Charlie Hebdo

pblakeney

bompington wrote:

You can be well-informed and still come to a wrong conclusion. And it should be pointed out that Christian Science is neither scientific nor christian.

Exactly.
It is making a wrong decision based on a faith.

thegreatdivide

So that's ISIS moved on from beheading prisoners in front of the camera to burning them alive in cages.

ballysmate

thegreatdivide wrote:

So that's ISIS moved on from beheading prisoners in front of the camera to burning them alive in cages.

Got a link?

Edit Sorry Got it

ballysmate

All the Arab countries in the Middle East who say that ISIS are not representative of Islam, it is now the time to step up and prove it.
These countries are bristling with military hardwardware (We sold a lot of it to them). Now is the time to use it. For the world's sake, the response must come from the Muslim world.
Get it done.

thegreatdivide

The word needs to come from Saudi Arabia (see Bitter Lake) and that's not going to happen any time soon.

From what I gather, ISIS control long thin strips of Iraq and Syria. That's perfect for round the clock B52 carpet bombing.

ballysmate

thegreatdivide wrote:

The word needs to come from Saudi Arabia (see Bitter Lake) and that's not going to happen any time soon.

From what I gather, ISIS control long thin strips of Iraq and Syria. That's perfect for round the clock B52 carpet bombing.

As you say, the Saudis are the key. Not hopeful at all.

RDW

thegreatdivide wrote:

From what I gather, ISIS control long thin strips of Iraq and Syria. That's perfect for round the clock B52 carpet bombing.

I imagine the 8 million people who are stuck there whether they like it or not might find this a trifle inconsiderate.

RDW

Ballysmate wrote:

For the world's sake, the response must come from the Muslim world. Get it done.

Yes, it's not like the situation in Iraq has got anything to do with us. Oh, wait...

ballysmate

RDW wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

For the world's sake, the response must come from the Muslim world. Get it done.

Yes, it's not like the situation in Iraq has got anything to do with us. Oh, wait...

Your point about Iraq is well taken, but we are at where we are at, irrespective of how we got here.
For all the hue and cry about Paris, the fact remains that the vast majority of IS victims are actually Muslims and although the West bears some responsibility for the mess, it is in everyone's interest that the Muslim world is instrumental in eradicating IS. Especially their own.

RDW

To be fair, it's hard to imagine what we could do at this point that wouldn't make things even worse.

Wunnunda

While we tend to see the problem as "them Muslims, innit" the Middle East itself lives in a far more fragmented situation. So unfortunately, while the (Sunni & Wahabbi) Saudis are key, you need to get the (mainly Shia) Iranians on (the same) side. Good luck with that.

VTech

mamba80 wrote:

A sad but strange story, as I was under the impression that the UK courts will always back the Doctors judgement and will only listen to a parents wishes where life isn't in immediate danger, also parents are liable to prosecution for deny life saving treatment for their kids, it seems strange the Hospital treating your mate didn't apply to a court?
this has been the case since 1875, long before the JWs introduced blood bans, basically the child's interests are paramount, my auntie has been a barrister in the family division high court in London and she knows of no cases where life saving treatment has been refused, indeed the JWs have challenged 3x and lost 3x.
Of course she maybe wrong and there maybe other reasons for your mates death.

This was 30 years ago, I think as you say, the doctors overrule parents these days which in this case would have been the better thing imo. I have heard similar cases over the years where a court order is granted and a transfusion given.

johnfinch wrote:

Sorry to hear about your losses VTech. Was your mum actively religious, or did she just have a positive outlook?

No, never going to church other than weddings and funerals. She was very positive throughout life and missed her vocation imo as a councillor. She was great at listening, maybe something I never quite grasped ?
a few days before she died we were watching factor in the hospice and she was annoyed that one of her favourites were booted off, she promtly said with a sharp voice "its a bloody fix, I'm not watching this show next year" we both started to laugh and thats a memory i will have forever, it was actually so funny in the middle of all that was going on.

I guess now that time passes we all realise that everyone has problems, we all have issues and human nature is to only really concentrate on our own which is why people lock heads against each other.
I have seen people end up in massive feuds simply because of stupid spats that needn't have gone past a simple disagreement which is why I really think the edition of CH after the shootings was foolish because when you are fighting a group of people who do not care, you have nothing to gain but only a lot to lose. They have promised revenge over that edition and the problem you have is it probably won't be the people who made and printed the edition who pay the price.
No doubt some innocent victims will be rounded up, beheaded or burnt alive in the name of revenge and to me that is a price too far.

France is in trouble right now, they are the number 1 target of IS right now and although its great to have nations stand against these people, the victims will be family men and women who pay a price for something they almost certainly have nothing to do with.

ballysmate

VTech, I think everyone realises that France is now a target and there may well be further casualties. But I copy and paste one of my earlier posts which I still feel pertinent.

VTech, there are several ways you can fight a pernicious ideology. The most peaceful ways are with the spoken word and the pen, or in this case pencil. The response to this peaceful approach was violence and death. Which side caused the most offence.
If you remove the right to speak out or to pick up a pen, what are you left with? What sort of country are you left with?

The unspoken answer to my question was, you either faced with doing nothing or else reaching for the gun.

ballysmate

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I see that the Muslim Action Forum have organised a rally in London to protest against CH.
They are perfectly entitled to do that, it is called free speech.
The irony though, exercising the rights that they seek to deny others.

A leaflet issued by the Muslim Action forum (MAF), who organised the rally, said recent republishing of cartoons, caricatures and depictions of Muhammad by satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and other publishers is a “stark reminder” that freedom of speech is “regularly utilised to insult personalities that others consider sacred”.

The group also expressed “deep regret” at the Paris terror attacks, which included a massacre at Charlie Hebdo, saying they were a “violation of Islamic law”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... rlie-hebdo

Deep regret? Violation of Muslim Law? WTF is that about? Is it higher or lower than the laws of the land, in this case France?
I perhaps missed the rally where Muslim leaders urged their communities to denounce the extremists who carried out the murders.

BTW the story is also covered by the Mail. Look at the pics from both articles, there is one picture showing women protesters, but none showing mixed groups.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ammed.html
What a backward perverse culture to impose on people.

I would like to reitterate that I have no problem with anyone practising whichever faith they choose, but not at the erosion of the values of our society.

pinno

Ballysmate wrote:

All the Arab countries in the Middle East who say that ISIS are not representative of Islam, it is now the time to step up and prove it.
These countries are bristling with military hardwardware (We sold a lot of it to them). Now is the time to use it. For the world's sake, the response must come from the Muslim world.
Get it done.

Jordan has and while they are at it, can they bomb the Vatican?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/02/child-pornography-found-at-the-vatican/

ballysmate

pinarello001 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

All the Arab countries in the Middle East who say that ISIS are not representative of Islam, it is now the time to step up and prove it.
These countries are bristling with military hardwardware (We sold a lot of it to them). Now is the time to use it. For the world's sake, the response must come from the Muslim world.
Get it done.

Jordan has and while they rae at it, can they bomb the Vatican?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/02/child-pornography-found-at-the-vatican/

Shocked, truly shocked. :roll:

Hard to fully express irony in the printed word.

bdu98252

Isis kill the pilot. The pilots dad changes his tune from release him to kill everyone involved in Isis. Jordan kill two Isis suspects and then state through the foreign minister that they intend to hunt Isis with everything they have. I wonder if the Isis leader is sitting at home thinking, "well that escalated quickly".

Trouble for Isis is that they are now not dealing with western governments they are dealing with regimes as brutal when threatened as their crackpot ideology. Good luck as they might need it.

ballysmate

FFS,Sikhs are at it now with this blasphemy shite.
Enough already.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015 ... m-protest/

pinno

Ballysmate wrote:

FFS,Sikhs are at it now with this blasphemy shite.
Enough already.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015 ... m-protest/

Did it ruin the film for you Ballywood?

ballysmate

I'm waiting for the sequel, Buddha's a Fat Tw@t.

pinno

Never mind bubba Bhuda, this is the one for you mate:



Rachel Shelley is in it

pblakeney

Ballysmate wrote:

FFS,Sikhs are at it now with this blasphemy shite.
Enough already.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015 ... m-protest/

If the cinema has more than one screen then I'd have been tempted to put the film on a 24 hour continuous loop and called their bluff.

mr_goo

Frank the tank

Ballysmate wrote:

I'm waiting for the sequel, Buddha's a Fat Tw@t.

The old ones are the best Bally.

ballysmate

I see the art critics are at it again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ammad.html

Yes the art contest was perhaps insensitive, but so what? They are only pictures.

And following a speech from Geert Wilders, who has linked the Koran to terrorism, there was an attack by terrorists. Protesters chose an odd way to rebut his views.

mr_goo

Ballysmate wrote:

I see the art critics are at it again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ammad.html

Yes the art contest was perhaps insensitive, but so what? They are only pictures.

And following a speech from Geert Wilders, who has linked the Koran to terrorism, there was an attack by terrorists. Protesters chose an odd way to rebut his views.

That will be one US police shooting incident that will NOT have the residents rioting on the streets.