BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

veronese68

TheBigBean wrote:

I'm yet to hear a single person try to address any of the reasons that the nanny might have been a bit miffed with the status quo.

I asked my sister in law why she voted leave. And the answer was "because of all the laws they impose on us". So I asked her to name one and she couldn't. I said I could name lots of EU regulations that had improved things and asked her if she couldn't be specific just a general area they had restricted us and she couldn't. So she voted on a vague gut feeling based on years of lies about blaming the EU for anything vaguely wrong.

bobmcstuff

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Bo Duke wrote:

gaffer_slow wrote:

... and the many of the FSTE 100 "rises" with a drop in currency. giving the appearance of higher/rise in value

I thought it was because of population growth?

Why don't you explain why you are so adamant that economic migration is not good for economic growth

I assume from the smiley face he is well aware that GDP growth and the nominal value of the FTSE 100 are not the same thing.

veronese68

bobmcstuff wrote:

I assume from the smiley face he is well aware that GDP growth and the nominal value of the FTSE 100 are not the same thing.

I thought it was because ignorance is bliss.

bendertherobot

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 0707110366

DeVlaeminck

Veronese68 wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

I'm yet to hear a single person try to address any of the reasons that the nanny might have been a bit miffed with the status quo.

I asked my sister in law why she voted leave. And the answer was "because of all the laws they impose on us". So I asked her to name one and she couldn't. I said I could name lots of EU regulations that had improved things and asked her if she couldn't be specific just a general area they had restricted us and she couldn't. So she voted on a vague gut feeling based on years of lies about blaming the EU for anything vaguely wrong.

Maybe that wasn't the real reason she voted leave.

twist83

What this man said. I work for a German company company and am implanted in an Italian owned firm who manufacture helicopters.

The red tape and slowly slowly attitude to regulations and bureaucracy is staggering in Italy.

In my role I have close contact with HMRC for my sins. They have battened down the hatches somewhat. When we have seeked advice on the recent UCC (Unified customs code) which ironically may now become largely irrelevant they are being advised not to really advise. Thus leaving us in limbo.

We are getting cagey responses regarding the above as our Military End Use certs are approaching expiry, our IP, OPR and End Use Auths are in the same boat. Which could leave us having to duty pay EVERY item which would increase spend on duty by approx £10 Million a year.

Regular industry workshops which are steered in some way by HMRC and BIS have all been cancelled until further notice as well.

HMRC CHIEF system is also not being updated with Tariff code changes, thus our system states the code should end 90 as per the Tariff but CHIEF systems says no it isn't. When challenged, we are told. We cannot update them currently.

HMRC are massively understaffed now with huge centralization going on. This is going to cause absolute chaos further down the road I fear especially when it comes to implementing any trade deals or special tariffs.

We operate a quite complex Customs duty system bolted onto SAP due to the nature of products we deal with under our Customs Warehousing scheme and things are falling over already.

Happy Days

Stevo 666 wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Italy may have more pragmatism in that area but the beaurocracy and general lack of business friendliness in my experience is still a long way off the mark. I won't go into details here but both countries have been real battlegrounds for my group.

veronese68

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Maybe that wasn't the real reason she voted leave.

Possibly not, I suspect her husband had something to do with it but the coward was keeping suspiciously quiet.

rick_chasey

PBlakeney wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Sure. But the question wasn't "do you want the status quo?" It was a question about the EU
Gargh.

Some people thought is was.

Rick Chasey wrote:

Eugh. For the last time. It's a choice for 'status quo' or 'something different'...

Yeah. In the context of the EU. As in "do you want the EU status quo?".


As opposed to in general. Take any quote out of context and you can do what you want with it.

bobmcstuff

twist83 wrote:

What this man said. I work for a German company company and am implanted in an Italian owned firm who manufacture helicopters.

Don't know if you were trying to keep the company secret - is there more than one Italian helicopter manufacturer?

pblakeney

In full. I was never keen on Status Quo.

Rick Chasey wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

I agree with him that the UK, alongside Germany & France are the big 3 in Europe. It is why I have the belief that one of these countries has to take the lead on where the EU is going. That it obviously not going to be Germany or France so it is down to Britain again to show leadership in Europe as we are big enough to stand up to the EU bullying rhetoric that is be put out by senior European politicians.

But leaving isn't showing leadership, it's having a hissy fit, spitting the dummy, throwing your toys and stomping out never to be allowed back in. Or at least not with such favourable terms.
Showing leadership would be to stay in and try to change things for the better.

We keep being told this. Time for the remainers to step up.

What proof/evidence is there that remaining will change things for the better?

Eugh. For the last time. It's a choice for 'status quo' or 'something different'. It's literally in the word 'remain'.
definition:
Remain: verb
- to continue to exist
- to continue to possess a particular quality

twist83

bobmcstuff wrote:

twist83 wrote:

What this man said. I work for a German company company and am implanted in an Italian owned firm who manufacture helicopters.

Don't know if you were trying to keep the company secret - is there more than one Italian helicopter manufacturer?

Well technically we are a British manufacturer owned by a Italian one Nope I believe there is not.

Nope not trying to keep a secret. Just pointing out the countries involved as it is relevant to Brexit.

rick_chasey

Again. In context.

darkhairedlord

twist83 wrote:

We operate a quite complex Customs duty system bolted onto SAP....

Happy Days

bendertherobot

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

Couple of interesting ones. I don't think any will succeed but, in at least some of these, there may be scope for the ECJ being the ultimate appeal Court........

briantrumpet

bendertherobot wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/legal-attempt-prevent-brexit-preliminary-hearing-article-50?CMP=fb_gu

Couple of interesting ones. I don't think any will succeed but, in at least some of these, there may be scope for the ECJ being the ultimate appeal Court........

Also interesting to read that support for the far-right parties in Europe, and their calls for referendums on Frexit/Nexit/Whereverexit has declined since Brexit, seeing the sh1tstorm we've brought on ourselves (if this report is to be believed.)

Stevo_666

Looks like Italy is the biggest political risk based on the level of support for the 'Five Star' party. It is also the biggest economic risk:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/italys-political-and-economic-crisis-threatens-europes-stability-2016-7
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21701756-italys-teetering-banks-will-be-europes-next-crisis-italian-job

Possibly the first big Euro domino to topple?

gaffer_slow

BelgianBeerGeek on Sat May 16, 2015 wrote:

I think I have said elsewhere that the Tories will tear themselves apart over this. my prediction is that Cameron will appear to be tough on this, and bluff the electorate. No politician would willingly enter into a refendum they might "lose". But he will, Boris and the rest of his chums will have the knives out. They all know this is a poisonous topic for the Conservatives, and it will be Dave C who ends up with the daggers in his back. He is either a naive idiot badly informed by his policy wonks, or he has done a deal to take the hit, resign and move over for another person. He has already said he is not doing a third term. Lord Cameron of Newquay sounds good, doesn't it?
Don't believe the UK voters would vote to stay in the EU. After all, everything is the fault of foreigners, right?

What utter tosh!

Ballysmate on Tue May 19, 2015 wrote:

I am not trying to be negative, I would just like someone to explain why it would be disastrous for us to leave.
This is a genuine request because come the referendum we all need to know. Perhaps someone from business could explain how we would suffer. If the prospect would be bad for UK or rUK we really need to know how and why.

People will be told. They won't care or will be persuaded it's lies. When it happens they will delude themselves.

Rick Chasey Wed May 20, 2015 wrote:

The world's gonna be different in 10 years?

There will be a short adjustment period

Mr Goo on Fri May 15, 2015 wrote:

CaMoron

You might not like our Prime Minister, but i think you will find that the alternatives are much worse.

surrey_commuter

gaffer_slow wrote:

BelgianBeerGeek on Sat May 16, 2015 wrote:

I think I have said elsewhere that the Tories will tear themselves apart over this. my prediction is that Cameron will appear to be tough on this, and bluff the electorate. No politician would willingly enter into a refendum they might "lose". But he will, Boris and the rest of his chums will have the knives out. They all know this is a poisonous topic for the Conservatives, and it will be Dave C who ends up with the daggers in his back. He is either a naive idiot badly informed by his policy wonks, or he has done a deal to take the hit, resign and move over for another person. He has already said he is not doing a third term. Lord Cameron of Newquay sounds good, doesn't it?
Don't believe the UK voters would vote to stay in the EU. After all, everything is the fault of foreigners, right?

What utter tosh!

Ballysmate on Tue May 19, 2015 wrote:

I am not trying to be negative, I would just like someone to explain why it would be disastrous for us to leave.
This is a genuine request because come the referendum we all need to know. Perhaps someone from business could explain how we would suffer. If the prospect would be bad for UK or rUK we really need to know how and why.

People will be told. They won't care or will be persuaded it's lies. When it happens they will delude themselves.

Rick Chasey Wed May 20, 2015 wrote:

The world's gonna be different in 10 years?

There will be a short adjustment period

Mr Goo on Fri May 15, 2015 wrote:

CaMoron

You might not like our Prime Minister, but i think you will find that the alternatives are much worse.

There are some wise people on here - all written a year ago

Pituophis

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Another thing...

Turkeys voting for Xmas doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is that their owners have not even considered their living conditions as a cause.

For all the comments I hear about someone's ignorant nanny voting for Brexit and causing financial pain for the employer (Greek holiday costs more, contract cancelled etc.), I'm yet to hear a single person try to address any of the reasons that the nanny might have been a bit miffed with the status quo. I've heard lots of people blamed for the status quo, but no one takes responsibility and no one proposes any changes - especially not ones that would affect themselves.

I don't know the stats so I will ask the question. Are people worse off or is it perception? Ie are they not doing as well as their parents or looking at the rich and feeling, rightly or wrongly that our society has got more unequal.

Whatever the answer to that question (and I agree it has not been asked let alone answered) these people will be hit the hardest by an economic slowdown.

Surrey, if it seems like I am only "arguing/debating" with you in particular, I assure you it it nothing more than coincidence, honest. :oops:

We have just had the conclusion and subsequent report, that child poverty has increased by 10% in this country over the last three years alone. If child poverty has increased, so has their parents. So yes, it has been asked, and answered.
The fact that the results were released during the height of the Brexit pandemonium, could be seen by the more cynical amongst us (well, me) as a way of playing the unsavoury conclusion down? As we all know, it is a very well practiced political technique to release a snippet of bad news at the same time as a major public interest story.
That way, anyone not directly affected can say "well, there are far more important things to worry about" and promptly forget all about it. Works every time.

surrey_commuter

Pituophis wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Another thing...

Turkeys voting for Xmas doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is that their owners have not even considered their living conditions as a cause.

For all the comments I hear about someone's ignorant nanny voting for Brexit and causing financial pain for the employer (Greek holiday costs more, contract cancelled etc.), I'm yet to hear a single person try to address any of the reasons that the nanny might have been a bit miffed with the status quo. I've heard lots of people blamed for the status quo, but no one takes responsibility and no one proposes any changes - especially not ones that would affect themselves.

I don't know the stats so I will ask the question. Are people worse off or is it perception? Ie are they not doing as well as their parents or looking at the rich and feeling, rightly or wrongly that our society has got more unequal.

Whatever the answer to that question (and I agree it has not been asked let alone answered) these people will be hit the hardest by an economic slowdown.

Surrey, if it seems like I am only "arguing/debating" with you in particular, I assure you it it nothing more than coincidence, honest. :oops:

We have just had the conclusion and subsequent report, that child poverty has increased by 10% in this country over the last three years alone. If child poverty has increased, so has their parents. So yes, it has been asked, and answered.
The fact that the results were released during the height of the Brexit pandemonium, could be seen by the more cynical amongst us (well, me) as a way of playing the unsavoury conclusion down? As we all know, it is a very well practiced political technique to release a snippet of bad news at the same time as a major public interest story.
That way, anyone not directly affected can say "well, there are far more important things to worry about" and promptly forget all about it. Works every time.

TheBigBean

Pituophis wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Another thing...

Turkeys voting for Xmas doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is that their owners have not even considered their living conditions as a cause.

For all the comments I hear about someone's ignorant nanny voting for Brexit and causing financial pain for the employer (Greek holiday costs more, contract cancelled etc.), I'm yet to hear a single person try to address any of the reasons that the nanny might have been a bit miffed with the status quo. I've heard lots of people blamed for the status quo, but no one takes responsibility and no one proposes any changes - especially not ones that would affect themselves.

I don't know the stats so I will ask the question. Are people worse off or is it perception? Ie are they not doing as well as their parents or looking at the rich and feeling, rightly or wrongly that our society has got more unequal.

Whatever the answer to that question (and I agree it has not been asked let alone answered) these people will be hit the hardest by an economic slowdown.

Surrey, if it seems like I am only "arguing/debating" with you in particular, I assure you it it nothing more than coincidence, honest. :oops:

We have just had the conclusion and subsequent report, that child poverty has increased by 10% in this country over the last three years alone. If child poverty has increased, so has their parents. So yes, it has been asked, and answered.
The fact that the results were released during the height of the Brexit pandemonium, could be seen by the more cynical amongst us (well, me) as a way of playing the unsavoury conclusion down? As we all know, it is a very well practiced political technique to release a snippet of bad news at the same time as a major public interest story.
That way, anyone not directly affected can say "well, there are far more important things to worry about" and promptly forget all about it. Works every time.

I saw the above report, but in general, I haven't read many reports about rising inequality. It seemed pretty clear to me that it was rising and there was a lot of dissatisfaction with it, and that's despite the fact I live in a complete bubble.

One of the most foolish things said in the Brexit debate was when Osbourne tried to scare people that house prices would fall. He somewhat missed the point that there is a large number of people who think this would be a great thing.

Stevo_666

TheBigBean wrote:

One of the most foolish things said in the Brexit debate was when Osbourne tried to scare people that house prices would fall. He somewhat missed the point that there is a large number of people who think this would be a great thing.

Ironically some of the staunchest remain supporters on here were also the ones complaining loudly about property prices not too long ago.

gaffer_slow

leaving the EU is probably the worse way to get house prices to go down.

rick_chasey

gaffer_slow wrote:

leaving the EU is probably the worse way to get house prices to go down.

It's like cutting your leg off to deal with an ingrowing toe nail.

Stevo_666

gaffer_slow wrote:

leaving the EU is probably the worse way to get house prices to go down.

Its a side effect not the aim, obviously :roll: . But every cloud has a silver lining as they say.

briantrumpet

Rick Chasey wrote:

gaffer_slow wrote:

leaving the EU is probably the worse way to get house prices to go down.

It's like cutting your leg off to deal with an ingrowing toe nail.

Amongst the many brilliant cartoons on offer (this week's Private Eye has a good page of them), this is still my favourite:

rick_chasey

Ha!!

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

gaffer_slow wrote:

leaving the EU is probably the worse way to get house prices to go down.

Its a side effect not the aim, obviously :roll: . But every cloud has a silver lining as they say.

Keeping the amputation theme going, this is a bit like saying that immediate weight loss with no dieting is a benefit of having your leg chopped off.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

gaffer_slow wrote:

leaving the EU is probably the worse way to get house prices to go down.

Its a side effect not the aim, obviously :roll: . But every cloud has a silver lining as they say.

Keeping the amputation theme going, this is a bit like saying that immediate weight loss with no dieting is a benefit of having your leg chopped off.

More of a separation than an amputation. As I said, every cloud has a silver lining. I wsd just pointing out a positive to some of the house price whingers.

Stevo_666