Handbuilt wheels... the big thread

lostboysaint

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Hi Ugo or wheel expert.:)

You seem to be the man to ask about wheels. I currently use Ambrosio excellence rims on miche primato 36 hole hubs and Michelin 25mm tyres. Now I would like to try bigger 28mm tyres on these new wide rims. I found on Mavics website there is a touring rim (23mm) wide that's bomb proof they say but it's only a 32 hole rim. Here is my question. Do you think a 32 hole rim will be strong enough for my size and weight. I'm 1m 90 tall (6ft4) and weigh 100kg. The bike will be used for winter riding on heavy Scottish roads. Cheers.

Can't speak for that rim but I run 32 Sapim Race spokes, Miche Primato hubs and Velocity A23 rims and I'm the same size as you and have no problems at all. Very reliable.

ugo.santalucia

jimwalsh wrote:

managed to snag one of the £200 808 rims from px

any reason not to use an old shimano rs80 straight pull front hub? both are 16 hole...

No reason, go for it

cycleclinic

Me and my commutor are 100kg and i run 24 spoke disc brake wheels. The point being it is not spoke count that determknes spoke life. It is wheel stiffnes or more specifically how much the tensions change during each revolution.

So yes 32 spoke wheels on a mavic touring rim will be fine. If you are using a wheel builder though why are you not taking his/her advice. If you doubt there advice then why are you uskng that wheelbuilder?

cycleclinic

For the same model of tyre the wider one will be more comfortable and handle better. A wider rim helps.

The archetype is the better rim. It may not be marketed as touring rim but it is and a rim for very heavy riders, racing everything really. Good rims are not just good at one thing.

ugo.santalucia

Annoyingly, Mavic have removed their XM 819 disc rim from their catalogue. Being the only UST rim for building on the market, I found it amazing... no need for rim tape and a far superior tubeless performance... hardly any pressure loss... I can go for a week without pumping up the tyres.
The FORE cups are also a very handy way to build a wheel. Basically I can work on the wheel without ever removing or even just deflating the tyre... what's not to like?

https://whosatthewheel.com/2016/05/30/m ... oad-tyres/

cycleclinic

Annoyingly Mavic could be a company that could make some brilliant rims if only they would pull there finger out and do.

tiberiustrettin

Spudboy wrote:

70% of the time commuting? I suspect you know where your £500 should go. Whether you can get over the fact that handbuilt wheels may not look as 'bling' as factory wheels is another matter and will probably be the deciding factor.

To answer your question I prefer my handbuilts over factory wheels I've ridden and have never regretted my decision.

Thanks a lots for your tips.

tincaman

2 tyres £49.99

http://shop.maxxis.co.uk/products/26002 ... KSHIELD-TR)

ugo.santalucia

tincaman wrote:

2 tyres £49.99

http://shop.maxxis.co.uk/products/26002 ... KSHIELD-TR)

Wrong thread, but nice find!

lostboysaint

Can any of the gurus tell me what rim Hope use in their 20Five disc specific wheel? http://www.hopetech.com/product/hope-20five-pro-4/

I was thinking of going handbuilt with Velocity Aileron on Hope hubs and then I spot these, which appear almost identical!

ugo.santalucia

lostboysaint wrote:

Can any of the gurus tell me what rim Hope use in their 20Five disc specific wheel? http://www.hopetech.com/product/hope-20five-pro-4/

I was thinking of going handbuilt with Velocity Aileron on Hope hubs and then I spot these, which appear almost identical!

Looks more like the H plus Son Hydra to me

lostboysaint

That's why I asked, cheers!

matt_n-2

Has anyone built up a pair of 50x25 chinese tubs?

Quite fancy a build based around a U shape 50x25 on Miche Primato, but to bring the cost down a bit go with a less gucci spoke than a CX-Ray, I know the Cycle Clinic do a similar build on a 50x23.8 with Miche and CX-Ray.

Would I be frowned upon at the cafe stop for having aero rims but not aero spokes?

ugo.santalucia

Matt_N wrote:

Has anyone built up a pair of 50x25 chinese tubs?

Quite fancy a build based around a U shape 50x25 on Miche Primato, but to bring the cost down a bit go with a less gucci spoke than a CX-Ray, I know the Cycle Clinic do a similar build on a 50x23.8 with Miche and CX-Ray.

Would I be frowned upon at the cafe stop for having aero rims but not aero spokes?

Up to a few years ago Reynolds used round spokes for their rear wheels. I would use CX ray at the front and something round at the rear.
Fairsports and the Light Bicycle Company make good enough rims

jdee84

Would this rim be compatible for a tubeless setup?

http://www.ryde.nl/dp-2000

I think its the rims on the wheels that came on my 2011 scott hybrid that i commute on.

ugo.santalucia

jdee84 wrote:

Would this rim be compatible for a tubeless setup?

http://www.ryde.nl/dp-2000

I think its the rims on the wheels that came on my 2011 scott hybrid that i commute on.

The profile with ramps looks compatible, but it's pin joined, which is not the ideal way of joining a tubeless rim... some work, some don't...

jdee84

ugo.santalucia wrote:

jdee84 wrote:

Would this rim be compatible for a tubeless setup?

http://www.ryde.nl/dp-2000

I think its the rims on the wheels that came on my 2011 scott hybrid that i commute on.

The profile with ramps looks compatible, but it's pin joined, which is not the ideal way of joining a tubeless rim... some work, some don't...

Thanks for the reply! Was going to get some of those 32 sectors to try it but maybe not worth attempting!

apreading

JamesVaughan007 wrote:

Hello Biking World,

[...] how to solve my problem.[...]

James

Your problem is that you dont seem to understand how to use the internet. You have posted this in probably every topic on this forum - topics that have nothing to do with your post and it is therefore not relevant and doesnt belong there. By all means start your own topic about safety on a bike but do not post your request in a huge number of places where it doesnt belong and just mess up the whole forum.

When I saw the first post, I thought I might do the survey later. Now I have clicked on the fourth update of something new on topics I am watching, only to find that this is the fourth one you have done it to and there are still more updates for me to check on - there is no way I feel like helping you out anymore.

JamesVaughan007

I apologize if my needing answers to my survey inconveniences you, but I'm just a high school student looking for help and will try anything to find a solution to my project.

ugo.santalucia

JamesVaughan007 wrote:

I apologize if my needing answers to my survey inconveniences you, but I'm just a high school student looking for help and will try anything to find a solution to my project.

... even drugs?

cycleclinic

lostboy saint did another build with aileron yesterday. Yet another rim that was not round. 1.2mm out in fact. The customer was gone instead for the Kinlin XR31RTS rims. These are round. so go for the aileron knowing that your wheel builder may have jip. I ride on a set which are fine but I got lucky with the rims. Had several that are not that round.

You can use round spokes on the rear but it adds a bit of weight which is no big deal but one of the reason for using the CX-ray is they are easy to build with. One problem with 25mm wide rims at the brake track is the tubs that 25mm wide only should be used. narrower can lead to rim damage in the same way if a narrower clincher is used on a wide rim.

I have yet to find a Ryde rim that is properly tubeless compatible. The pulse sprint is not if you mount a schwable one try getting it off.. same with the pulse sprint in fact tyre are so tight to mount it is practically impossible, the ryde trace series MTB rims are O.K for tubeless but tubeless specific tyres may be too tight to mount. Moral is dont assume a ryde rim will be tubeless compatible because they may not be.

ugo.santalucia

Just noticed Hope now makes the RS 4... a road specific disc hub with centrelock... basically what I always wanted... shame I don't really need it, as my 3 years old Novatec 542 is still going very strong...

cycleclinic

The hydra btw is 25mm wide 23mm deep so if hope have used the hydra rim they have misquoted the rim dimensions.

graememacd

Pondering wheel choices for my new bike build (Orbea Orca) and have not ruled out building some new wheels. I want a wheel set that's light and stiff and will also look smart enough on my new build. I was thinking of hope mono rs hubs with Hed Belgium rims and cx Ray spokes. Any suggestions of any alternatives that might be better for the money? The rims will need to be tubeless. I thought of going for 20/24 spokes with a radial front arrangement

ugo.santalucia

graememacd wrote:

Pondering wheel choices for my new bike build (Orbea Orca) and have not ruled out building some new wheels. I want a wheel set that's light and stiff and will also look smart enough on my new build. I was thinking of hope mono rs hubs with Hed Belgium rims and cx Ray spokes. Any suggestions of any alternatives that might be better for the money? The rims will need to be tubeless. I thought of going for 20/24 spokes with a radial front arrangement

Nice choice... After more than 2 years I still think my HED + rims rock!

cycleclinic

Yes those rims are fine in those spoke counts. However if you want to run them tubeless you will need several wraps of tape to get the tyres to fit tightly enough. Maybe a rim strip will help.

graememacd

That sounds like a good option then. Just got to have a think whether my vague wheel building skills will do them justice!

drwae

I'm soon to buy the Borg 31 from Malcolm at the Cycle Clinic, looking forward to getting some decent wheels on my bike!! I've been using the stock wheels not even trued because I've been telling myself there's no point truing them if I'm going to upgrade... :P :oops:

Kytey

Hi all, I am new to bike rader and follwoing the thread regarding wheels with much interest. I have just bought a De Rosa King RS 3 frame and looking to build immediately. I am in a dilema about wheels. if possible I dont want to purchase off the shelf as i think i am just paying for a brand. Any assistance would be welcome as i understand reading through some of the responses there are wheel guru's out there.

regards

Phil

Bobbinogs

If you are looking for handbuilts that suit your needs then you will need to outline what those needs are and the price you are looking to pay. If you want to drop some big cash then I would advise getting a professional to do the job...best to start with something rebuilding a cheap set that is on the way out so that the basics can be covered off. Some idea of weight is also useful, intended riding parcours, etc., as well as the features you value...