BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Business for tomorrow
Adjournment for conference
Debate on democracy
Labour suggesting they run the Domestic Violence bill and Animal Welfare as bills with cross party support which could be run and allow MPs to attend conference.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
My hope, my expectation.bobmcstuff wrote:
If it's with a deal (which is what they keep saying they want) there would be a standstill transition period so there would be literally no change.PBlakeney wrote:Being bombarded by adverts to check if I am ready for Brexit at gov.uk/brexit so I had a look.
Basically businesses importing/exporting have to start the process at least 4 weeks before 31/10/19.
For clarification, that is next Thursday. And we still have no clue as to what basis we are leaving by. Tick tock.
So why the push to get ready? I have my doubts about my expectation.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:[
I never know what your argument is beyond whatever the consensus in any given argument isn’t.
It is possible to post without argument, and without need to win or lose a debate.
I thought it was a decent reply to a question, and not one I had heard before. There was no underlying hypothesis that needed rebutting.
You said it’s decent and the next post illustrate why it’s erroneous and irrelevant?
It was the PM's response to an erroneous and irrelevant question. It's politics. Of course it is an erroneous and irrelevant response, but that is the political game. And in that context, I thought it was a decent response.0 -
I thought one of the main pluses of Brexit was to bring back power to parliament?Coopster the 1st wrote:Congrats remoaners! Today was worth getting Parliament back. What a waste of time and all this just reinforces the Leave vote come the election.
I also enjoyed seeing Bercow looking really uncomfortable in the chair as this is the parliament he has created and presided over. He has lost control and authority. It was delicious to see the Tories serve their revenge on him, and I sure they will continue to do so. They humiliated him beautifully.
I know, waste of typing time. I know...The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
I thought one of the main pluses of Brexit was to bring back power to parliament?Coopster the 1st wrote:Congrats remoaners! Today was worth getting Parliament back. What a waste of time and all this just reinforces the Leave vote come the election.
I also enjoyed seeing Bercow looking really uncomfortable in the chair as this is the parliament he has created and presided over. He has lost control and authority. It was delicious to see the Tories serve their revenge on him, and I sure they will continue to do so. They humiliated him beautifully.
I know, waste of typing time. I know...
As I posted earlier, it is a shame that Parliament didn't exercise that power to hold the executive to account. They have had the power for centuries but on this occasion chose to sit on their hands and left it to a private citizen to mount a challenge in the courts.
No-one in the Commons has covered themselves in glory.0 -
Wasn't it raised by Joanna Cherry, MP?Ballysmate wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
I thought one of the main pluses of Brexit was to bring back power to parliament?Coopster the 1st wrote:Congrats remoaners! Today was worth getting Parliament back. What a waste of time and all this just reinforces the Leave vote come the election.
I also enjoyed seeing Bercow looking really uncomfortable in the chair as this is the parliament he has created and presided over. He has lost control and authority. It was delicious to see the Tories serve their revenge on him, and I sure they will continue to do so. They humiliated him beautifully.
I know, waste of typing time. I know...
As I posted earlier, it is a shame that Parliament didn't exercise that power to hold the executive to account. They have had the power for centuries but on this occasion chose to sit on their hands and left it to a private citizen to mount a challenge in the courts.
No-one in the Commons has covered themselves in glory.
Quite right though. No one is coming out of this looking good.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Good indicator of the direction of travel though...Stevo 666 wrote:
But it hasn't happened yet...PBlakeney wrote:I thought one of the main pluses of Brexit was to bring back power to parliament?
I know, waste of typing time. I know...
PS - Boris has only sat in parliament as PM for 7 days.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Ngggah! Why do Labour insist on sending Barry Gardiner to Newsnight? The man couldn't give a clear answer if you asked him the time.
And still the ERG hedging on whether they could support anything Johnson manages to bring back.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
Wasn't it raised by Joanna Cherry, MP?Ballysmate wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
I thought one of the main pluses of Brexit was to bring back power to parliament?Coopster the 1st wrote:Congrats remoaners! Today was worth getting Parliament back. What a waste of time and all this just reinforces the Leave vote come the election.
I also enjoyed seeing Bercow looking really uncomfortable in the chair as this is the parliament he has created and presided over. He has lost control and authority. It was delicious to see the Tories serve their revenge on him, and I sure they will continue to do so. They humiliated him beautifully.
I know, waste of typing time. I know...
As I posted earlier, it is a shame that Parliament didn't exercise that power to hold the executive to account. They have had the power for centuries but on this occasion chose to sit on their hands and left it to a private citizen to mount a challenge in the courts.
No-one in the Commons has covered themselves in glory.
Quite right though. No one is coming out of this looking good.
True, she is a MP but she chose to exercise the same right as Gina Miller, a private citizen, albeit in a Scottish court. She chose not to exercise any powers/privileges of her office of MP.
Checks and balances built into a constitution are useless if members refuse to exercise them.0 -
Not really.PBlakeney wrote:
Currently parliament is arguing over whether to leave/how to leave. Once we are past this and it is back to 'business as usual' then (assuming we do leave), clearly parliament will be taking more decisions than was the case when some of the decision making was given over to the EU."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Anyone think this debate will be finished on the 1st of November?Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really.PBlakeney wrote:
Currently parliament is arguing over whether to leave/how to leave. Once we are past this and it is back to 'business as usual' then (assuming we do leave), clearly parliament will be taking more decisions than was the case when some of the decision making was given over to the EU.
Mwuhaa. This will run on for years, even with a no deal on the 31st.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really.PBlakeney wrote:
Currently parliament is arguing over whether to leave/how to leave. Once we are past this and it is back to 'business as usual' then (assuming we do leave), clearly parliament will be taking more decisions than was the case when some of the decision making was given over to the EU.
Ha mate, this will go on for a long time.
The geni is out of the bottle.0 -
Where did I give a date? Pretty obvious it won't be finished on 31 October, regardless of whether or how we leave.PBlakeney wrote:
Anyone think this debate will be finished on the 1st of November?Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really.PBlakeney wrote:
Currently parliament is arguing over whether to leave/how to leave. Once we are past this and it is back to 'business as usual' then (assuming we do leave), clearly parliament will be taking more decisions than was the case when some of the decision making was given over to the EU.
Mwuhaa. This will run on for years, even with a no deal on the 31st.
Even if A50 is rescinded, that won't be the end of it."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
See my post above.Rick Chasey wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really.PBlakeney wrote:
Currently parliament is arguing over whether to leave/how to leave. Once we are past this and it is back to 'business as usual' then (assuming we do leave), clearly parliament will be taking more decisions than was the case when some of the decision making was given over to the EU.
Ha mate, this will go on for a long time.
The geni is out of the bottle."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Not really.PBlakeney wrote:
Currently parliament is arguing over whether to leave/how to leave. Once we are past this and it is back to 'business as usual' then (assuming we do leave), clearly parliament will be taking more decisions than was the case when some of the decision making was given over to the EU.
It looks more like the Government want control. They are trying to stop parliament making decisions and openly stating they will ignore doing the things parliament are deciding should be done. What makes you think that if they get their way they will start enacting the decisions of parliament rather than their own agenda?0 -
TailWindHome wrote:...
TWH, Was this a link to the Stella Creasy Twitter page ref government advertising in schools??
I know I saw it somewhere but can't find it on here.
It was on here, am pretty sure I didn't dream it.
If not, TWH, my apologies.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:TailWindHome wrote:...
TWH, Was this a link to the Stella Creasy Twitter page ref government advertising in schools??
I know I saw it somewhere but can't find it on here.
It was on here, am pretty sure I didn't dream it.
If not, TWH, my apologies.
It was but I deleted at there seems to be some doubt as to what the true story is.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Ballysmate wrote:TailWindHome wrote:...
TWH, Was this a link to the Stella Creasy Twitter page ref government advertising in schools??
I know I saw it somewhere but can't find it on here.
It was on here, am pretty sure I didn't dream it.
If not, TWH, my apologies.
It was but I deleted at there seems to be some doubt as to what the true story is.
Thanks for the reply.
It appears that Stella was just flapping her gums
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/25/brexit-p ... -10809109/
It appears that the presentations are supplied by a company called Anomaly. There is a library of content for the schools to buy or they can supply their own content. Any sort of rudimentary investigation would have told her BJ knew nowt about it.
Socialmeedja though innit.
Kudos to you though for removing said link when you realised there was some doubt in its veracity.
Maybe even a first in CS
You may even set a trend. :shock: 0 -
It is disappointing that when MPs are legit complaining about the threats to their security etc that the PM doesn't at least acknowledge that that is occuring and that it ought to stop.
There was always a soft criticism that the MPs were all mates behind the scenes because ultimately they're still colleagues, but the hatred of BoJo was very plain to see, and I guess the worry is that the culture wars kick into a higher gear, if they haven't already.
The people vs parliament campaign has some obvious drawbacks - in that it will likely mean more people don't trust parliament which I think most on here would agree is not a good thing.
Surprised at some of the loyalty shown towards the Tories too; what they are doing is pretty much the antithesis of what the entire party is based around.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Ballysmate wrote:TailWindHome wrote:...
TWH, Was this a link to the Stella Creasy Twitter page ref government advertising in schools??
I know I saw it somewhere but can't find it on here.
It was on here, am pretty sure I didn't dream it.
If not, TWH, my apologies.
It was but I deleted at there seems to be some doubt as to what the true story is.
Thanks for the reply.
It appears that Stella was just flapping her gums
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/25/brexit-p ... -10809109/
It appears that the presentations are supplied by a company called Anomaly. There is a library of content for the schools to buy or they can supply their own content. Any sort of rudimentary investigation would have told her BJ knew nowt about it.
Socialmeedja though innit.
Kudos to you though for removing said link when you realised there was some doubt in its veracity.
Maybe even a first in CS You may even set a trend. :shock:
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Rick Chasey wrote:It is disappointing that when MPs are legit complaining about the threats to their security etc that the PM doesn't at least acknowledge that that is occuring and that it ought to stop.
There was always a soft criticism that the MPs were all mates behind the scenes because ultimately they're still colleagues, but the hatred of BoJo was very plain to see, and I guess the worry is that the culture wars kick into a higher gear, if they haven't already.
The people vs parliament campaign has some obvious drawbacks - in that it will likely mean more people don't trust parliament which I think most on here would agree is not a good thing.
Surprised at some of the loyalty shown towards the Tories too; what they are doing is pretty much the antithesis of what the entire party is based around.
I'd imagine it's less loyalty and more how TAF the other parties can't still look so utterly utterly embarrassing and unelectable despite Tories shambles.0 -
I mean, FWIW, Thornberry has apologised for the Lib Dem - Taliban comparison - without it seems, anyone calling for her to do so.0
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In the context that the PM was found to have behaved unlawfully by the supreme court the day before, for I think the first time ever, the chat coming from him is taking the p!ss a bit.
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Check out the reaction to when someone tries to defend BoJo for dismissing the safety of fellow MPs.
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Rick Chasey wrote:I mean, FWIW, Thornberry has apologised for the Lib Dem - Taliban comparison - without it seems, anyone calling for her to do so.
Did anyone even notice it?0 -
Shirley Basso wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I mean, FWIW, Thornberry has apologised for the Lib Dem - Taliban comparison - without it seems, anyone calling for her to do so.
Did anyone even notice it?
Probably not, but credit where credit is due.
She's as much in the culture wars trenches as anyone so it's nice to see someone occasionally taking a bit of responsibility for what they say.0 -
Backing up my theory that no sane person wants to be the one in charge come Brexit day.Shirley Basso wrote:I'd imagine it's less loyalty and more how TAF the other parties can't still look so utterly utterly embarrassing and unelectable despite Tories shambles.
Sane negates self obsessed egotistical megalomaniacs unfortunately.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:It is disappointing that when MPs are legit complaining about the threats to their security etc that the PM doesn't at least acknowledge that that is occuring and that it ought to stop.
There was always a soft criticism that the MPs were all mates behind the scenes because ultimately they're still colleagues, but the hatred of BoJo was very plain to see, and I guess the worry is that the culture wars kick into a higher gear, if they haven't already.
The people vs parliament campaign has some obvious drawbacks - in that it will likely mean more people don't trust parliament which I think most on here would agree is not a good thing.
Surprised at some of the loyalty shown towards the Tories too; what they are doing is pretty much the antithesis of what the entire party is based around.
People are sadly losing faith in Parliament. How many times have you heard opposition leaders use the phrase, "Hold the government to account"? That is their job and they have spectacularly failed.
If, MPs hold the view that the PM is unfit for office, and it appears many do, they should do something about it.
Swinson, fresh back from conference with a mandate to revoke A20 if elected, does nothing.
Corbyn who fought and won his battle to get a mandate to only fall off his fence, following an election, does nothing.
I get the ERG. I don't agree with them but I get them. They don't want a deal so vote against any deal proposed. That is in line with their position.
The others, I don't get. They voted to trigger A50 knowing the implications. ie 2 year limit and no negotiations before A50. They voted against the only deal available and seem to be in the hope that the EU will let them keep the fudge going in perpetuity. Do they expect Brexit to just wither away? Rick is right that the genie is out of the bottle and there is no getting it back in.
Geoffrey Cox was right. Xmas will come for some turkeys.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
Wasn't it raised by Joanna Cherry, MP?Ballysmate wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
I thought one of the main pluses of Brexit was to bring back power to parliament?Coopster the 1st wrote:Congrats remoaners! Today was worth getting Parliament back. What a waste of time and all this just reinforces the Leave vote come the election.
I also enjoyed seeing Bercow looking really uncomfortable in the chair as this is the parliament he has created and presided over. He has lost control and authority. It was delicious to see the Tories serve their revenge on him, and I sure they will continue to do so. They humiliated him beautifully.
I know, waste of typing time. I know...
As I posted earlier, it is a shame that Parliament didn't exercise that power to hold the executive to account. They have had the power for centuries but on this occasion chose to sit on their hands and left it to a private citizen to mount a challenge in the courts.
No-one in the Commons has covered themselves in glory.
Quite right though. No one is coming out of this looking good.
True, she is a MP but she chose to exercise the same right as Gina Miller, a private citizen, albeit in a Scottish court. She chose not to exercise any powers/privileges of her office of MP.
Checks and balances built into a constitution are useless if members refuse to exercise them.
Bit difficult to exercise your powers as an MP if parliament is shut down.
If you mean a no confidence vote, you know that this would take time, plus parliament then shuts down for any election. Given the point of prorogation was to help run the clock down, that wasn't a great option.0
