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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    I suspect they will suspend the development team and give the WT team a warning that if anyone else is caught during 2015 then they will lose it too.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
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  • blazing_saddles
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    Vino seeks to stem the flow:
    https://twitter.com/biciciclismoweb/sta ... 8460517376
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Vino seeks to stem the flow:
    https://twitter.com/biciciclismoweb/sta ... 8460517376

    I thought they were a completely different team with nothing to do with Vino/Astana :shock:
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Seriously stupid all these positives.

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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    If Cookson had the balls he’d now demote the Astana WT team to Conti for a year and maybe promote a Conti like MTN? But £$€ rules the roads so it’ll never happen.
  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,716
    There are many things in life I don't understand.

    Two that are relevant to this thread are...

    1. Why the hell Vino is anywhere near cycling after the damage he has and continues to cause.
    2. Why on earth riders continue to compromise their credibility (Lars Boom, Lieuwe Westra, Fabio Aru et al.) by signing for a team where this individual has control.

    I am sure once I get a grasp on that, the meaning of life will be simple...
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    jimmythecuckoo wrote:
    There are many things in life I don't understand.

    Two that are relevant to this thread are...

    1. Why the hell Vino is anywhere near cycling after the damage he has and continues to cause.
    2. Why on earth riders continue to compromise their credibility (Lars Boom, Lieuwe Westra, Fabio Aru et al.) by signing for a team where this individual has control.

    I am sure once I get a grasp on that, the meaning of life will be simple...

    My jury's out on Aru having credibilty.
  • sadlybiggins
    sadlybiggins Posts: 158
    Vino has suspended the Continental team: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokou ... ental-team

    “The young riders are crazy if they still haven't understood that there is no place for doping in cycling,” Gazzetta dello Sport reported Vinokourov as saying. “People have to understand that they (the Continental team) has nothing to do with this team (the Astana WorldTour team). The only thing we have in common is the jersey and the name.”

    So that's alright then.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,396
    jimmythecuckoo wrote:
    There are many things in life I don't understand.

    Two that are relevant to this thread are...

    1. Why the hell Vino is anywhere near cycling after the damage he has and continues to cause.
    2. Why on earth riders continue to compromise their credibility (Lars Boom, Lieuwe Westra, Fabio Aru et al.) by signing for a team where this individual has control.

    I am sure once I get a grasp on that, the meaning of life will be simple...

    Riis is still involved and he surely falls into the same bracket as Vino.
    I do agree with point 2 - you must be pretty dim, or desperate for the cash to risk your career in such a dodgy set up.
  • bdu98252
    bdu98252 Posts: 171
    It must be a translation error. The doctor comes in and gives them a list of things not to take. The Kazakh cyclists think he told them to take it all. Easy mistake to make when you are working across nationalities:)
  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    jimmythecuckoo wrote:
    There are many things in life I don't understand.

    Two that are relevant to this thread are...

    1. Why the hell Vino is anywhere near cycling after the damage he has and continues to cause.
    2. Why on earth riders continue to compromise their credibility (Lars Boom, Lieuwe Westra, Fabio Aru et al.) by signing for a team where this individual has control.

    I am sure once I get a grasp on that, the meaning of life will be simple...

    Riis is still involved and he surely falls into the same bracket as Vino.
    I do agree with point 2 - you must be pretty dim, or desperate for the cash to risk your career in such a dodgy set up.

    Looking forward to seeing FF's response to point no. 1. :)
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    If a 20 year old (or more than one) on a British development squad was popped for doping would it mean Wiggins doped?

    Some well thought out Inner Ring articles

    http://inrng.com/2014/11/should-nibali-leave-astana/
    http://inrng.com/2014/10/astana-licence ... davidenok/
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    TailWindHome wrote:
    If a 20 year old (or more than one) on a British development squad was popped for doping would it mean Wiggins doped?

    Guilty by team association is stupid imo.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Yep, just a coincidence that all these riders on a team run by a known, unrepentant doper are doping. Pure random chance.
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,857
    SadlyBiggins wrote:
    Vino has suspended the Continental team: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokou ... ental-team

    “The young riders are crazy if they still haven't understood that there is no place for doping in cycling,” Gazzetta dello Sport reported Vinokourov as saying. “People have to understand that they (the Continental team) has nothing to do with this team (the Astana WorldTour team). The only thing we have in common is the jersey and the name.”

    So that's alright then.

    Have any of the riders suspended had anything interesting to say? I'd love to look them in the eyes while they're being asked if the team was involved.
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,857
    frenchfighter wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    If a 20 year old (or more than one) on a British development squad was popped for doping would it mean Wiggins doped?

    Guilty by team association is stupid imo.

    Because there's no historical evidence of cycling teams organising their doping together?
  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,716
    lostboysaint wrote:
    Looking forward to seeing FF's response to point no. 1. :)


    FF is entitled to a different viewpoint. I suppose :)
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    jimmythecuckoo wrote:
    lostboysaint wrote:
    Looking forward to seeing FF's response to point no. 1. :)


    FF is entitled to a different viewpoint. I suppose :)
    Not so much entitled as contractually obliged, by all appearances ;-)
  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,716
    It is a forum after all :)
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    These Kazkh kids aren't stupid, they're desperate. They probably don't come from a cosy background like us keyboard warriors on here and want take the only route they can see to pull themselves up in life. Also the fact that they are getting popped points to a lack of organised doping on behalf of the Continental team. There may be blind eyes being turned, but it does not whiff of a programme.

    The Iglisnki brothers have probably doped all their careers, originally for the same reasons as the Continental team kids and have just continued with or without team help.

    All that said, I can't stand Astana, an advertisement for a corrupt regime run by a bunch of unrepentant dopers, so I will not feel sorry for them if they are kicked off the World Tour.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,661
    Timoid. wrote:
    These Kazkh kids aren't stupid, they're desperate. They probably don't come from a cosy background like us keyboard warriors on here and want take the only route they can see to pull themselves up in life.

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,791
    Astana do need some sort of sanction..just for being lax never mind anything else
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    The Astana Continental team has to be shut down. Three positives this year, one last year and a 19 year old dying of a stroke in the spring (which may not be down to doping but questions have to be asked)
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  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    jimmythecuckoo wrote:
    There are many things in life I don't understand.
    1. Why the hell Vino is anywhere near cycling after the damage he has and continues to cause.

    I am sure once I get a grasp on that, the meaning of life will be simple...
    Riis is still involved and he surely falls into the same bracket as Vino.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    RichN95 wrote:
    The Astana Continental team has to be shut down. Three positives this year, one last year and a 19 year old dying of a stroke in the spring (which may not be down to doping but questions have to be asked)

    Agree. And I very much doubt whether Astana is even remotely clean.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    Joelsim wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    The Astana Continental team has to be shut down. Three positives this year, one last year and a 19 year old dying of a stroke in the spring (which may not be down to doping but questions have to be asked)

    Agree. And I very much doubt whether Astana is even remotely clean.
    The thing with Astana seniors though, is that everyone knows that there are two very distinct factions in that team - the Kazakh faction and the Italian faction. I don't think they have much to do with each other. It's an odd team.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    RichN95 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    The Astana Continental team has to be shut down. Three positives this year, one last year and a 19 year old dying of a stroke in the spring (which may not be down to doping but questions have to be asked)

    Agree. And I very much doubt whether Astana is even remotely clean.
    The thing with Astana seniors though, is that everyone knows that there are two very distinct factions in that team - the Kazakh faction and the Italian faction. I don't think they have much to do with each other. It's an odd team.

    Agree on that Rich, but I will be very surprised if Nibs and Aru have great seasons again next year. Hope I'm wrong.

    Having said that, they haven't had anyone busted today, so that's positive news.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,707
    RichN95 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    The Astana Continental team has to be shut down. Three positives this year, one last year and a 19 year old dying of a stroke in the spring (which may not be down to doping but questions have to be asked)

    Agree. And I very much doubt whether Astana is even remotely clean.
    The thing with Astana seniors though, is that everyone knows that there are two very distinct factions in that team - the Kazakh faction and the Italian faction. I don't think they have much to do with each other. It's an odd team.

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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Kreuziger blood values

    1. Date 03.05.12. Haemoglobin 15.0, haematocrit 45.1o/o, retics 1.46.
    2. Date 14.05.12. Haemoglobin 14.5, white count 43.2, reticulocyte count 1.44%.
    3. Date20.05.12. Haemoglobin 14.8, haematocrit 44.8o/o, retics 1.b2.
    4. Date 25.05.12. Haemoglobin 16.1, haematocrit 48.1o/o, retics 1.44.

    HCt went from 43.2 to 48.1 in the last week of a GT

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