BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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ugo.santalucia wrote:... gotta look at the bright side
Dr Fox is...
"I think we’ve got a wonderful remit as a country and I think we’ve got tremendous opportunities to increase our global profile and we should be extraordinarily optimistic and confident about the future."0 -
joe2008 wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:... gotta look at the bright side
Dr Fox is...
"I think we’ve got a wonderful remit as a country and I think we’ve got tremendous opportunities to increase our global profile and we should be extraordinarily optimistic and confident about the future."
Sounds like the last words of someone on the way to the airport with a one way ticket to Brazil....left the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:joe2008 wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:... gotta look at the bright side
Dr Fox is...
"I think we’ve got a wonderful remit as a country and I think we’ve got tremendous opportunities to increase our global profile and we should be extraordinarily optimistic and confident about the future."
Sounds like the last words of someone on the way to the airport with a one way ticket to Brazil....
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Stevo 666 wrote:
At least you know it doesn't work very well.mamba80 wrote:Spending our way out of recession? thats never been tried before
When has that been a bar to execution when we judge politicians on short term feel good factors .....“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”
Desmond Tutu0 -
joe2008 wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:... gotta look at the bright side
Dr Fox is...
"I think we’ve got a wonderful remit as a country and I think we’ve got tremendous opportunities to increase our global profile and we should be extraordinarily optimistic and confident about the future."
Now we are no longer listening to experts do we take our political lead from radio DJs instead?
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I'm no Tory and certainly no Theresa May fan but I applaud her sacking of two of the biggest clowns ever to enter the house of commons in the shape of Gove and especially Nicky Morgan. What a waste of space they are.0
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ugo.santalucia wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:He wants to cherry pick in return for immigration curbs.
Christ.
Well, that was the only possible outcome... the real question is what happens if the EU turns out to be inflexible... are they buying time to show next year immigration figures with a steep decline and brand it as a result?
They're playing to the Daily Mail/Express types. Just like I said they would. So that's part 1 of my prediction come true. Part 2 of my prediction is that the EU tells Britain to f^^k off and part 3 is the anti-immigrant backlash. There, that is the future, it is written.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:I'm no Tory and certainly no Theresa May fan but I applaud her sacking of two of the biggest clowns ever to enter the house of commons in the shape of Gove and especially Nicky Morgan. What a waste of space they are.
i agree they were both worse than useless but she has now got that idiot clown Boris as Foreign secretary and Liam fox, didnt he resign from defence secretary over expenses and allow his friend to come long on trips abroad?
as if our reputation abroad wasnt already in shreds?
what is May thinking of ?0 -
Lookyhere wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:I'm no Tory and certainly no Theresa May fan but I applaud her sacking of two of the biggest clowns ever to enter the house of commons in the shape of Gove and especially Nicky Morgan. What a waste of space they are.
i agree they were both worse than useless but she has now got that idiot clown Boris as Foreign secretary and Liam fox, didnt he resign from defence secretary over expenses and allow his friend to come long on trips abroad?
as if our reputation abroad wasnt already in shreds?
what is May thinking of ?
I think with Boris she is being quite clever. She is saying "You wanted Brexit - you can deal with the fallout from foreign nations". He fails in any way he pretty much finishes his own political career. Therefore he HAS to succeed. Liam Fox is a curious one (being military) I don't particularly like him from his days as defence secretary.0 -
I think David Davis rather than Boris is likely to be the one negotiating Brexit. I suspect Boris got the job for two reasons: (i) unite the Tories (ii) it's a role that is likely to suit him.0
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Multiple possibilities...Maglia Rosa wrote:Lookyhere wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:I think with Boris she is being quite clever. She is saying "You wanted Brexit - you can deal with the fallout from foreign nations". He fails in any way he pretty much finishes his own political career. Therefore he HAS to succeed.
- prior to his tactical change to leave, he was pro-Europe... May might be planning on his holding his "intensive and intensifying" approach that he was spouting even after he'd lied his way through his campaign
- she hoping he can sell a soft Brexit to the loons who bought his lies before
- he'll be the fall guy, again.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:Lookyhere wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:I'm no Tory and certainly no Theresa May fan but I applaud her sacking of two of the biggest clowns ever to enter the house of commons in the shape of Gove and especially Nicky Morgan. What a waste of space they are.
i agree they were both worse than useless but she has now got that idiot clown Boris as Foreign secretary and Liam fox, didnt he resign from defence secretary over expenses and allow his friend to come long on trips abroad?
as if our reputation abroad wasnt already in shreds?
what is May thinking of ?
I think with Boris she is being quite clever. She is saying "You wanted Brexit - you can deal with the fallout from foreign nations". He fails in any way he pretty much finishes his own political career. Therefore he HAS to succeed. Liam Fox is a curious one (being military) I don't particularly like him from his days as defence secretary.
Where we see a figure of fun it seems the rest of the world see a bigot - what sort of message are we sending to the rest of the world?
Having insulted Obama, Hillary and Trump what does he do if they all decline meetings with him. Oh and throw in the French and Germans. Will he quit as he is unable to do his job?0 -
TheBigBean wrote:I think David Davis rather than Boris is likely to be the one negotiating Brexit. I suspect Boris got the job for two reasons: (i) unite the Tories (ii) it's a role that is likely to suit him.
Somebody posted a link to Conservative Home earlier this week. The author of that swivel eyed optimism was David Davis.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
Having insulted Obama, Hillary and Trump what does he do if they all decline meetings with him. Oh and throw in the French and Germans.
That would be unprecedented. In the grand scheme of evil politicians he is pretty low on the list. I'm not sure he has killed or tortured anyone for starters.0 -
Wallace and Gromit wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
Presumably will focus on enhancing trade relationships around the world.
By engineering amusing gaffes in foreign capitals the world over.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
Having insulted Obama, Hillary and Trump what does he do if they all decline meetings with him. Oh and throw in the French and Germans.
That would be unprecedented. In the grand scheme of evil politicians he is pretty low on the list. I'm not sure he has killed or tortured anyone for starters.
He described Hillary as looking like a sadistic nurse in a mental institution. I think she would be within her rights to find reasons for not having a meeting. Oh and he compared Merkel to the nazis so I doubt he will be on her priority list.
The a-hole has been making up crap for a weekly Telegraph column for over two decades I imagine these stories will keep coming.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:I think David Davis rather than Boris is likely to be the one negotiating Brexit. I suspect Boris got the job for two reasons: (i) unite the Tories (ii) it's a role that is likely to suit him.
Somebody posted a link to Conservative Home earlier this week. The author of that swivel eyed optimism was David Davis.
odd bloke Davis, currently taking the Gov to court, a EU court ffs!
and a member of the territorial SAS !
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 35976.html0 -
Lookyhere wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:I think David Davis rather than Boris is likely to be the one negotiating Brexit. I suspect Boris got the job for two reasons: (i) unite the Tories (ii) it's a role that is likely to suit him.
Somebody posted a link to Conservative Home earlier this week. The author of that swivel eyed optimism was David Davis.
odd bloke Davis, currently taking the Gov to court, a EU court ffs!
and a member of the territorial SAS !
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 35976.html
Why do people think we want a "hard negotiator" ? What we need is a "good negotiator"0 -
They are under the impression that a hard negotiator is a good negotiator?You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
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Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
Having insulted Obama, Hillary and Trump what does he do if they all decline meetings with him. Oh and throw in the French and Germans.
That would be unprecedented. In the grand scheme of evil politicians he is pretty low on the list. I'm not sure he has killed or tortured anyone for starters.
He described Hillary as looking like a sadistic nurse in a mental institution. I think she would be within her rights to find reasons for not having a meeting. Oh and he compared Merkel to the nazis so I doubt he will be on her priority list.
The a-hole has been making up crap for a weekly Telegraph column for over two decades I imagine these stories will keep coming.
Politics is a game and if you play, you play by the rules which includes talking to people. If any of them were that thin skinned they wouldn't be in politics.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
Having insulted Obama, Hillary and Trump what does he do if they all decline meetings with him. Oh and throw in the French and Germans.
That would be unprecedented. In the grand scheme of evil politicians he is pretty low on the list. I'm not sure he has killed or tortured anyone for starters.
He described Hillary as looking like a sadistic nurse in a mental institution. I think she would be within her rights to find reasons for not having a meeting. Oh and he compared Merkel to the nazis so I doubt he will be on her priority list.
The a-hole has been making up crap for a weekly Telegraph column for over two decades I imagine these stories will keep coming.
Politics is a game and if you play, you play by the rules which includes talking to people. If any of them were that thin skinned they wouldn't be in politics.
Every political commentator bangs on about personal relationships and connections.
You really see no downside to the clown personally abusing the current and future president of the world's largest economy. And comparing Merkel to Hitler.0 -
He's a character for sure, no doubt about that. It will blow over in time however without a doubt.
Let's not forget how international diplomacy works; Russia is a social pariah but trade still goes on with that nation.
In living memory of many folk Germany tried to rule the world and exterminate a whole race and yet it's now the driving force in the EU.
China has a horrendous human rights record and it's the 2nd biggest economy and the West suck up to it.. In light of these things Boris and his gaffes are a trifle matter.Outside the rat race and proud of it0 -
I certainly didn't say that. I was just pointing out that the statement "they all decline meetings with him" is a little absurd.0
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Notice the question Johnson avoids ... how the FO and the BO (Brexit Office) will work together ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 37056.html
I suspect some battles royal ahead.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
And comparing Merkel to Hitler.
Plus, I would count this statement to be misleading at best if it refers to the quote below. Misleading on an internet forum is entirely fair game, but you have been making a fuss over Boris's porky pies.“Napoleon, Hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically,” he says.
“The EU is an attempt to do this by different methods.
“But fundamentally what is lacking is the eternal problem, which is that there is no underlying loyalty to the idea of Europe. There is no single authority that anybody respects or understands. That is causing this massive democratic void.”0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
And comparing Merkel to Hitler.
Plus, I would count this statement to be misleading at best if it refers to the quote below. Misleading on an internet forum is entirely fair game, but you have been making a fuss over Boris's porky pies.“Napoleon, Hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically,” he says.
“The EU is an attempt to do this by different methods.
“But fundamentally what is lacking is the eternal problem, which is that there is no underlying loyalty to the idea of Europe. There is no single authority that anybody respects or understands. That is causing this massive democratic void.”
Full interview in the DT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... itler-did/0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
And comparing Merkel to Hitler.
Plus, I would count this statement to be misleading at best if it refers to the quote below. Misleading on an internet forum is entirely fair game, but you have been making a fuss over Boris's porky pies.“Napoleon, Hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically,” he says.
“The EU is an attempt to do this by different methods.
“But fundamentally what is lacking is the eternal problem, which is that there is no underlying loyalty to the idea of Europe. There is no single authority that anybody respects or understands. That is causing this massive democratic void.”
Full interview in the DT
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/14/boris-johnson-the-eu-wants-a-superstate-just-as-hitler-did</span>/
Yes that is quote I provided you with and it really doesn't support your statement.0 -
Meanwhile back in the real world.
Just another single example: client's son, Masters degree, done his year's worth of various internships, smart cookie, multilingual. Had a job offer in one of the major Swiss banks in London, because of Brexit that initiative now cancelled, indeed the bloke he would have been reporting to is moving from London to Geneva, job offer withdrawn. Salami slicing in action.
But it'll all be fine, rather than this guy, his would-have-been boss, and no doubt others paying taxes in the UK, some unemployed 'Spooner in Scunthorpe has his country back.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
And comparing Merkel to Hitler.
Plus, I would count this statement to be misleading at best if it refers to the quote below. Misleading on an internet forum is entirely fair game, but you have been making a fuss over Boris's porky pies.“Napoleon, Hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically,” he says.
“The EU is an attempt to do this by different methods.
“But fundamentally what is lacking is the eternal problem, which is that there is no underlying loyalty to the idea of Europe. There is no single authority that anybody respects or understands. That is causing this massive democratic void.”
Full interview in the DT
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/14/boris-johnson-the-eu-wants-a-superstate-just-as-hitler-did</span>/
Yes that is quote I provided you with and it really doesn't support your statement.
He compares the EU to the Nazis. Everybody sees Merkel as the de facto leader. Do you think he was comparing her to Martin Boorman?0
