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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783

    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."

    Isn't the closure of Nandos a Brexit upside?
    Round here nobody forces you to eat there. We find it more civilised that way.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,602

    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."

    Isn't the closure of Nandos a Brexit upside?
    Round here nobody forces you to eat there. We find it more civilised that way.
    and they have table service
  • pangolinpangolin Posts: 3,966

    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."

    Isn't the closure of Nandos a Brexit upside?
    Round here nobody forces you to eat there. We find it more civilised that way.
    Is Frangos still a going concern?
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  • john80john80 Posts: 2,425

    I am sure that previously specialist agencies would have recruited drivers from across the EU. What is worrying is that we have not added HGV drivers to a list of required professions which suggests that once again ideology is getting the better of economics

    I think I read somewhere that the DVLA says there are quite a lot of people with HGV licences, so they see it more as commercial issue. Why are these people not driving HGVs? Because they can earn more in better conditions doing something else.
    One of my mates probably won't be leaving his high paid employment law career to drive an hgv. He has a license like many for his motorhome.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Chicken producers blame Brexit for staff and supply shortages
    Government urged to relax UK immigration rules after one in six jobs left unfilled since EU departure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu
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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,066
    elbowloh said:

    Chicken producers blame Brexit for staff and supply shortages
    Government urged to relax UK immigration rules after one in six jobs left unfilled since EU departure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu

    The indignation with which people expect to hire poorly paid people to do bad jobs is quite remarkable.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078

    elbowloh said:

    Chicken producers blame Brexit for staff and supply shortages
    Government urged to relax UK immigration rules after one in six jobs left unfilled since EU departure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu

    The indignation with which people expect to hire poorly paid people to do bad jobs is quite remarkable.
    Doesn't bother me much as I don't eat meat, but there's going to be a lot of unhappy voters if they can't get their Nandos / KFC / other Southern US States fried chicken.

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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here

    elbowloh said:

    Chicken producers blame Brexit for staff and supply shortages
    Government urged to relax UK immigration rules after one in six jobs left unfilled since EU departure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu

    The indignation with which people expect to hire poorly paid people to do bad jobs is quite remarkable.
    It is (was) a free market. People don't have to take the jobs.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,066

    elbowloh said:

    Chicken producers blame Brexit for staff and supply shortages
    Government urged to relax UK immigration rules after one in six jobs left unfilled since EU departure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu

    The indignation with which people expect to hire poorly paid people to do bad jobs is quite remarkable.
    It is (was) a free market. People don't have to take the jobs.
    Yes, it is a free market and people don't want those jobs. My point was the indignation about this is remarkable.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    edited 19 August

    elbowloh said:

    Chicken producers blame Brexit for staff and supply shortages
    Government urged to relax UK immigration rules after one in six jobs left unfilled since EU departure

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/19/chicken-producers-brexit-staff-supply-shortages-uk-immigration-jobs-eu

    The indignation with which people expect to hire poorly paid people to do bad jobs is quite remarkable.
    It is (was) a free market. People don't have to take the jobs.
    Yes, it is a free market and people don't want those jobs. My point was the indignation about this is remarkable.
    The indignation is coming from the people that have poultry businesses. I guess that indignation is because they're going to lose their businesses and livelihoods potentially. That would come up quite high on the list of things they give a shoite about I'd imagine. As I said up-thread, it doesn't really concern me, as i don't eat meat.

    The counter argument is that they could pay higher wages, but that means the fast food sellers also raising prices and pro-brexit voters did not vote for more expensive fried chicken.

    Maybe that should have been what "Project fear" should have focused on " a vote for brexit is a vote for turning your bargain bucket into just a bucket".
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,811
    elbowloh said:


    Maybe that should have been what "Project fear" should have focused on " a vote for brexit is a vote for turning your bargain bucket into just a bucket".

    They did.
    It was dismissed as Project Fear/Brexit at any cost.
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    elbowloh said:



    The counter argument is that they could pay higher wages, but that means the fast food sellers also raising prices and pro-brexit voters did not vote for more expensive fried chicken.

    Another counterpoint - yes they did.

  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078

    elbowloh said:



    The counter argument is that they could pay higher wages, but that means the fast food sellers also raising prices and pro-brexit voters did not vote for more expensive fried chicken.

    Another counterpoint - yes they did.

    So, the chickens are coming home to roost?

    The prices will come down again when Boris lets the US flood us with the chlorinated stuff. ;)
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  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,621
    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.

    Brian, it's traditional to blame Wiggle I believe :)

    I have ordered a few things from EU based suppliers who clearly don't have a UK establishment and it's all come through promptly. It's more likely to be French customs being being awkward/petty with British shipments.

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  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,621
    Stevo_666 said:

    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.

    Brian, it's traditional to blame Wiggle I believe :)

    I have ordered a few things from EU based suppliers who clearly don't have a UK establishment and it's all come through promptly. It's more likely to be French customs being being awkward/petty with British shipments.


    Quite possibly, re French customs, but that comes as no surprise. The surprise was that Wiggle haven't bothered to circumvent the likelihood, given their apparent previous ambitions.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,210
    edited 22 August
    Hmmm, it took me 3 weeks to receive two unremarkable base layers from Germany so I don't think we can blame this on french customs.

    Do Wiggle/CRC still have the Northern Ireland warehouse? That would be their EU base...

    Good idea this single market thing, eh?
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,674
    Stevo_666 said:

    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.

    Brian, it's traditional to blame Wiggle I believe :)

    I have ordered a few things from EU based suppliers who clearly don't have a UK establishment and it's all come through promptly. It's more likely to be French customs being being awkward/petty with British shipments.

    IIRC the UK haven't started doing checks inward yet
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    Stevo_666 said:

    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.

    Brian, it's traditional to blame Wiggle I believe :)

    I have ordered a few things from EU based suppliers who clearly don't have a UK establishment and it's all come through promptly. It's more likely to be French customs being being awkward/petty with British shipments.


    Quite possibly, re French customs, but that comes as no surprise. The surprise was that Wiggle haven't bothered to circumvent the likelihood, given their apparent previous ambitions.
    True, you would think that larger organisations would get set up accordingly.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,210

    Stevo_666 said:

    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.

    Brian, it's traditional to blame Wiggle I believe :)

    I have ordered a few things from EU based suppliers who clearly don't have a UK establishment and it's all come through promptly. It's more likely to be French customs being being awkward/petty with British shipments.

    IIRC the UK haven't started doing checks inward yet
    Also true...

    Seems they can still sit in a container in Coventry for quite some time though
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    Stevo_666 said:

    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.

    Brian, it's traditional to blame Wiggle I believe :)

    I have ordered a few things from EU based suppliers who clearly don't have a UK establishment and it's all come through promptly. It's more likely to be French customs being being awkward/petty with British shipments.

    IIRC the UK haven't started doing checks inward yet
    What sort of checks specifically? If we are talking lumps of metal and plastic, not sure what else is needed. They know enough to send me a bill for the import VAT already.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810
    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, it took me 3 weeks to receive two unremarkable base layers from Germany so I don't think we can blame this on french customs.

    Do Wiggle/CRC still have the Northern Ireland warehouse? That would be their EU base...

    Good idea this single market thing, eh?

    In which case, Wiggle have a single market base but still took 2 weeks to deliver to Brian...
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, it took me 3 weeks to receive two unremarkable base layers from Germany so I don't think we can blame this on french customs.

    Do Wiggle/CRC still have the Northern Ireland warehouse? That would be their EU base...

    Good idea this single market thing, eh?

    In which case, Wiggle have a single market base but still took 2 weeks to deliver to Brian...
    I think they closed it and moved to Wolverhampton in the name of efficiency.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,810

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, it took me 3 weeks to receive two unremarkable base layers from Germany so I don't think we can blame this on french customs.

    Do Wiggle/CRC still have the Northern Ireland warehouse? That would be their EU base...

    Good idea this single market thing, eh?

    In which case, Wiggle have a single market base but still took 2 weeks to deliver to Brian...
    I think they closed it and moved to Wolverhampton in the name of efficiency.
    I see they closed it a few years back. Back to French customs as the most likely cause of delay then.
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  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 7,621
    edited 22 August
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, it took me 3 weeks to receive two unremarkable base layers from Germany so I don't think we can blame this on french customs.

    Do Wiggle/CRC still have the Northern Ireland warehouse? That would be their EU base...

    Good idea this single market thing, eh?

    In which case, Wiggle have a single market base but still took 2 weeks to deliver to Brian...
    I think they closed it and moved to Wolverhampton in the name of efficiency.
    I see they closed it a few years back. Back to French customs as the most likely cause of delay then.

    French customs don't really have any incentive to speed things up (not that French bureaucracy has ever been known for speed). On the other hand, the UK would like to pretend that everything's fine.
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 16,674
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.

    Brian, it's traditional to blame Wiggle I believe :)

    I have ordered a few things from EU based suppliers who clearly don't have a UK establishment and it's all come through promptly. It's more likely to be French customs being being awkward/petty with British shipments.

    IIRC the UK haven't started doing checks inward yet
    What sort of checks specifically? If we are talking lumps of metal and plastic, not sure what else is needed. They know enough to send me a bill for the import VAT already.
    I may be conflating customs checks with the upcoming introduction of SPS checks etc on agrifood

    It was my understanding that while there were legal requirements on parcels coming from the EU, compliance checks weren't operating until later in the year. I may be entirely wrong.
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,811

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Intrigued to receive a delivery from Wiggle to France - took much longer than before, and was dispatched from Wolverhampton, with several sheets of paperwork included. Given that their global aspirations, and that the website quotes in Euros, I must admit I'm a bit surprised that they haven't established an EU base. I probably shan't use them again for France, given the two-week wait for delivery.

    Brian, it's traditional to blame Wiggle I believe :)

    I have ordered a few things from EU based suppliers who clearly don't have a UK establishment and it's all come through promptly. It's more likely to be French customs being being awkward/petty with British shipments.

    IIRC the UK haven't started doing checks inward yet
    What sort of checks specifically? If we are talking lumps of metal and plastic, not sure what else is needed. They know enough to send me a bill for the import VAT already.
    I may be conflating customs checks with the upcoming introduction of SPS checks etc on agrifood

    It was my understanding that while there were legal requirements on parcels coming from the EU, compliance checks weren't operating until later in the year. I may be entirely wrong.
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  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,602
    Seems the media have woken up to the shelves being a lot emptier than they were pre-Brexit.

    Unless Gove can work his magic this could be the optics they have been so desperate to avoid
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,756

    Seems the media have woken up to the shelves being a lot emptier than they were pre-Brexit.

    Unless Gove can work his magic this could be the optics they have been so desperate to avoid

    Government policy sticking firmly with no extra visas for HGV drivers: you'll just have to pay more to bribe people into driving lorries. I think they have even used the line 'this is what the public voted for'.
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  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
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