The Irony Thread
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You note, I said long term. I am not writing off the deaths of however many lives this virus claims, but the efforts to contain will have a human cost.0
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When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?0
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When the infection rates get as high as they will the same impact will happen anyway only with more dead bodies.0
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Am not dismissing the number of dead bodies but pointing out there is a quid pro quo. In years to come, people will die because of some measures taken now.
Further afield, The Canaries eg have a population of over 2 million. They have no industry, no farming, only tourism. They are in lock down. When this is finished, their economy will be gone. Businesses closed, airlines bust. They will be fcuked.0 -
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
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I'm in a choir and when we took the decision to keep rehearsing while waiting for government advice to the contrary one woman said she wasn't going to come as she has underlying respiratory issues. Fair enough but she has a cigarette before rehearsal, when we have a break half way through and another as soon as we finish.diamonddog said:In Spain during ‘lockdown’ cannot go out for a bike ride but can go to tobacconist to buy fags.
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Not me.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
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Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.0 -
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100% this. Absolutely gutted for them and the people I know out thereballysmate said:
Further afield, The Canaries eg have a population of over 2 million. They have no industry, no farming, only tourism. They are in lock down. When this is finished, their economy will be gone. Businesses closed, airlines bust. They will be fcuked.
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Why not switch spending priorities rather than just happily borrowing the whole lot.rick_chasey said:
Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.0 -
I think we're at a point where the cost is going to be fractions of total GDP, not fractions of a percent.surrey_commuter said:
Why not switch spending priorities rather than just happily borrowing the whole lot.rick_chasey said:
Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.
(not my line)0 -
15% of GDP IIRC from Newscast podcast.rick_chasey said:
I think we're at a point where the cost is going to be fractions of total GDP, not fractions of a percent.surrey_commuter said:
Why not switch spending priorities rather than just happily borrowing the whole lot.rick_chasey said:
Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.
(not my line)The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So that smashes us through the 100% debt ratio, and that is before allowing for the economy shrinking.pblakeney said:
15% of GDP IIRC from Newscast podcast.rick_chasey said:
I think we're at a point where the cost is going to be fractions of total GDP, not fractions of a percent.surrey_commuter said:
Why not switch spending priorities rather than just happily borrowing the whole lot.rick_chasey said:
Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.
(not my line)
I get that you and they don’t care about debt but to me it is crazy to not revisit the budget and reallocate much of the fiscal expansion into these Coronavirus plans.0 -
I agree, but probably need both. Is HS2 anyone's priority any more?surrey_commuter said:
So that smashes us through the 100% debt ratio, and that is before allowing for the economy shrinking.pblakeney said:
15% of GDP IIRC from Newscast podcast.rick_chasey said:
I think we're at a point where the cost is going to be fractions of total GDP, not fractions of a percent.surrey_commuter said:
Why not switch spending priorities rather than just happily borrowing the whole lot.rick_chasey said:
Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.
(not my line)
I get that you and they don’t care about debt but to me it is crazy to not revisit the budget and reallocate much of the fiscal expansion into these Coronavirus plans.0 -
How else are the Londoners going to escape the zombies? 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
For the first time the yokels will be justified in waving their pitchforks at us. I have tried to avoid the countryside since watching a documentary presented by Edward Woodward, The Wicker Man.pblakeney said:How else are the Londoners going to escape the zombies? 😉
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Have you deducted the BoE's holdings in your calculation?surrey_commuter said:
So that smashes us through the 100% debt ratio, and that is before allowing for the economy shrinking.pblakeney said:
15% of GDP IIRC from Newscast podcast.rick_chasey said:
I think we're at a point where the cost is going to be fractions of total GDP, not fractions of a percent.surrey_commuter said:
Why not switch spending priorities rather than just happily borrowing the whole lot.rick_chasey said:
Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.
(not my line)
I get that you and they don’t care about debt but to me it is crazy to not revisit the budget and reallocate much of the fiscal expansion into these Coronavirus plans.
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Well arguably not, however it would directly pay the wages of a job sector who dont fit in the wfh category, whether construction is remotely feasible under lockdown is another matter, but I've long believed the value of such projects is purely to generate those jobs,keep those people employed and spending money which helps boost the economy overall. If you stop HS2 what do those workers do ?kingstongraham said:
I agree, but probably need both. Is HS2 anyone's priority any more?surrey_commuter said:
So that smashes us through the 100% debt ratio, and that is before allowing for the economy shrinking.pblakeney said:
15% of GDP IIRC from Newscast podcast.rick_chasey said:
I think we're at a point where the cost is going to be fractions of total GDP, not fractions of a percent.surrey_commuter said:
Why not switch spending priorities rather than just happily borrowing the whole lot.rick_chasey said:
Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.
(not my line)
I get that you and they don’t care about debt but to me it is crazy to not revisit the budget and reallocate much of the fiscal expansion into these Coronavirus plans.
The hospitality business is already saying the government need to pick up at least 75% of their wages as they wont survive otherwise, construction firms are probably equally exposed if they cant build things in the meantime0 -
Why not pay the same people to not build a railway and save on the cost of land and materials?awavey said:
Well arguably not, however it would directly pay the wages of a job sector who dont fit in the wfh category, whether construction is remotely feasible under lockdown is another matter, but I've long believed the value of such projects is purely to generate those jobs,keep those people employed and spending money which helps boost the economy overall. If you stop HS2 what do those workers do ?kingstongraham said:
I agree, but probably need both. Is HS2 anyone's priority any more?surrey_commuter said:
So that smashes us through the 100% debt ratio, and that is before allowing for the economy shrinking.pblakeney said:
15% of GDP IIRC from Newscast podcast.rick_chasey said:
I think we're at a point where the cost is going to be fractions of total GDP, not fractions of a percent.surrey_commuter said:
Why not switch spending priorities rather than just happily borrowing the whole lot.rick_chasey said:
Depends on scale of course.surrey_commuter said:
Most people do not see reduced tax take as a problem as we can borrow more money.ballysmate said:When this is over and the economy is shrunken be however much and the tax take is a fraction of today's, how many hospitals will need to close, how many people will be rendered homeless?
We’re looking at Lehman-esq disaster.
Gonna be some big bailouts soon or *a lot* of jobless.
(not my line)
I get that you and they don’t care about debt but to me it is crazy to not revisit the budget and reallocate much of the fiscal expansion into these Coronavirus plans.
The hospitality business is already saying the government need to pick up at least 75% of their wages as they wont survive otherwise, construction firms are probably equally exposed if they cant build things in the meantime0 -
Of all the things; bog roll, bread, frozen stuff etc, I hope I can get a pitch fork.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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People who usually complain about unemployed benefits cheats sitting at home 'having it easy' watching daytime TV complaining when they find themselves temporarily 'having it easy', sitting at home watching daytime TV0
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coopster_the_1st said:
We only have to go back to the 2011 London riots as an example. Then we had how society behaved during the petrol strikes and nearly every year when the UK gets hit with snow. Basically people are selfish and will quickly revert to what is in their best interest.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's ironic that we have people both hoarding so that they can socially isolate whilst refusing to socially isolate.
Now, obviously these could be two distinct groups of people.
I'll bet you they're not though.1 -
Anecdotally I would say they are different groups. My parents (in their 80s) only cut their social life last week and are now wondering what to do until their first online shop arrives on 11th April. Now they have been told to self-isolate by the Govt they will do so religiously.0
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Thought churches were shut too. 😉surrey_commuter said:Now they have been told to self-isolate by the Govt they will do so religiously.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Following the Brexit vote it was sickening to see and hear people wishing death on the older generations who were seen to be to blame for the Leave vote. Roll on a few short months and all these @rseholes are suddenly rowing back now they think their parents and grandparents might die from Covid19.2
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Well said SF.shortfall said:Following the Brexit vote it was sickening to see and hear people wishing death on the older generations who were seen to be to blame for the Leave vote. Roll on a few short months and all these @rseholes are suddenly rowing back now they think their parents and grandparents might die from Covid19.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Did that happen on here?shortfall said:Following the Brexit vote it was sickening to see and hear people wishing death on the older generations who were seen to be to blame for the Leave vote. Roll on a few short months and all these @rseholes are suddenly rowing back now they think their parents and grandparents might die from Covid19.
There was a comment about wishing somebody dead in relation to Brexit but it didn’t fit the above.
Unless they’re the same people, it’s a bit irrelevant really. Just confirms some people are pretty nasty.0 -
Didn't happen on here that I can recall. Hyperbole I think but happy to apologise if proven wrong.morstar said:
Did that happen on here?shortfall said:Following the Brexit vote it was sickening to see and hear people wishing death on the older generations who were seen to be to blame for the Leave vote. Roll on a few short months and all these @rseholes are suddenly rowing back now they think their parents and grandparents might die from Covid19.
There was a comment about wishing somebody dead in relation to Brexit but it didn’t fit the above.
Unless they’re the same people, it’s a bit irrelevant really. Just confirms some people are pretty nasty.0
