BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

tailwindhome

Latest Westminster voting intention (24-25 Sep)
Con - 33% +1
Lab - 22% +1
Lib Dem - 22% -1
Brexit Party - 14% 0
Green - 6% +2


Fair to characterise that as static?
Labour getting nothing really from their conference.
Supreme court having no effect on Conservatives

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Aw diddums, the opposition MP's who are disrespecting, undermining and playing games with our democracy don't like when the electorate pushes back.

Are you talking about death threats being sent to MPs' houses and someone trying to smash an MP's windows?

No, these are abhorrent.

What the referenced MP's don't like is their game playing being exposed. For the first time in this Brexit process the Leave side is now matching or winning the narrative and unsurprisingly the losers don't like it up 'em!

I don't know what you are referring to then. How have the electorate pushed back?

Alejandrosdog

sungod wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

bompington wrote:

no surprise as there has never been any proof that the majority of the electorate back Brexit.

Well that's not true, is it?

yes it is, in multiple ways, for instance...

the leave:remain split was 17,410,742 : 16,141,241, a difference of 1,269,501, which is dwarfed by the number who failed to vote, let alone those who were not allowed to vote, fact is that over 40 million british people did not vote leave, there is no proof of the voting intention of those tens of millions who did not vote or were excluded from voting

the leave campaign provably and materially lied and misrepresented both the status quo and what 'brexit' meant, proving no voter voted for any potential deal presented so far, further proof is that even leavers didn't like the proposed deals

leave did not campaign that brexit meant 'no deal', therefore proving that no voter voted for 'no deal'

You could replace the word leave for remain and the narrative would still be true. the only difference is that it is beyond any doubt that the vote leave count was 1,269,501 greater than the remain vote.

Stevo_666

Alejandrosdog wrote:

sungod wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

bompington wrote:

no surprise as there has never been any proof that the majority of the electorate back Brexit.

Well that's not true, is it?

yes it is, in multiple ways, for instance...

the leave:remain split was 17,410,742 : 16,141,241, a difference of 1,269,501, which is dwarfed by the number who failed to vote, let alone those who were not allowed to vote, fact is that over 40 million british people did not vote leave, there is no proof of the voting intention of those tens of millions who did not vote or were excluded from voting

the leave campaign provably and materially lied and misrepresented both the status quo and what 'brexit' meant, proving no voter voted for any potential deal presented so far, further proof is that even leavers didn't like the proposed deals

leave did not campaign that brexit meant 'no deal', therefore proving that no voter voted for 'no deal'

You could replace the word leave for remain and the narrative would still be true. the only difference is that it is beyond any doubt that the vote leave count was 1,269,501 greater than the remain vote.

I still find it amusing that some people still cling onto the idea that because some people didn't vote, that somehow invalidates the result. Sadly that's not the way elections and referenda work. As in that case it would invalidate the result of any almost election ever held. Same goes for the stuff that gets said during the campaigns.

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Aw diddums, the opposition MP's who are disrespecting, undermining and playing games with our democracy don't like when the electorate pushes back.

Are you talking about death threats being sent to MPs' houses and someone trying to smash an MP's windows?

No, these are abhorrent.

What the referenced MP's don't like is their game playing being exposed. For the first time in this Brexit process the Leave side is now matching or winning the narrative and unsurprisingly the losers don't like it up 'em!

I don't know what you are referring to then. How have the electorate pushed back?

The idiots using death threats are fortunately a tiny minority. There will be large numbers of law abiding citizens letting MP's know, legally, their feelings to the games these MP's are playing.

Pross

Stevo 666 wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

sungod wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

bompington wrote:

no surprise as there has never been any proof that the majority of the electorate back Brexit.

Well that's not true, is it?

yes it is, in multiple ways, for instance...

the leave:remain split was 17,410,742 : 16,141,241, a difference of 1,269,501, which is dwarfed by the number who failed to vote, let alone those who were not allowed to vote, fact is that over 40 million british people did not vote leave, there is no proof of the voting intention of those tens of millions who did not vote or were excluded from voting

the leave campaign provably and materially lied and misrepresented both the status quo and what 'brexit' meant, proving no voter voted for any potential deal presented so far, further proof is that even leavers didn't like the proposed deals

leave did not campaign that brexit meant 'no deal', therefore proving that no voter voted for 'no deal'

You could replace the word leave for remain and the narrative would still be true. the only difference is that it is beyond any doubt that the vote leave count was 1,269,501 greater than the remain vote.

I still find it amusing that some people still cling onto the idea that because some people didn't vote, that somehow invalidates the result. Sadly that's not the way elections and referenda work. As in that case it would invalidate the result of any almost election ever held. Same goes for the stuff that gets said during the campaigns.

I agree when it comes to those who chose not to vote. The bigger issue for me is those who weren't allowed to vote. We now have a bunch of 18, 19 and 20 year olds that had no say and the issue voted on hasn't happened yet. Conversely a lot of those that did vote (either way) will no be dead. But the biggest issue was EU Nationals (other than Irish) who are resident here couldn't vote on something that probably impacts them more than anyone.

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Aw diddums, the opposition MP's who are disrespecting, undermining and playing games with our democracy don't like when the electorate pushes back.

Are you talking about death threats being sent to MPs' houses and someone trying to smash an MP's windows?

No, these are abhorrent.

What the referenced MP's don't like is their game playing being exposed. For the first time in this Brexit process the Leave side is now matching or winning the narrative and unsurprisingly the losers don't like it up 'em!

I don't know what you are referring to then. How have the electorate pushed back?

The idiots using death threats are fortunately a tiny minority. There will be large numbers of law abiding citizens letting MP's know, legally, their feelings to the games these MP's are playing.

Have you any evidence where any MPs have complained about their voters expressing their opinions to them? All I've seen is people complaining about threats.

TheBigBean

SNP will back Corbyn for a government of national unity, but Lib Dems still won't. No idea about the rebel 21/22, but presumably they won't either.

rjsterry

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Aw diddums, the opposition MP's who are disrespecting, undermining and playing games with our democracy don't like when the electorate pushes back.

Are you talking about death threats being sent to MPs' houses and someone trying to smash an MP's windows?

No, these are abhorrent.

What the referenced MP's don't like is their game playing being exposed. For the first time in this Brexit process the Leave side is now matching or winning the narrative and unsurprisingly the losers don't like it up 'em!

I don't know what you are referring to then. How have the electorate pushed back?

The idiots using death threats are fortunately a tiny minority. There will be large numbers of law abiding citizens letting MP's know, legally, their feelings to the games these MP's are playing.

Have you any evidence where any MPs have complained about their voters expressing their opinions to them? All I've seen is people complaining about threats.

Maybe he means trolling someone on Twitter is fine just so long as you don't actually issue any threats of violence.

Stevo_666

TheBigBean wrote:

SNP will back Corbyn for a government of national unity, but Lib Dems still won't. No idea about the rebel 21/22, but presumably they won't either.

The idea that Labour and the SNP could together be described as a 'government of national unity' is a very amusing. Especially as one of those parties is desperately trying to break away from the rest of the nation.

Alejandrosdog

Stevo 666 wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

SNP will back Corbyn for a government of national unity, but Lib Dems still won't. No idea about the rebel 21/22, but presumably they won't either.

The idea that Labour and the SNP could together be described as a 'government of national unity' is a very amusing. Especially as one of those parties is desperately trying to break away from the rest of the nation.

and demonstrates amply that all these people care about is power.

shirley_basso

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

SNP will back Corbyn for a government of national unity, but Lib Dems still won't. No idea about the rebel 21/22, but presumably they won't either.

The idea that Labour and the SNP could together be described as a 'government of national unity' is a very amusing. Especially as one of those parties is desperately trying to break away from the rest of the nation.

and demonstrates amply that all these people care about is power.

If there was any doubt, it is this, at the expense of all else.

TheBigBean

It was interesting to see how many of the rebel 21/22 voted against the conference break now that they are NFI.

rjsterry

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

SNP will back Corbyn for a government of national unity, but Lib Dems still won't. No idea about the rebel 21/22, but presumably they won't either.

The idea that Labour and the SNP could together be described as a 'government of national unity' is a very amusing. Especially as one of those parties is desperately trying to break away from the rest of the nation.

and demonstrates amply that all these people care about is power.

That is the general aim of political parties - to gain power so that they can then enact whatever policies they hold dear.

kingstongraham

TheBigBean wrote:

It was interesting to see how many of the rebel 21/22 voted against the conference break now that they are NFI.

Was it 5 voted for conference adjournment?

kingstongraham

rjsterry wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

SNP will back Corbyn for a government of national unity, but Lib Dems still won't. No idea about the rebel 21/22, but presumably they won't either.

The idea that Labour and the SNP could together be described as a 'government of national unity' is a very amusing. Especially as one of those parties is desperately trying to break away from the rest of the nation.

and demonstrates amply that all these people care about is power.

That is the general aim of political parties - to gain power so that they can then enact whatever policies they hold dear.

Difference is you added a "so that" bit on the end there.

shirley_basso

I don't think Boris Johnson gives a hoot about policies.

rjsterry

KingstonGraham wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

SNP will back Corbyn for a government of national unity, but Lib Dems still won't. No idea about the rebel 21/22, but presumably they won't either.

The idea that Labour and the SNP could together be described as a 'government of national unity' is a very amusing. Especially as one of those parties is desperately trying to break away from the rest of the nation.

and demonstrates amply that all these people care about is power.

That is the general aim of political parties - to gain power so that they can then enact whatever policies they hold dear.

Difference is you added a "so that" bit on the end there.

Perhaps I should have said so that they can then enact whatever policies as they see fit. Merely having the power is of no use unless you use it - even if that use is declaring yourself president for life.

In Johnson's case the policies he cares about are whatever keeps him in no.10 and makes him popular.

TheBigBean

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

It was interesting to see how many of the rebel 21/22 voted against the conference break now that they are NFI.

Was it 5 voted for conference adjournment?

Three for: Steve Brine, Greg Clark and Caroline Nokes. Also, Charlie Elphicke voted with the government, but he is suspended rather than a rebel.
Nine against: Sam Gyimah (now Lib Dem), Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, David Gauke, Justine Greening, Dominic Grieve, Anne Milton, Antoinette Sandbach and Amber Rudd
Ten abstained: Richard Benyon, Alistair Burt, Philip Hammond, Stephen Hammond, Richard Harrington, Margot James, Sir Oliver Letwin, Sir Nicholas Soames, Rory Stewart and Ed Vaizey

rjsterry

Is this a mistake, a wind up, or an inadvertent admission?

http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=72853

rjsterry

Given that it's all just tactics, and in light of that job advert, is the 31st do or die rhetoric only that and Johnson will just shrug and bluster his way through when we find ourselves still in the EU on 1st November.

darkhairedlord

rjsterry wrote:

Is this a mistake, a wind up, or an inadvertent admission?

http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=72853

priceless............

darkhairedlord

darkhairedlord wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Is this a mistake, a wind up, or an inadvertent admission?

http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=72853

priceless............

its a trick to weed out the non-believers. Saddam Hussain did this sort of thing.

tailwindhome

TheBigBean wrote:

NFI

?

surrey_commuter

TailWindHome wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

NFI

?

Not F...ing Invited

tailwindhome

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

NFI

?

Not F...ing Invited

Ha!

shirley_basso

not as bad as NEFC

Not even f..ing considered

Stevo_666

TailWindHome wrote:

Latest Westminster voting intention (24-25 Sep)
Con - 33% +1
Lab - 22% +1
Lib Dem - 22% -1
Brexit Party - 14% 0
Green - 6% +2


Fair to characterise that as static?
Labour getting nothing really from their conference.
Supreme court having no effect on Conservatives

I'd say that was a fair summary.

Pross

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Latest Westminster voting intention (24-25 Sep)
Con - 33% +1
Lab - 22% +1
Lib Dem - 22% -1
Brexit Party - 14% 0
Green - 6% +2


Fair to characterise that as static?
Labour getting nothing really from their conference.
Supreme court having no effect on Conservatives

I'd say that was a fair summary.

Entrenched might be a better description.

Alejandrosdog

I think Boris and his crew are first class arsholes. on the plus side they at least are focused on getting through this blockage of turds at Westminster

whilst Labour can't decide what do about Brexit and focus on class war, the libdems have decided that the electorate that didn't vote in favour of the EU can't make decisions for themselves and need to be ignored, the SNP continue to be cynical one issue councillors. and the GREENS or green gets advertised by the bbc via twitter retweets constantly, possibly the only party coming out positively

Unbelievable.

At least Strictly starts this weekend