Commonwealth Games Road Race Spoiler Thread
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mulletmaster wrote:
There was next to no chance of that and the two of them two upping it to the line would have been faster anyway. But no matter it is only the CWG and the result was right in the end.thegibdog wrote:
Yes, it would have been nice to risk another country winning in order to finish together... :roll:mulletmaster wrote:Side by side to the line would have been much cooler, not to mention more pro.
Rubbish.
Plus, you have to eliminate the chance of something going wrong and stick with the tactics. If you think Armitstead should have effectively mucked around to cross the line with loads of energy spare just to take Pooley over the line then fair enough, but for as nice as you think it might have been it would have been daft and it wouldn't have happened anyway.0 -
Emma Pooley was the absolute Boss of today for me....
Lizzie Armitstead was given an armchair ride today and took full advantage of it. I don't like it but that's bike racing.
Sometimes unappealing individuals win bike races in unappealing ways...Valverde won yesterday didn't he......
(Apologies if some people think that's a bit much, I'll calm down in a little while....)0 -
It's amazing how many people know how Emma Pooley should feel better than she does herself.
2 CWG silver medals and helping a teammate to win gold isn't a bad way to go.0 -
She repays her by finishing the job Pooley was working towards. Everything Pooley did was to set up an Armitstead win.wiggofan wrote:mulletmaster wrote:Easy to do your mate over when she has been towing you round all morning and you've been in the armchair! Much more impressed with pooley here.
Absolutely right. Unbelievable ride from Emma Pooley. Did nearly all the work and gave Armitstead an armchair ride. How does Armitstead repay her?Twitter: @RichN950 -
I think everyone would agree that Pooley's ride was amazing and Armitstead's win nothing special in comparison, but, the tactics were executed to get the Armitstead win, Pooley's silver was a great thing though.0
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She crossed the line with loads of energy spare anyway she basically had a 2 hour tempo ride with a 10k TT on the end! Anyway we obviously don't agree on team etiquette and neither is going to change their mind. I'm not objecting that the strongest rider won and that the plan was executed but feel in a medal race, when it's your team mate (not withstanding her last race) then the right thing to do was to work together to ensure gold and silver.
A more hard line approach is that Lizzie should have been sitting on the rest of those wheel suckers and only counterattack should pooley have been caught (she wouldn't have been) or sprint it out for silver if she stayed away. I know how I'd feel about it if I was pooley, regardless of what she says to the cameras.0 -
mulletmaster wrote:She crossed the line with loads of energy spare anyway she basically had a 2 hour tempo ride with a 10k TT on the end! Anyway we obviously don't agree on team etiquette and neither is going to change their mind. I'm not objecting that the strongest rider won and that the plan was executed but feel in a medal race, when it's your team mate (not withstanding her last race) then the right thing to do was to work together to ensure gold and silver.
A more hard line approach is that Lizzie should have been sitting on the rest of those wheel suckers and only counterattack should pooley have been caught (she wouldn't have been) or sprint it out for silver if she stayed away. I know how I'd feel about it if I was pooley, regardless of what she says to the cameras.
Team etiquette? ...don't be soft, team tactics were executed. You mean 'your own personal idea of etiquette based on what you wanted to see', which was not going to happen as it wasn't the tactics they were using to get the result, which all worked successfully.0 -
mulletmaster wrote:She crossed the line with loads of energy spare anyway she basically had a 2 hour tempo ride with a 10k TT on the end! Anyway we obviously don't agree on team etiquette and neither is going to change their mind. I'm not objecting that the strongest rider won and that the plan was executed but feel in a medal race, when it's your team mate (not withstanding her last race) then the right thing to do was to work together to ensure gold and silver.
A more hard line approach is that Lizzie should have been sitting on the rest of those wheel suckers and only counterattack should pooley have been caught (she wouldn't have been) or sprint it out for silver if she stayed away. I know how I'd feel about it if I was pooley, regardless of what she says to the cameras.
There are certainly tactical arguments to be had.
Lizzie attacked on the last climb, didn't she? I'd hazard a guess that was because it was the last chance to make a good attack stick. She had the TT gold medalist with her, who was a threat of a counter attack on the flat if everything came back together. Pooley still had 10km or so to cover, alone, after doing a shedload of work, so it was a reasonable assumption that she would eventually be brought back. She could have stuck to the wheels and gone for the sprint, but she would have had to cover attacks leading up to it as everyone tried to get free of her. Meanwhile, if they started playing silly buggers about who would do the work, how far behind were the riders chasing them?
Lizzie had the legs and used them, she simplified the race and won it.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No I mean team etiquette as in how one should treat one's team mates as someone who has raced in a cycling team to help someone else would expect to be treated. It doesn't matter in a 1 day chipper, who cares about 2nd? But it was a medal race and the girl's last race before retirement ffs. Like I say we aren't going to agree on this and no matter how arrogant your postings become it doesn't make you right.0
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RichN95 wrote:
She repays her by finishing the job Pooley was working towards. Everything Pooley did was to set up an Armitstead win.wiggofan wrote:mulletmaster wrote:Easy to do your mate over when she has been towing you round all morning and you've been in the armchair! Much more impressed with pooley here.
Absolutely right. Unbelievable ride from Emma Pooley. Did nearly all the work and gave Armitstead an armchair ride. How does Armitstead repay her?
The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.
Of course an Armitstead win, despite the greater risks, was far more important to her than an England win.No longer a Wiggo fan0 -
wiggofan wrote:RichN95 wrote:
She repays her by finishing the job Pooley was working towards. Everything Pooley did was to set up an Armitstead win.wiggofan wrote:mulletmaster wrote:Easy to do your mate over when she has been towing you round all morning and you've been in the armchair! Much more impressed with pooley here.
Absolutely right. Unbelievable ride from Emma Pooley. Did nearly all the work and gave Armitstead an armchair ride. How does Armitstead repay her?
The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.
Of course an Armitstead win, despite the greater risks, was far more important to her than an England win.
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To repeat myself:No tA Doctor wrote:Lizzie attacked on the last climb, didn't she? I'd hazard a guess that was because it was the last chance to make a good attack stick. She had the TT gold medalist with her, who was a threat of a counter attack on the flat if everything came back together. Pooley still had 10km or so to cover, alone, after doing a shedload of work, so it was a reasonable assumption that she would eventually be brought back. She could have stuck to the wheels and gone for the sprint, but she would have had to cover attacks leading up to it as everyone tried to get free of her. Meanwhile, if they started playing silly buggers about who would do the work, how far behind were the riders chasing them?
Lizzie had the legs and used them, she simplified the race and won it.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
There was every chance that one of the other riders in the break could have done exactly what Armitstead did on that last climb (or elsewhere), leaving her to chase and Pooley as a tiring rider up front. Instead she got her retaliation in first and then maximised the advantage.Twitter: @RichN950
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Maybe Rich but they looked pretty cooked on that climb when she jumped they didn't even try to respond. You usually have some idea about how strong somebody around you is especially when you have been beside them all for the past hour. Anyway this debate isn't going to go anywhere, I hope the men's race is as eventful.0
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You can't have it both ways! If Armitstead could catch Pooley, so could one of the other riders, so it wasn't a "certainty" that she could stay away. Neither would it have been a "certainty" that Armitstead would have won the sprint.wiggofan wrote:The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:wiggofan wrote:RichN95 wrote:
She repays her by finishing the job Pooley was working towards. Everything Pooley did was to set up an Armitstead win.wiggofan wrote:mulletmaster wrote:Easy to do your mate over when she has been towing you round all morning and you've been in the armchair! Much more impressed with pooley here.
Absolutely right. Unbelievable ride from Emma Pooley. Did nearly all the work and gave Armitstead an armchair ride. How does Armitstead repay her?
The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.
Of course an Armitstead win, despite the greater risks, was far more important to her than an England win.
No.
To repeat myself:No tA Doctor wrote:Lizzie attacked on the last climb, didn't she? I'd hazard a guess that was because it was the last chance to make a good attack stick. She had the TT gold medalist with her, who was a threat of a counter attack on the flat if everything came back together. Pooley still had 10km or so to cover, alone, after doing a shedload of work, so it was a reasonable assumption that she would eventually be brought back. She could have stuck to the wheels and gone for the sprint, but she would have had to cover attacks leading up to it as everyone tried to get free of her. Meanwhile, if they started playing silly buggers about who would do the work, how far behind were the riders chasing them?
Lizzie had the legs and used them, she simplified the race and won it.
Your guesses, assumptions, could haves etc are just as big a pile of nonsense second time around as they were the first time. Try probability and rationalism instead. You might like it.No longer a Wiggo fan0 -
hahahahahaha, let's look at your post shall we?wiggofan wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:wiggofan wrote:RichN95 wrote:
She repays her by finishing the job Pooley was working towards. Everything Pooley did was to set up an Armitstead win.wiggofan wrote:mulletmaster wrote:Easy to do your mate over when she has been towing you round all morning and you've been in the armchair! Much more impressed with pooley here.
Absolutely right. Unbelievable ride from Emma Pooley. Did nearly all the work and gave Armitstead an armchair ride. How does Armitstead repay her?
The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.
Of course an Armitstead win, despite the greater risks, was far more important to her than an England win.
No.
To repeat myself:No tA Doctor wrote:Lizzie attacked on the last climb, didn't she? I'd hazard a guess that was because it was the last chance to make a good attack stick. She had the TT gold medalist with her, who was a threat of a counter attack on the flat if everything came back together. Pooley still had 10km or so to cover, alone, after doing a shedload of work, so it was a reasonable assumption that she would eventually be brought back. She could have stuck to the wheels and gone for the sprint, but she would have had to cover attacks leading up to it as everyone tried to get free of her. Meanwhile, if they started playing silly buggers about who would do the work, how far behind were the riders chasing them?
Lizzie had the legs and used them, she simplified the race and won it.
Your guesses, assumptions, could haves etc are just as big a pile of nonsense second time around as they were the first time. Try probability and rationalism instead. You might like it.wiggofan wrote:The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.0 -
wiggofan wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:wiggofan wrote:RichN95 wrote:
She repays her by finishing the job Pooley was working towards. Everything Pooley did was to set up an Armitstead win.wiggofan wrote:mulletmaster wrote:Easy to do your mate over when she has been towing you round all morning and you've been in the armchair! Much more impressed with pooley here.
Absolutely right. Unbelievable ride from Emma Pooley. Did nearly all the work and gave Armitstead an armchair ride. How does Armitstead repay her?
The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.
Of course an Armitstead win, despite the greater risks, was far more important to her than an England win.
No.
To repeat myself:No tA Doctor wrote:Lizzie attacked on the last climb, didn't she? I'd hazard a guess that was because it was the last chance to make a good attack stick. She had the TT gold medalist with her, who was a threat of a counter attack on the flat if everything came back together. Pooley still had 10km or so to cover, alone, after doing a shedload of work, so it was a reasonable assumption that she would eventually be brought back. She could have stuck to the wheels and gone for the sprint, but she would have had to cover attacks leading up to it as everyone tried to get free of her. Meanwhile, if they started playing silly buggers about who would do the work, how far behind were the riders chasing them?
Lizzie had the legs and used them, she simplified the race and won it.
Your guesses, assumptions, could haves etc are just as big a pile of nonsense second time around as they were the first time. Try probability and rationalism instead. You might like it.
Did you really want to play that game?
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adr82 wrote:
You can't have it both ways! If Armitstead could catch Pooley, so could one of the other riders, so it wasn't a "certainty" that she could stay away. Neither would it have been a "certainty" that Armitstead would have won the sprint.wiggofan wrote:The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.
I didn't say it was a certainty, hence the use of the word 'almost'. However, the scenario I described in my last but one post was more likely to deliver an England win than Armitstead's riskier, and selfish, attack, or do you dispute this?No longer a Wiggo fan0 -
Ah, "almost certainty", otherwise known as "probably". Not sure why you're criticising other people for "guessing" and claiming you're somehow more rational. And yes I would dispute it. Armitstead was obviously feeling strong, had had an easy ride all day, had won on this course last year, and only had to stay out in front for a few k on her own. If she'd ridden for a bunch sprint and lost you'd doubtless be on here pontificating about how she should have attacked because you simply don't like her.wiggofan wrote:adr82 wrote:
You can't have it both ways! If Armitstead could catch Pooley, so could one of the other riders, so it wasn't a "certainty" that she could stay away. Neither would it have been a "certainty" that Armitstead would have won the sprint.wiggofan wrote:The best riders assess and adapt to the race situation that develops. For an England race win the sensible call was for Armitstead not to chase down Pooley, as you then have the almost certainty of either Pooley winning or Armitstead utilizing her superior sprinting to win if Pooley was caught. Doing what Armitstead did, if she and Pooley had then been caught both would probably have been beaten because Armitstead would have used up much of her energy chasing down Pooley.
I didn't say it was a certainty, hence the use of the word 'almost'. However, the scenario I described in my last but one post was more likely to deliver an England win than Armitstead's riskier, and selfish, attack, or do you dispute this?0 -
wiggofan wrote:adr82 wrote:Ah, "almost certainty", otherwise known as "probably". Not sure why you're criticising other people for "guessing" and claiming you're somehow more rational.
Exactly. Probably, ie, based on probability, not guesswork.
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On top of what I have written I will add:
Had Lizzie not attacked Pooley would have won Gold. GOLD.
After she chased down her own teammate there were three chasing Pooley. That gap from them to Pooley EXPANDED.
If for some reason Pooley's lead was in danger and she got caught then Lizzie could have gone. You saw how much better she was. She knew she was that much better. If you watch womens cycling you know Lizzie would have smoked them.
So you Pooley haters you are wrong to defend Lizzie. She is a selfish rider who showed no respect for a rider who made the entire race and was in her last ever race. When Lizzie was in the warm and protected British Track Cycling environment, Pooley was trail blazing on the roads of Europe.Contador is the Greatest0 -
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Just about to start
We're not Belgium we're Norn Iron!“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Cracking start by Wales.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Kennaugh having an dig very early....“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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RichN95 wrote:What the hell is Kennaugh up to?
He knows nothing less than 165km solo is an acceptable way to win“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
But why is always Ema doing the Donkey work for so called team mates to take all the glory in Olympics and other major races. ?thegibdog wrote:Are people here actually complaining about team tactics??
Ema gets her own fantastic Glory when riding with her Trade Team. :!:Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
frenchfighter wrote:On top of what I have written I will add:
Had Lizzie not attacked Pooley would have won Gold. GOLD.
After she chased down her own teammate there were three chasing Pooley. That gap from them to Pooley EXPANDED.
If for some reason Pooley's lead was in danger and she got caught then Lizzie could have gone. You saw how much better she was. She knew she was that much better. If you watch womens cycling you know Lizzie would have smoked them.
So you Pooley haters you are wrong to defend Lizzie. She is a selfish rider who showed no respect for a rider who made the entire race and was in her last ever race. When Lizzie was in the warm and protected British Track Cycling environment, Pooley was trail blazing on the roads of Europe.
What on earth is a Pooley hater? I have nothing but respect and admiration for her. And why do you always see things in those terms - fans/haters? Just because you have an entirely subjective emotional response to certain riders that prevents you from objectively analysing their performance it doesn't mean everyone else has. That's just projection.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
For once I'm actually quite enjoying Frenchfighter's 'subjective emotional response'..... :twisted:0
