BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

rick_chasey

Cabbies? I've made one stop half way and refused to pay after his rants against EU immigrants. He didn't take the hint after I told him I was one.

Free riding bloody immigrants, taking the p!ss eh?

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

The EU will never compromise on freedom of movement.

They never have. It doesn't mean they never will.

They compromised for Lichtenstein.

A brief read suggests that happened over 20 years ago when they were setting up the EEA. A Third of their population is foreign and they have a rising number o; German/Swiss commuters.

Please point me in the direction of a serious source that says this is even a remote possibility- I would love to believe it could happen

rick_chasey

FWIW Farage resigning is the #1 story on the 6pm news here in Holland.

TheBigBean

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

The EU will never compromise on freedom of movement.

They never have. It doesn't mean they never will.

They compromised for Lichtenstein.

A brief read suggests that happened over 20 years ago when they were setting up the EEA. A Third of their population is foreign and they have a rising number o; German/Swiss commuters.

Please point me in the direction of a serious source that says this is even a remote possibility- I would love to believe it could happen

I didn't say it was likely for the UK, just that factually there is a restriction in Lichtenstein

finchy

Rick Chasey wrote:

FWIW Farage resigning is the #1 story on the 6pm news here in Holland.

Chris Evans quitting is a bigger news story on the BBC.

ukiboy

Good 'ol Nige! Love him or hate him there's no denying he stuck to his guns from the start. The only politician who was single minded and unwavering on the subject of the EU.

Well done Nigel and thank you for your hard work and efforts in gaining freedom for the UK.

surrey_commuter

ukiboy wrote:

Good 'ol Nige! Love him or hate him there's no denying he stuck to his guns from the start. The only politician who was single minded and unwavering on the subject of the EU.

Well done Nigel and thank you for your hard work and efforts in gaining freedom for the UK.

A true colossus who should get more credit for the ending of slavery

ukiboy

You knows? Viewed through the filter of history, perhaps Nigel Farage will be viewed in a similar light to William Wilberforce. After all, WW would have been hugely unpopular and edgy back in his day..

verylonglegs

Yes, all those people who's residency status is being used as a political football right now must be really keen to thank him for their freedom.

norvernrob

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

They have never had a a member state leave before either. It is uncharted waters for the EU. There are no absolutes here.

We left because freedom of movement was a massive issue for our electorate. It is on the table for negotiation whether the federalists like it or not.

I have not seen one serious report which suggests it is up for negotiation. We can put it on the table but it will get swept straight off. It is fanciful thinking and stops us from moving forwards.

Can you point me in the direction of what it is that makes you think it is negotiable

Worlds 5th biggest economy with massive trade deficits to EU countries.

It's not about what we have as part of the EU, those deals mean absolutely nothing to a non-member, and that's where we should be starting from. We strike a deal based on what we have to offer the EU.

If there is still free movement of people into the UK after this, UKIP will win 100+ seats at the next GE.

Where are all the news headlines of aggression to people in the streets btw? I live in the north, and work around hundreds of Eastern European migrants, many of which live 10 to a house and don't work (the very migrants that people are supposed to be angry with) and I've seen nothing whatsoever. Nothing is any different.

surrey_commuter

ukiboy wrote:

You knows? Viewed through the filter of history, perhaps Nigel Farage will be viewed in a similar light to William Wilberforce. After all, WW would have been hugely unpopular and edgy back in his day..

A true giant of a man be-striding the planet like a modern day hybrid of Ghengis Khan and Mahatma Ghandi

surrey_commuter

NorvernRob wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

They have never had a a member state leave before either. It is uncharted waters for the EU. There are no absolutes here.

We left because freedom of movement was a massive issue for our electorate. It is on the table for negotiation whether the federalists like it or not.

I have not seen one serious report which suggests it is up for negotiation. We can put it on the table but it will get swept straight off. It is fanciful thinking and stops us from moving forwards.

Can you point me in the direction of what it is that makes you think it is negotiable

Worlds 5th biggest economy with massive trade deficits to EU countries.

It's not about what we have as part of the EU, those deals mean absolutely nothing to a non-member, and that's where we should be starting from. We strike a deal based on what we have to offer the EU.

If there is still free movement of people into the UK after this, UKIP will win 100+ seats at the next GE.

We will strike a deal - this will be what they are prepared to offer us and that will depend on what we have to offer and that includes free movement.

Everything I read says that free movement is the cornerstone of he EU.

Please point me in the direction of a serious source that says they will give up one of their core principles.

surrey_commuter

NorvernRob wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

They have never had a a member state leave before either. It is uncharted waters for the EU. There are no absolutes here.

We left because freedom of movement was a massive issue for our electorate. It is on the table for negotiation whether the federalists like it or not.

I have not seen one serious report which suggests it is up for negotiation. We can put it on the table but it will get swept straight off. It is fanciful thinking and stops us from moving forwards.

Can you point me in the direction of what it is that makes you think it is negotiable

Worlds 5th biggest economy with massive trade deficits to EU countries.

It's not about what we have as part of the EU, those deals mean absolutely nothing to a non-member, and that's where we should be starting from. We strike a deal based on what we have to offer the EU.

If there is still free movement of people into the UK after this, UKIP will win 100+ seats at the next GE.

Where are all the news headlines of aggression to people in the streets btw? I live in the north, and work around hundreds of Eastern European migrants, many of which live 10 to a house and don't work (the very migrants that people are supposed to be angry with) and I've seen nothing whatsoever. Nothing is any different.

I work with them. Many have been here several years (long enough for citizenship) and for the first time they are getting verbals for being European (ironically one is S. African)

Google is your friend when looking for news headlines - reporting up 400%

rick_chasey

Anyone got a pension with SL?? Or a big mortgage..

bobmcstuff

I have a load of ISA in one of their funds. But not that one fortunately...

gaffer_slow

will be interesting to see how much Treasury revenues drop.

A50 is just not practical, 90% of politicians know it - and other than the radicals (Gove) and stupid (Leadsom) all the politicians know it. It is just going to be a case of controlling and developing a narrative until they can say "with deep regret ......". Sadly the country's finances, economy and social structures are going to suffer terribly in the meantime.

And if those canny Scots can get EU-entry assurances (not impossible) before Westminster officially bottles Brexit, they might manage to steal large parts of the golden goose.

morstar

The below quote is from an Australian MP following their elections.

"I think there's a sense of alienation from mainstream politics that allows for populist parties… to be able to present simplistic answers to what can be very complex problems," he said.

That's quite a neat summary. Hardly a sound foundation for changing the entire direction of our country.

surrey_commuter

gaffer_slow wrote:

will be interesting to see how much Treasury revenues drop.

A50 is just not practical, 90% of politicians know it - and other than the radicals (Gove) and stupid (Leadsom) all the politicians know it. It is just going to be a case of controlling and developing a narrative until they can say "with deep regret ......". Sadly the country's finances, economy and social structures are going to suffer terribly in the meantime.

And if those canny Scots can get EU-entry assurances (not impossible) before Westminster officially bottles Brexit, they might manage to steal large parts of the golden goose.

I think you are guilty of wishful thinking. All of those politicians knew the economic consequences of Brexit so I can not see them doing an abrupt about turn just because it is even worse than they had anticipated.

The only way Scots will get EU membership is if the rest of us leave the UK. I think Sturgeon is playing Westminster and her electorate and EU are using her to play Westminster

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

Anyone got a pension with SL?? Or a big mortgage..

Corporate Bonds next?

mamba80

Surrey Commuter wrote:

gaffer_slow wrote:

will be interesting to see how much Treasury revenues drop.

A50 is just not practical, 90% of politicians know it - and other than the radicals (Gove) and stupid (Leadsom) all the politicians know it. It is just going to be a case of controlling and developing a narrative until they can say "with deep regret ......". Sadly the country's finances, economy and social structures are going to suffer terribly in the meantime.

And if those canny Scots can get EU-entry assurances (not impossible) before Westminster officially bottles Brexit, they might manage to steal large parts of the golden goose.

I think you are guilty of wishful thinking. All of those politicians knew the economic consequences of Brexit so I can not see them doing an abrupt about turn just because it is even worse than they had anticipated.

The only way Scots will get EU membership is if the rest of us leave the UK. I think Sturgeon is playing Westminster and her electorate and EU are using her to play Westminster

if you look at the turmoil the mere suggestion of brexit has caused, you can see that when the date is set and A50 is triggered, we will be thrown into a downward spiral that will see us become Northern Europes very own Greece.

by delaying triggering A50, they are allowing everyone to see the whole range of problems and the economic downturn it will cause, not too mention May suggesting EU nationals could be deported.

Of course, they might just be as stupid as the people who voted Leave and go for A50.

surrey_commuter

mamba80 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

gaffer_slow wrote:

will be interesting to see how much Treasury revenues drop.

A50 is just not practical, 90% of politicians know it - and other than the radicals (Gove) and stupid (Leadsom) all the politicians know it. It is just going to be a case of controlling and developing a narrative until they can say "with deep regret ......". Sadly the country's finances, economy and social structures are going to suffer terribly in the meantime.

And if those canny Scots can get EU-entry assurances (not impossible) before Westminster officially bottles Brexit, they might manage to steal large parts of the golden goose.

I think you are guilty of wishful thinking. All of those politicians knew the economic consequences of Brexit so I can not see them doing an abrupt about turn just because it is even worse than they had anticipated.

The only way Scots will get EU membership is if the rest of us leave the UK. I think Sturgeon is playing Westminster and her electorate and EU are using her to play Westminster

if you look at the turmoil the mere suggestion of brexit has caused, you can see that when the date is set and A50 is triggered, we will be thrown into a downward spiral that will see us become Northern Europes very own Greece.

by delaying triggering A50, they are allowing everyone to see the whole range of problems and the economic downturn it will cause, not too mention May suggesting EU nationals could be deported.

Of course, they might just be as stupid as the people who voted Leave and go for A50.

A50 is already priced in. You have to believe there are some very bright people advising them and that they will listen. Delaying makes sense as we have to unravel 43 years of integration in two years.

Read in detail what May said. Her argument is that if you basically offer citizenship to EU citizens already here you risk a tidal wave of immigration up to the cut off date. The logical thing to do is to announce the policy with it being applicable from that date.

I think they have a variety of drivers, in no particular order;
Stupidity
Conviction
Career

pblakeney

Surrey Commuter wrote:

...I think they have a variety of drivers, in no particular order;
Stupidity
Conviction
Career

I could narrow that down to two.

kingstongraham

mamba80 wrote:

not too mention May suggesting EU nationals could be deported.

It would be ridiculous to make a cast iron guarantee without getting a reciprocal guarantee about UK nationals in other EU countries. Wouldn't it?

ugo.santalucia

KingstonGraham wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

not too mention May suggesting EU nationals could be deported.

It would be ridiculous to make a cast iron guarantee without getting a reciprocal guarantee about UK nationals in other EU countries. Wouldn't it?

So basically in a war against ISIS you would decapitate prisoners because the enemy does so with your soldiers...
eye for eye, That's encouraging for the future of this nation... I think you should be better than that

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

Anyone got a pension with SL?? Or a big mortgage..

I think I have a small amount of funds in the one mentioned. It's a very illiquid fund and has had restrictions imposed before in both directions. I probably should have moved it, but I'm not all that worried - it will still own some properties, just that those properties might be worth a bit less now.

TheBigBean

ugo.santalucia wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

not too mention May suggesting EU nationals could be deported.

It would be ridiculous to make a cast iron guarantee without getting a reciprocal guarantee about UK nationals in other EU countries. Wouldn't it?

So basically in a war against ISIS you would decapitate prisoners because the enemy does so with your soldiers...
eye for eye, That's encouraging for the future of this nation... I think you should be better than that

If you were Corbyn that would be reported as comparing EU residents to ISIS.

coopster_the_1st

TheBigBean wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

not too mention May suggesting EU nationals could be deported.

It would be ridiculous to make a cast iron guarantee without getting a reciprocal guarantee about UK nationals in other EU countries. Wouldn't it?

So basically in a war against ISIS you would decapitate prisoners because the enemy does so with your soldiers...
eye for eye, That's encouraging for the future of this nation... I think you should be better than that

If you were Corbyn that would be reported as comparing EU residents to ISIS.

You do have to worry where his thinking is if he is going to bring ISIS into this.

Why haven't the EU not confirmed their policy on UK nationals in the EU?

How can the UK guarantee continued free healthcare to EU nationals when there is not a reciprocal agreement for UK nationals?

Jez mon

With regards to the trade deficit to the EU, which side does that actually give the advantage to in negations?

kingstongraham

ugo.santalucia wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

not too mention May suggesting EU nationals could be deported.

It would be ridiculous to make a cast iron guarantee without getting a reciprocal guarantee about UK nationals in other EU countries. Wouldn't it?

So basically in a war against ISIS you would decapitate prisoners because the enemy does so with your soldiers...
eye for eye, That's encouraging for the future of this nation... I think you should be better than that

Erm.... you think that our relationship with the EU is comparable to a war with terrorists? That is definitely not encouraging.

Can we agree that implying that was what I thought was a stupid thing to suggest? We can play reductio ad absurdum both ways if you like, and not get any sense spoken at all.

ugo.santalucia

Coopster the 1st wrote:

How can the UK guarantee continued free healthcare to EU nationals....?

Could that be because money is taken out of my wage to pay for the NHS?