The Irony Thread

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    ballysmate said:

    rjsterry said:

    ballysmate said:

    orraloon said:

    elbowloh said:

    Who are GB news? Never heard of them?

    Uk equiv of Fox, or Breitbart, or.... whatever. Combat the FAKE news BBC and that. Happy days.

    Ah the news channel that hasn't even been launched yet.
    Good to see CS is as open minded as ever.
    If Andrew Neil is building a a TV equivalent of Skwawkbox I think we'd both be quite surprised. While they're not on air yet, they've been setting out their stall for some time.
    So that's a 'Yes' then.
    A 'Yes'? You didn't ask a question. Just commenting on the initial publicity. Neil's usually worth watching, but I don't see anyone else of note. Happy to revise my view if the publicity proves inaccurate.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    kingstongraham said:

    ballysmate said:

    orraloon said:

    elbowloh said:

    Who are GB news? Never heard of them?

    Uk equiv of Fox, or Breitbart, or.... whatever. Combat the FAKE news BBC and that. Happy days.

    Ah the news channel that hasn't even been launched yet.
    Good to see CS is as open minded as ever.
    This doesn't make me hopeful

    If you have to invent a new meaning for a word then maybe you're using the wrong word.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    rjsterry said:

    ballysmate said:

    rjsterry said:

    ballysmate said:

    orraloon said:

    elbowloh said:

    Who are GB news? Never heard of them?

    Uk equiv of Fox, or Breitbart, or.... whatever. Combat the FAKE news BBC and that. Happy days.

    Ah the news channel that hasn't even been launched yet.
    Good to see CS is as open minded as ever.
    If Andrew Neil is building a a TV equivalent of Skwawkbox I think we'd both be quite surprised. While they're not on air yet, they've been setting out their stall for some time.
    So that's a 'Yes' then.
    A 'Yes'? You didn't ask a question. Just commenting on the initial publicity. Neil's usually worth watching, but I don't see anyone else of note. Happy to revise my view if the publicity proves inaccurate.

    I too enjoy watching Andrew Neil and hopefully his reputation will not be tarnished by a below par broadcast.
    Glad you will give it a fair go.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    Here we go... irony central.

    After walking out because he couldn't shout someone down yesterday, baby piers posts this...



    Cancelled, you see.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    In fairness to the guy, he's managed to carve out a career being a total gobshite with an opinion on anything.

    Most of us here are also total gobshites but we have to go to a forum to spout it.
    _
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    Aye, true dat. D1cks get clicks. Is the modern world.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    orraloon said:

    Aye, true dat. D1cks get clicks. Is the modern world.

    And just to prove it, have a 'like' 😂
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    Aw cheers man. Does this mean I'm now a soshul meejah Influencer? Bring in the bitcoins.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    orraloon said:

    Aw cheers man. Does this mean I'm now a soshul meejah Influencer? Bring in the bitcoins.

    Attach an NFT to this post and quids in.
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    edited March 2021
    kingstongraham said:

    Here we go... irony central.

    After walking out because he couldn't shout someone down yesterday, baby piers posts this...



    Cancelled, you see.
    Think there might be other things going on that influenced his decision. Seeming!y Megan Markle had made a formal complaint about him to ITV and there was a Twitter campaign to get him sacked. Also one wonders what might have been said at any editorial meetings after his on air argument with the weather man and his subsequent flounce. If he has been pressured to apologise or tone it down you can see why he's told them to poke it given that he was hired precisely because he is controversial. I can't stand the bloke myself but I saw a bit of GMB this morning and it was like Loose Women lite. I guess more will come out in the fullness of time.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    There's a twitter "campaign" to get everyone sacked.

    I would assume that as the network has a campaign around mental health, and he's out there saying he doesn't believe someone when they say they were having mental health problems, something was probably asked of him that he decided he couldn't accept for whatever reason.

    Bear in mind he was a breakfast TV presenter, there's plenty that he's not allowed to say on telly.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited March 2021
    I see I have mismanaged my departure from my previous firm. Rather than being lovely and polite to everyone on my way out as I was handed in my resignation letter, I should have called my bosses a c*nt and then complained when I got sacked that they're opposed to free speech and i'm being cancelled for saying what is plain for everyone to see.
    _
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    One for the irony thread - Raab summoning the EU representative who he refuses to give diplomatic status to, to whine about EU behaviour. How does that conversation go?
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    I see I have mismanaged my departure from my previous firm. Rather than being lovely and polite to everyone on my way out as I was handed in my resignation letter, I should have called my bosses a c*nt and then complained when I got sacked that they're opposed to free speech and i'm being cancelled for saying what is plain for everyone to see.

    as your bosses are rec cons I am confident your description would have stood up at a tribunal :)
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    edited March 2021
    kingstongraham said:

    There's a twitter "campaign" to get everyone sacked.

    I would assume that as the network has a campaign around mental health, and he's out there saying he doesn't believe someone when they say they were having mental health problems, something was probably asked of him that he decided he couldn't accept for whatever reason.

    Bear in mind he was a breakfast TV presenter, there's plenty that he's not allowed to say on telly.

    Possibly. Maybe the powers at GMB got the complaint from Megan across their desk, then saw the wave of anger about him on social media and if they also had an eye on the mental health campaign you mention they decided to have a conversation about it all with him? As I say I dislike the bloke intensely but if you hire someone with controversial opinions to drive up ratings then don't be surprised when he expresses them. Don't be surprised either if he refuses to kowtow to demands to shut up. I don't blame him for quitting and I don't think he'll be short of offers, even if I think he's an absolutely massive tw@t.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    I have always avoided all outlets that actually feature Morgan, not for that reason specifically but it usually fits.

    I suspect that it's all an act - the whole Morgan brand I mean, but I reckon this latest stunt belongs in that - and that it is in fact a case of a controversy-generating game put on by a fairly smart actor pretending to be a bell-end who, as it happens, is also a bell-end in real life.
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    bompington said:

    I have always avoided all outlets that actually feature Morgan, not for that reason specifically but it usually fits.

    I suspect that it's all an act - the whole Morgan brand I mean, but I reckon this latest stunt belongs in that - and that it is in fact a case of a controversy-generating game put on by a fairly smart actor pretending to be a bell-end who, as it happens, is also a bell-end in real life.

    I believe that in media circles that is known as the Clarkson defence "he is not a racist tvvat, he is a tvvat pretending to be a racist"
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
    He listened to someone giving an account of their suicidal thoughts, and aggressively said he didn't believe a word of it. His network decided that was not something they wanted to be associated with, so he either accepted it was beyond what he can say on breakfast TV, or move on to somewhere that is acceptable behaviour.

  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    edited March 2021
    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
    He listened to someone giving an account of their suicidal thoughts, and aggressively said he didn't believe a word of it. His network decided that was not something they wanted to be associated with, so he either accepted it was beyond what he can say on breakfast TV, or move on to somewhere that is acceptable behaviour.

    Yeah that about sums it up. He won't be short of offers and GMB ratings will tank. He's not on his own in not taking everything that comes out of Megan Markles mouth at face value. And just to reiterate, it really pains me to have to defend Piers Morgan, a man who I thoroughly dislike, but on this issue I think he's right.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,490
    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
    He listened to someone giving an account of their suicidal thoughts, and aggressively said he didn't believe a word of it. His network decided that was not something they wanted to be associated with, so he either accepted it was beyond what he can say on breakfast TV, or move on to somewhere that is acceptable behaviour.

    I'm not arguing with you, or your point, especially in this instance, but.... This whole "acceptable behaviour" thing is growing out of control. If I'm allowed to say that.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    pblakeney said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
    He listened to someone giving an account of their suicidal thoughts, and aggressively said he didn't believe a word of it. His network decided that was not something they wanted to be associated with, so he either accepted it was beyond what he can say on breakfast TV, or move on to somewhere that is acceptable behaviour.

    I'm not arguing with you, or your point, especially in this instance, but.... This whole "acceptable behaviour" thing is growing out of control. If I'm allowed to say that.
    If he'd let out a string of expletives when interviewing the health secretary, that would generally be thought to be unacceptable behaviour, despite everything. There are limits to what is acceptable on breakfast TV, surely.

    Apparently deciding with no evidence that someone is lying about their mental health issues, and doing it so aggressively crossed a line for ITV at the moment. Probably to do with their campaign with Mind. The message "I don't know you, I don't like you, when you say you had suicidal thoughts, I don't believe you" clearly doesn't fit the brand.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,655
    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    There's a twitter "campaign" to get everyone sacked.

    I would assume that as the network has a campaign around mental health, and he's out there saying he doesn't believe someone when they say they were having mental health problems, something was probably asked of him that he decided he couldn't accept for whatever reason.

    Bear in mind he was a breakfast TV presenter, there's plenty that he's not allowed to say on telly.

    Possibly. Maybe the powers at GMB got the complaint from Megan across their desk, then saw the wave of anger about him on social media and if they also had an eye on the mental health campaign you mention they decided to have a conversation about it all with him? As I say I dislike the bloke intensely but if you hire someone with controversial opinions to drive up ratings then don't be surprised when he expresses them. Don't be surprised either if he refuses to kowtow to demands to shut up. I don't blame him for quitting and I don't think he'll be short of offers, even if I think he's an absolutely massive tw@t.
    If you are reliant on selling ad space, you might think twice about hiring him though.

    I'm a bit surprised that him and GMB couldn't arrive at a statement that appeased both sides. As others have said I wouldn't be suprised if he turns up on Andrew Neil's new thing.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,490
    kingstongraham said:

    pblakeney said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
    He listened to someone giving an account of their suicidal thoughts, and aggressively said he didn't believe a word of it. His network decided that was not something they wanted to be associated with, so he either accepted it was beyond what he can say on breakfast TV, or move on to somewhere that is acceptable behaviour.

    I'm not arguing with you, or your point, especially in this instance, but.... This whole "acceptable behaviour" thing is growing out of control. If I'm allowed to say that.
    If he'd let out a string of expletives when interviewing the health secretary, that would generally be thought to be unacceptable behaviour, despite everything. There are limits to what is acceptable on breakfast TV, surely.

    Apparently deciding with no evidence that someone is lying about their mental health issues, and doing it so aggressively crossed a line for ITV at the moment. Probably to do with their campaign with Mind. The message "I don't know you, I don't like you, when you say you had suicidal thoughts, I don't believe you" clearly doesn't fit the brand.
    There's the thing though. Are the brand really surprised that he came out with it?
    It is pretty much the kind of thing he'd be hired for. Same with JC, or any other of that ilk.
    FWIW, I don't believe her either but me being cancelled wouldn't register.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
    He listened to someone giving an account of their suicidal thoughts, and aggressively said he didn't believe a word of it. His network decided that was not something they wanted to be associated with, so he either accepted it was beyond what he can say on breakfast TV, or move on to somewhere that is acceptable behaviour.

    Yeah that about sums it up. He won't be short of offers and GMB ratings will tank. He's not on his own in not taking everything that comes out of Megan Markles mouth at face value. And just to reiterate, it really pains me to have to defend Piers Morgan, a man who I thoroughly dislike, but on this issue I think he's right.
    I'm not sure he is, he had no grounds (other than a general dislike / distrust of her) for doubting her words. Like it or not, the only person who knows what thoughts they've had is the person themselves. There were other things in the interview he could have disagreed with because they could be disproved (such as the lack of their child being given a title being evidence of how they were cast aside) but he chose to attack one thing he should have stayed well away from.

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    pblakeney said:

    kingstongraham said:

    pblakeney said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
    He listened to someone giving an account of their suicidal thoughts, and aggressively said he didn't believe a word of it. His network decided that was not something they wanted to be associated with, so he either accepted it was beyond what he can say on breakfast TV, or move on to somewhere that is acceptable behaviour.

    I'm not arguing with you, or your point, especially in this instance, but.... This whole "acceptable behaviour" thing is growing out of control. If I'm allowed to say that.
    If he'd let out a string of expletives when interviewing the health secretary, that would generally be thought to be unacceptable behaviour, despite everything. There are limits to what is acceptable on breakfast TV, surely.

    Apparently deciding with no evidence that someone is lying about their mental health issues, and doing it so aggressively crossed a line for ITV at the moment. Probably to do with their campaign with Mind. The message "I don't know you, I don't like you, when you say you had suicidal thoughts, I don't believe you" clearly doesn't fit the brand.
    There's the thing though. Are the brand really surprised that he came out with it?
    It is pretty much the kind of thing he'd be hired for. Same with JC, or any other of that ilk.
    FWIW, I don't believe her either but me being cancelled wouldn't register.
    Nope. But if you employ a drama queen, occasionally you have to expect it.

    He never apologised for those fake photos.


  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    edited March 2021
    Pross said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    kingstongraham said:

    shortfall said:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14289939/piers-morgan-quit-gmb-refusing-apology-meghan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    If the story is the Sun is true, GMB bosses asked him to make an on air apology to Megan Markle and he refused. I don't blame him.

    That's going all in on being a tvvat, saying something outrageous, facing the consequences of your actions, then complaining about being silenced. I'd expect nothing less.
    Not sure I agree. He's entitled to disagree with Megan Markles accounts of her life in the Royal Family and if GMB demanded that he publicly apologise to her for saying so then it amounts to them silencing him, or at least on their platform. It will be their loss.
    He listened to someone giving an account of their suicidal thoughts, and aggressively said he didn't believe a word of it. His network decided that was not something they wanted to be associated with, so he either accepted it was beyond what he can say on breakfast TV, or move on to somewhere that is acceptable behaviour.

    Yeah that about sums it up. He won't be short of offers and GMB ratings will tank. He's not on his own in not taking everything that comes out of Megan Markles mouth at face value. And just to reiterate, it really pains me to have to defend Piers Morgan, a man who I thoroughly dislike, but on this issue I think he's right.
    I'm not sure he is, he had no grounds (other than a general dislike / distrust of her) for doubting her words. Like it or not, the only person who knows what thoughts they've had is the person themselves. There were other things in the interview he could have disagreed with because they could be disproved (such as the lack of their child being given a title being evidence of how they were cast aside) but he chose to attack one thing he should have stayed well away from.

    So much in that interview was either demonstrably false, open to conjecture, or based on one person's interpretation of events. It was also a deliberate and premeditated attack on the Royal Family which has also put the whole country in a bad light around the world. Given that context I don't see why Piers Morgan shouldn't contest her version of events or her claims about her mental health. Put it another way, if you go on global TV and do an explosive interview containing highly controversial opinions dressed up as facts, then don't be surprised if people challenge you on it.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    Morgan should have listened to this: "if you go on ... TV and do an explosive interview containing highly controversial opinions dressed up as facts, then don't be surprised if people challenge you on it."

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