BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited August 2021
    Jezyboy said:

    Brexit saved me money on the fancy special edition alpecin fenix kit at the start of the tour.

    Same. Well, not Brexit obviously, because that's all done, but the status of the UK's ongoing relationship with the EU.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    How did it save you money...?

    (I liked it, but it suited MvdP way better than it would have done me... :( )
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    Correlation causation etc
    _
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    You want a daily reminder that Brexit was a bad idea?

    I don't need a daily reminder that it's no longer a big issue for me or most people.
    It is curious that you find the prospect of brexit more interesting than the actual consequences.

    I would hazard a guess if businesses around the UK were saying how great it all was you would be gloating, though feel free to disagree
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited August 2021
    ddraver said:

    How did it save you money...?

    (I liked it, but it suited MvdP way better than it would have done me... :( )

    Couldn't buy it.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    You want a daily reminder that Brexit was a bad idea?

    I don't need a daily reminder that it's no longer a big issue for me or most people.
    It is curious that you find the prospect of brexit more interesting than the actual consequences.

    I would hazard a guess if businesses around the UK were saying how great it all was you would be gloating, though feel free to disagree

    I'm surprised that Stevo hasn't chipped in to say how if only we'd still been in the EU how well our second jab rate would have been doing.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
    What are the locals saying Brexit, furlough or pingdemic?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,417
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    You want a daily reminder that Brexit was a bad idea?

    I don't need a daily reminder that it's no longer a big issue for me or most people.
    It is curious that you find the prospect of brexit more interesting than the actual consequences.

    I would hazard a guess if businesses around the UK were saying how great it all was you would be gloating, though feel free to disagree
    As mentioned before, it's no big deal either way. Life goes on with more important things to deal with.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,417
    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Brexit is done.

    What isn't done is how the relationship between the UK and the EU takes shape

    This will be a topic of discussion long after this forum ends never mind this thread.

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    tailwindhome said:

    Brexit is done.

    What isn't done is how the relationship between the UK and the EU takes shape

    This will be a topic of discussion long after this forum ends never mind this thread.

    There's not much noise around GB - EU relationship. Obviously that other bit of the UK isn't as simple.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
    What are the locals saying Brexit, furlough or pingdemic?
    I suspect a lot of people in the industry took Rishi's advice and left / retrained. It will be interesting to see if, once theatres etc. are fully back in business, there are enough backstage staff to cover everything or if they also took that advice.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    Pross said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
    What are the locals saying Brexit, furlough or pingdemic?
    I suspect a lot of people in the industry took Rishi's advice and left / retrained. It will be interesting to see if, once theatres etc. are fully back in business, there are enough backstage staff to cover everything or if they also took that advice.

    As long as enough ballet dancers retrained to keep the websites running, who cares if there's no-one on stage or behind it?
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    edited August 2021
    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I am currently on the Isle of Wight and it seems nearly every business has a sign looking for staff and/or restricted opening or offering. Have been a few time before and never noticed any East Europeans so I do wonder how much is Brexit fuelled.
    Ditto in East Devon. Lots of places running short hours due to staff shortages.
    What are the locals saying Brexit, furlough or pingdemic?
    I've not asked. Just noticeable that there are plenty of tourists about, but quite a lot of cafés and restaurants still opening limited hours, with some specifically stating that they are short staffed.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    TheBigBean said:

    I have enjoyed hearing the same people argue that the current staff shortages are the result of Brexit, but that the wage increases are nothing to do with Brexit.

    I haven't heard them, but are they talking about the same jobs?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Brexit is done.

    What isn't done is how the relationship between the UK and the EU takes shape

    This will be a topic of discussion long after this forum ends never mind this thread.

    There's not much noise around GB - EU relationship. Obviously that other bit of the UK isn't as simple.
    That there's not much noise around it doesn't mean it's not going to be a big influence in all our lives for the foreseeable future



    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Down here it's brexit + house prices/second homes which is eternal.

    Lots of job vacancies but, as yet, no rise in wages.

    Everyone wants the emmets out tho (despite the irony) . Its basically been solid since April and its clearly going to continue until late October
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Brexit is done.

    What isn't done is how the relationship between the UK and the EU takes shape

    This will be a topic of discussion long after this forum ends never mind this thread.

    There's not much noise around GB - EU relationship. Obviously that other bit of the UK isn't as simple.
    There has been a couple of distractions. Covid and the Olympics ring any bells?
    Add on climate change and the headlines have been filled.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/amazon-tax-avoidance-luxembourg-proft-shifting-b1898781.html

    Are we allowed to talk about "Emergency brexit plans" becoming "plans" in the Brexit thread?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/10/emergency-brexit-powers-for-lorry-queues-to-be-made-permanent
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    ddraver said:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/amazon-tax-avoidance-luxembourg-proft-shifting-b1898781.html

    Are we allowed to talk about "Emergency brexit plans" becoming "plans" in the Brexit thread?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/10/emergency-brexit-powers-for-lorry-queues-to-be-made-permanent

    No, it's not brexit, it's 21st century Britain.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:


    How are you getting on with the crowd funding for that time machine I suggested?
    Well it was previously funded by the EU Horizon 2020 scheme but obviously that source of income has dried up and the U.K. govt was more interesting in spaffing it up on OneWeb which had “better looking returns” despite the fact it was a busted flush.
    Busted flush just raised even more money. This time from Hanwha. This follows the investment from Eutelsat.

    (It was the only OneWeb result in the forum search)
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    ddraver said:

    morstar said:

    ddraver said:

    The problem there is that UK vets want to play with horses and puppies rather than check that one of the 500 cows covered in sh1te about to be slaughtered for Findus lasagne hasn't got TB...

    I agree with this but I also don’t see it as an unreasonable stance.

    You pay a fortune in fees and study incredibly hard due to a love of animals.

    Sure. It wasn't meant as a criticism. Just a problem that now needs solving having told all the people that used to do it to go home...

    Spoke to one of the aforementioned vet student friends last night and asked her about Port Health. Her response was to say that they had long and detailed discussions about food sustainability. There was no interest in working in abattoirs, although they obviously have to learn and train there.

    Also, there are no now longer enough Lorry Drivers in Cornwall to deliver Milk to Dairys and Cream to Cream Tea Shops. Farmers are dumping whole trailers of milk because they can't get the drivers.

    Jam first has become Jam only...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    ddraver said:

    ddraver said:

    morstar said:

    ddraver said:

    The problem there is that UK vets want to play with horses and puppies rather than check that one of the 500 cows covered in sh1te about to be slaughtered for Findus lasagne hasn't got TB...

    I agree with this but I also don’t see it as an unreasonable stance.

    You pay a fortune in fees and study incredibly hard due to a love of animals.

    Sure. It wasn't meant as a criticism. Just a problem that now needs solving having told all the people that used to do it to go home...

    Spoke to one of the aforementioned vet student friends last night and asked her about Port Health. Her response was to say that they had long and detailed discussions about food sustainability. There was no interest in working in abattoirs, although they obviously have to learn and train there.

    Also, there are no now longer enough Lorry Drivers in Cornwall to deliver Milk to Dairys and Cream to Cream Tea Shops. Farmers are dumping whole trailers of milk because they can't get the drivers.

    Jam first has become Jam only...
    Bizarre state of affairs. Some things will right themselves, others won’t. Difficult to work out what will happen long term.
    I am seeing a reduction in sheep locally and an increase in beef cattle. Some sizeable fields have been empty since Feb which is unusual but possibly just resting the fields. They are ones that were hammered with walkers during Covid.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    kingstongraham said:

    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."

    Isn't the closure of Nandos a Brexit upside?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    I am sure that previously specialist agencies would have recruited drivers from across the EU. What is worrying is that we have not added HGV drivers to a list of required professions which suggests that once again ideology is getting the better of economics
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    https://news.sky.com/story/nandos-forced-to-close-50-restaurants-due-to-supply-chain-disruptions-12384047?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    "The company confirmed that its sites in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which have a unique customs arrangement due to Brexit, had not been affected."

    Isn't the closure of Nandos a Brexit upside?
    *Chuckle*
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    surrey_commuter said:

    I am sure that previously specialist agencies would have recruited drivers from across the EU. What is worrying is that we have not added HGV drivers to a list of required professions which suggests that once again ideology is getting the better of economics

    I think I read somewhere that the DVLA says there are quite a lot of people with HGV licences, so they see it more as commercial issue. Why are these people not driving HGVs? Because they can earn more in better conditions doing something else.

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