United Kingdom of What?

MichaelW

As we bid a fond farewell to the Scotch, we will find our island of Great Britain divided between two sovereign nations. We will no longer be a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What can we call ourselves?

Entries to this competition must live within England, Whales and bits of Ireland that are ruled by the remaining bits of Britain.

Former United Kingdom of Ireland, England and Whales, abbreviated to F.U.K. IEW ?

seanoconn

MichaelW wrote:

As we bid a fond farewell to the Scotch, we will find our island of Great Britain divided between two sovereign nations. We will no longer be a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What can we call ourselves?

Entries to this competition must live within England, Whales and bits of Ireland that are ruled by the remaining bits of Britain.

Former United Kingdom of Ireland, England and Whales, abbreviated to F.U.K. IEW ?

Jonah resided within a whale for 3 days, can he enter?

bompington

MichaelW wrote:

As we bid a fond farewell to the Scotch

There is no likelihood of the whisky supply being interrupted.

arran77

seanoconn wrote:

MichaelW wrote:

As we bid a fond farewell to the Scotch, we will find our island of Great Britain divided between two sovereign nations. We will no longer be a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What can we call ourselves?

Entries to this competition must live within England, Whales and bits of Ireland that are ruled by the remaining bits of Britain.

Former United Kingdom of Ireland, England and Whales, abbreviated to F.U.K. IEW ?

Jonah resided within a whale for 3 days, can he enter?

You've gone and done it now mentioning Jonah, this thread will descend into a racist Islam bashing fest in no time

slowbike

if the vote goes through and Salmond and his lot get their way, I think its only fair scotland should be called the Peoples Republic of Independent Scots..................P.R.I.C.S.

arran77

Slowbike wrote:

if the vote goes through and Salmond and his lot get their way, I think its only fair scotland should be called the Peoples Republic of Independent Scots..................P.R.I.C.S.

Maybe we could have a poll on here of all our Scottish brothers to select them a new king? I can think of Piña, Nathan and Colin but feel free to add further candidates

Winner will be crowned King of the PRICS

markhewitt1978

The new country will be "Wales, England, Northern Ireland" WENI - commonly pronounced as Whiney.

Mikey23

Keenly watching the outcome of this one down in cornwall...

ddraver

This is a terrible idea and I really hope it doesnt happen. Do you think if we let Alex just call himself Prime Minister for a few years then it would all go away?

VTech

God help them if they decide to break away.
I am unsure if all of those voting have any idea of the consequences.

simonhead

VTech wrote:

God help them if they decide to break away.
I am unsure if all of those voting have any idea of the consequences.

That's the thing, i don't think many do. I have seen interviews with some of the people that are likely to vote "Yes" and very few have been coherent, its often been about "the English hate us and we hate them" argument rather than what is actually good for the country.

VTech

simonhead wrote:

VTech wrote:

God help them if they decide to break away.
I am unsure if all of those voting have any idea of the consequences.

That's the thing, i don't think many do. I have seen interviews with some of the people that are likely to vote "Yes" and very few have been coherent, its often been about "the English hate us and we hate them" argument rather than what is actually good for the country.

Nail on the head sir.
The thing is, Many would try and equate what I wrote above as thinking we are better than the Scottish so the Scots feel they are not wanted and so may choose to vote YES.

The reality however is that I feel we are better as a united front, working together and by the same rules. They are good for us, we are good for them.

simonhead

One does wonder what the likes on Farage will make of this and even more so the BNP. If there is a split do the Scots suddenly become persona non grata?

Stevo_666

Slowbike wrote:

if the vote goes through and Salmond and his lot get their way, I think its only fair scotland should be called the Peoples Republic of Independent Scots..................P.R.I.C.S.

There appears to be a 'C' missing. Any suggestions?

Akirasho

?? did none of you read my Englassippi thread??

viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=12981681

symo

I really can’t see any coherent argument from the nationalists other than “we have the oil” (which is rapidly decreasing). They fail to set out a clear statement on what their currency will be if they don’t get the pound, and Mark Carney has given his opinion on that happening. They haven’t given their options if they do not get into Europe, and Spain as well as the new Eastern European nations have extremely strong interests in not allowing Scotlands entry to happen; plus if UKIP were sensible they could force a UK referendum on letting Scotland into the EU as a bargaining chip with the EU full stop.

Couple of my technicians are Scottish and are voting no; mainly because everytime they raise the issue of workers in England/Wales who are Scottish residents and the associated tax issues, it is met with a “It will work itself out” from the SNP representatives questioned, not here is a projected tax rate is that reasonable.

All in all after 30 years of prepping for this moment the SNPs argument comes down to we have some oil and we are patriots. Brilliant, also sounds rather like UKIP……….

UKIP and the SNP both pedal an idea of a country that no longer exists targeted at babyboomers. The sad reality is that each party contains such disparate memberships with non-unified visions, that when both achieve power they will collapse with a spectacular amount of infighting.

I fear for the UK fullstop.

slowbike

VTech wrote:

The reality however is that I feel we are better as a united front, working together and by the same rules. They are good for us, we are good for them.

I don't often, but I agree with you here ...

but do we (as a whole country) really need the separate parliaments? What a waste of money that could be far better spent on health, education, transport and all the rest that help the nation progress.... surely it's bad enough with local councils without having a house of representatives to expense the money away ...

symo

To be honest after years of targetting Babyboomer votes we have the politicians we deserve.
Name one 20 year vision that has been put forward by any party as to where the UK should be heading.

tangled_metal

MichaelW wrote:

As we bid a fond farewell to the Scotch, we will find our island of Great Britain divided between two sovereign nations. We will no longer be a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What can we call ourselves?

Erm! how about United Kingdom? IIRC Scotland is one part of the union, the rest will still exist as a union so why does it need a new name? Could be wrong but we can call ourselves UK if we want to since there still exists the majority of the Union intact. Scotland is actually not that big population-wise so if it leaves the union it does not warrant a change in name.

Can I just say that nobody really thought the Nats would be this close? Not even the Nats thought they could win so why on Earth would they think about it seriously? That was a waste of their money which was more wisely spent winning the Scottish Parliament majority and their nice Fiefdom for King Alex. To actually have coherent policies for independence would take money to achieve and mean decisions that would ensure they lost the independence vote. That was a negative spiral in vote winning terms so best to hope you don't win and don't waste your money on viable policies. Can you really expect people to vote you into power if you tell the truth about the billions independence will cost. The effect it would have on the pockets of the new Scottish nationals. Better to say "we have oil" and "I hate the English!". That is what wins the nationalist vote and gets what power Alex will get.

PS I still think it will lose and he will face being the majority party in the Scottish Parliament with the parent Parliament in Westminster still holding the purse strings on a lot of things seriously considering the validity of the Barnett formula, the Lothian question and other things that will limit King Alex and his SNPs. They have serious bridge building to do. Cue a long period in the political wilderness I reckon.

capt_slog

Considering that the outcome will affect me as much as anyone in Scotland, I can't help wondering why I don't get a vote on the subject, along with the rest of the UK.

arran77

Capt Slog wrote:

Considering that the outcome will affect me as much as anyone in Scotland, I can't help wondering why I don't get a vote on the subject, along with the rest of the UK.

This has worried me as well to be honest.

It all seems very poorly thought out in my opinion with a very misguided view that it is only for our Scottish cousins to decide what is actually a very national concern.

markhewitt1978

You can base it purely on economic arguments as are you going to be better off, yes or no. But that only takes you so far. The main issue, as I see it, is why shouldn't Scotland be governing itself? Why be ruled by another 'country' when you can go your own way.

mamba80

Cameron must be bricking himself that he ll go down in history as the PM who presided over the break up of the UK.
We don't get a vote on capitol punishment or a vote on EU membership or uncontrolled immigration - so why were the Scots and only the scots given a vote on this IF it has such horrific consequences for all of us?

markhewitt1978

mamba80 wrote:

Cameron must be bricking himself that he ll go down in history as the PM who presided over the break up of the UK.
We don't get a vote on capitol punishment or a vote on EU membership or uncontrolled immigration - so why were the Scots and only the scots given a vote on this IF it has such horrific consequences for all of us?

Because it would be unworkable. Lets imagine the entire UK voted, Scotland voted Yes, rUK voted No. What would happen? You think Scotland would stay because the rest of us didn't want them to go? It would be in effect keeping them hostage, so there's no point in even asking.

MichaelW

then there is the issue of the new flag, minus S Andrews cross. Personally I would engage the services of the Creatives at Perfect Curve to brainform the upgrade.

mamba80

markhewitt1978 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Cameron must be bricking himself that he ll go down in history as the PM who presided over the break up of the UK.
We don't get a vote on capitol punishment or a vote on EU membership or uncontrolled immigration - so why were the Scots and only the scots given a vote on this IF it has such horrific consequences for all of us?

Because it would be unworkable. Lets imagine the entire UK voted, Scotland voted Yes, rUK voted No. What would happen? You think Scotland would stay because the rest of us didn't want them to go? It would be in effect keeping them hostage, so there's no point in even asking.

that's of course very true, but my point is why give anyone a vote??? it is a risky strategy and one that gained Cameron (or the UK) nothing at all, if he wins...so what? the scots will demand another one sooner or later (esp should the SNP get another huge majority) and now he cant undo this - he really is the most incompetent PM ever to grace no10 and that's going some

markhewitt1978

I dunno, I'm a Labour voter but you can't beat Gordon Brown for being a crap PM.

Mikey23

Andy murray past his best... Yup, they can go

declan1

I don't like how everyone in England assumes we're all Scottish and we deserve what we get if we go independent. I'm English and living in Scotland - I'm voting no!

bdu98252

Cameron was forced into giving the people of Scotland a referendum as SNP went to the last Scottish election and won a majority with a clear manifesto pledge of a referendum. To not allow this would be undemocratic and show the people of Scotland further that they needed to be independent.

VTech

The wife just asked me, "who will underwrite the pensions?"

I am not sure the people in charge of the vote-yes campaign have thought this through, certainly those voting will be in a whole heap of trouble if this does go ahead.

You see, the government is only obliged to maintain the pension pot for the countries associated with us, this would not be ossible if scotland were independent and would give them a multi-billion pound/euro/insert currency here debt before they even start !