness of BoJo's efforts has just had someone arrested trying to get into her constituency office, apparently shouting that she was a 'fascist'.

Culture wars innit.

I wonder if claiming to support brexit whilst working ronprevent it every day for the last three years falls under low level facism. Coincidently a lot of labours economy plans could also be described as facism. It all low level but state control of industries and forcing asset strippong of private schools are just some examples.

You siding with the guy who was arrested?

This is a bit like when you blamed women for getting raped isn’t it?

tailwindhome

TheBigBean wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Just lost a vote to have a recess next week for the conference.

7-0 at home
11-0 away.

It's a poor record.

How's your vote prediction record?

Poor.
But then I'm predicting wins when British PMs only seem capable of losses.
I should adjust my thinking based on their proven incompetence.

There are some easy ones next week, so perhaps both you and BoJo can break your ducks.

Hope so.

Luckily neither of us has anything at stake.

tailwindhome

Remember when that Luxembourg PM had the press conference without Boris and it was considered an outrageous way for a PM to behave.

It was a simpler time.

Pross

The disgrace of Parliament ignoring the will of the people on full view today with the launching of Boaty McBoatface (sorry, Sir David Attenborough).

TheBigBean

random person internet wrote:

Labour and the Lib Dems both managed to hold their conferences while parliament was in session, why can't the Conservatives

pblakeney

TailWindHome wrote:

Remember when that Luxembourg PM had the press conference without Boris and it was considered an outrageous way for a PM to behave.

It was a simpler time.

Remember when the referendum was to unite the tories?
It was a simpler time.
Remember when The Monster Raving Lunatic Party were considered to be acting outrageously?
It was a simpler time.

rick_chasey

So the evil genius theory is that all this upset about “surrender bill” chat is in fact helping the Tories in that it actually cuts through and is memorable, so the more people say it, the more that’s what it becomes.

So Tories see labour attempts to tone down the language as an attempt to remove an electorally valuable term; hence not backing down.

tailwindhome

Rick Chasey wrote:

So the evil genius theory is that all this upset about “surrender bill” chat is in fact helping the Tories in that it actually cuts through and is memorable, so the more people say it, the more that’s what it becomes.

So Tories see labour attempts to tone down the language as an attempt to remove an electorally valuable term; hence not backing down.

I think it's simpler than that.

Every time Labour repeat it to condemn it they amplify it.