Farage unravels on LBC.
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MountainMonster wrote:BNP, Farage and a few other politicians really grind my gears. I'm an American, so I get treated with 50% respect as a foreigner and 50% as a non EU citizen who "doesn't deserve to be here". I always find the arguments against having me quite funny, especially when you present people with arguments about why it is isn't a problem.
1. Foreigners scrounge benefits and don't work- I work 60 hours a week and pay my taxes and receive no state aid of any kind. They normally go speechless after this.
2. My wife is Austrian and in the beginning didn't speak perfect English- Everyone has to start somewhere, and now she speaks perfect English after a year of busting her ass to learn.
3. We are loud- FARK OFF
I really hope this inward focus doesn't hang around long, and the people who are racists are exposed as such and dismissed within the political arena. I already struggle enough with visas for the UK even while being married to an EU citizen, and I don't need any more problems to stay here, care for my parents in their old age (without support of the government) and lead a peaceful life.
Focus is the key because history seems to suggest it will always be in the background at least. The last module of an OU history degree I'm working on featured a society questioning immigration, citizenship rights, employment etc. That was Rome in 150BC. In some ways we've not come very far at all since then.0 -
Quarter American but a Yank going on about inwards looking. They know all about that I hear. Majority have never had a passport or left their country. It's probably a stereotype but there's the image of most Americans really only bothered about their country and don't really know what's happening outside of it. BS from my experience of Americans.
Funny thing about UKIP is how their success of late in upping their share of vote is mirrored and even surpassed by similar parties around Europe. There isn't a single nation in EU without a rising right wing political party. Even Germany and France! Even Denmark has the people's party gaining ground and they've been campaigning on the Danish meatball issue. A school started making the Danish meatball in lamb instead of meat so their Muslim minority in the school could eat them. Some see this changing of the meat in Danish meatballs as the diluting of their culture.
Only saying this because UKIP'S politics is Europe wide. UK is not so much the Euro sceptic nation in Europe on it's own. Wonder why?
They're a bunch of clowns who are different to the mainstream, but different is picking up votes. Is that perhaps a sign mainstream is losing connection with European citizens?0 -
verylonglegs wrote:Focus is the key because history seems to suggest it will always be in the background at least. The last module of an OU history degree I'm working on featured a society questioning immigration, citizenship rights, employment etc. That was Rome in 150BC. In some ways we've not come very far at all since then.
Rome in 150BC is not far off where it started to go wrong around here. It was that Julia Siezer and her mate Norman immigating in 1066 and making us all speak French or Viking or something and the Act of Union out of wedlock and all those Sweaty Socks thinking they can come down here and we can't understand them anyway and don't even start me on the Welsh and if you get into a cab these days you won't be able to understand the driver and he'll be stoned on shisha because they do that and they drive cabs all night and take all our benefits and buy all our football clubs and you can't trust them and the Greeks are no better and they were all a little light on their feet and a bit too much into body-sculpting and probably big musical numbers too and then those Juggernauts bought all the little artisan's cottages in Whitechapel and you can't even get a decent pint down there any more and I don't buy meat from Halaldi because it was probably killed the wrong way for me but the right way for them but you never know do you and if we still had the empire they'd show a little more respect well you have to don't you?
I mean, it stands to reason.0 -
nathancom wrote:
I am still wondering when someone is going to 1) prove that immigration is having a major and detrimental effect on the country. Certainly some areas have experienced more immigration than others but putting aside base xenophobia, what harm is it causing, other than extending the cultural vibrancy of the country and supplying hard workers looking to establish themselves in a new country
I don't support Ukip however it's clear the harm is being caused in England from high levels of migration. . Using the figures from the last census the population density is now 1170 people per square mile. If you ignore the micro states this makes England the most densely populated country in the western World. Indeed in the whole World, only Bangladesh and South Korea are significantly higher.
The stats from London show more than 50% of people living there where not born in the UK. What other capital city in the World are the indigenous population the minority ?
Currently 4.9% of the UK are Muslim. The birth rate is around 3.6, well above replacement level. If we assume a generation is 15 years Muslims will be the majority in the UK within 70 years and England a Muslim caliphate.0 -
Since when was the Netherlands or Belgium a micro state?
And I'm not entirely sure you've looked at birth rates in any great detail or how they work.
Given roughly 80% of the UK is still classified as 'white' chat like yours is just far right scaremongering.0 -
adamfo wrote:nathancom wrote:
I am still wondering when someone is going to 1) prove that immigration is having a major and detrimental effect on the country. Certainly some areas have experienced more immigration than others but putting aside base xenophobia, what harm is it causing, other than extending the cultural vibrancy of the country and supplying hard workers looking to establish themselves in a new country
I don't support Ukip however it's clear the harm is being caused in England from high levels of migration. . Using the figures from the last census the population density is now 1170 people per square mile. If you ignore the micro states this makes England the most densely populated country in the western World. Indeed in the whole World, only Bangladesh and South Korea are significantly higher.
The stats from London show more than 50% of people living there where not born in the UK. What other capital city in the World are the indigenous population the minority ?
Currently 4.9% of the UK are Muslim. The birth rate is around 3.6, well above replacement level. If we assume a generation is 15 years Muslims will be the majority in the UK within 70 years and England a Muslim caliphate.
I'd be interested to know where these figures come from and what some of them even mean: 3.6 what exactly? Is this a figure for the average number of children borne by muslim women? Birth rate is normally expressed as number of births per 1000 of population and 3.6 is far too low for this. 1170 is about 5 times higher than any figure I've seen for UK population density.
If you're going to talk rubbish try making your stats look remotely realistic.0 -
According to a quick bit of Bing research the population density of the UK is about 660 per square mile. I wonder if he is taking the London population density and assuming that it is the norm.
I also find it extremely hard to believe that less than 50% of London is actually British. Yet again, where did you get your facts?0 -
Wait, it appears I was wrong too.
In 2010 the Census data showed that the density was 255 per square KM.0 -
Good point - being born outside of the UK doesn't mean you're not British. I don't live in London, so I'm not part of that statistic, but I am British (white, born to British-born white parents, if that's relevant) and I was born outside of the UK. Outside of Europe even. If I did live in London I'd be partly responsible for that statistic, and it would still be meaningless...MountainMonster wrote:I also find it extremely hard to believe that less than 50% of London is actually British. Yet again, where did you get your facts?0 -
About 1 in 10 under 5s in the UK are Muslim, of course in some areas they are a majority and some a tiny minority. I doubt many of you would choose to live in an area where they are a majority based on my experience living in Leicester for 10 years in an area where you would hardly see a white face in the evening. I'm not saying that is right or wrong but whatever people say in public I saw hardly and whites willing to move into that area. There is a bit of a disconnect between what people say in public and their actions.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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MountainMonster wrote:Oh, and I say aluminium instead of aluminum. I'm trying here
As long as you say "series" instead of "season" and know how to spell "programme" correctly, we'll let you stay.
It's nice that you're attempting to speak English proper.
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I always did have you down as a non-native English speaker ;-)MountainMonster wrote:Oh, and I say aluminium instead of aluminum. I'm trying here0 -
DeVlaeminck wrote:About 1 in 10 under 5s in the UK are Muslim, of course in some areas they are a majority and some a tiny minority. I doubt many of you would choose to live in an area where they are a majority based on my experience living in Leicester for 10 years in an area where you would hardly see a white face in the evening. I'm not saying that is right or wrong but whatever people say in public I saw hardly and whites willing to move into that area. There is a bit of a disconnect between what people say in public and their actions.
Although I cannot find the resource for it. Saif Al-Islam (Gaddafi's second son), has in the past quoted that Muslims do not need to invade Europe. They will conquer it through population growth. Or words to the effect. Quite a portentous and worrying quotation, and one that seems to be ringing true.
If some of you on this wonderful open forum think I am anti Muslim. I hold my hands up. I at least have the testicular fortitude to write it and would say it to your face. It has no place in a developed Western Culture, which has taken centuries to evolve into a free, open and equal society.
Islam contradicts everything that our democracy stands for, democracy isn't even in the Islamic vocabulary. Once it gets a toe hold, our way of life will change for the worse. Equality will be a thing of the past. Persecution of the GLBT community, segregation of male and female students at education establishments (already happening in UK), women down graded to third class citizens, to name just three.
I am anti ANY religion. You only have to visit the Vatican Museum to see just some of the wealth gifted to the Catholic Church from the poor and destitute merely to ensure they did not descend into hell upon their death.
We are in the 21st century. A period of wonderful technology advancements and achievement. Yet the fairy tale stories of religion and the horrendous atrocities carried out in the name of a non existent omnipotent god drag us into conflict and threaten to take away our hard and long fought freedoms.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
adamfo wrote:nathancom wrote:
I am still wondering [You've always been wondering ]...a new country
I don't support Ukip however it's clear the harm is being caused in England from high levels of migration. . Using the figures from the last census the population density is now 1170 people per square mile. If you ignore the micro states this makes England the most densely populated country in the western World. Indeed in the whole World, only Bangladesh and South Korea are significantly higher.
[Hmmm...that was a contradiction in terms
The stats from London show more than 50% of people living there where not born in the UK. What other capital city in the World are the indigenous population the minority ?
[Thank christ, have you met born and bread Londoners?]
Currently 4.9% of the UK are Muslim. The birth rate is around 3.6, well above replacement level. If we assume a generation is 15 years Muslims will be the majority in the UK within 70 years and England a Muslim caliphate.
No they won't, it will be Romanians and Poles.
No one complains that an immigrant who rides for Sky wins the TdF or a skinny bloke wins the 5000 and 10,000m at the Olympic games.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Mr Goo - you are up sh1t creek. The vast majority of Muslims are peace loving pacifists. maybe you should aim your angst at the fundamentalists. Your attitude would serve to alienate and disenfranchise more of them.
We went to Iraq, we also went to Afghanistan. We opened the can of worms historically and in recent times, we have imposed our Western ideals on them. Isn't that a form of oppression led by a Western (mainly Christian) ethic? Which side is right?
Now I do not believe that some of the nations that are being led by fundamentalism and their archaic attitudes towards freedom/women/democracy etc have morally evolved but by the same token, we have attempted to change them through interference and coercion.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
pinarello001 wrote:Mr Goo - you are up sh1t creek. The vast majority of Muslims are peace loving pacifists. maybe you should aim your angst at the fundamentalists. Your attitude would serve to alienate and disenfranchise more of them.
We went to Iraq, we also went to Afghanistan. We opened the can of worms historically and in recent times, we have imposed our Western ideals on them. Isn't that a form of oppression led by a Western (mainly Christian) ethic? Which side is right?
Now I do not believe that some of the nations that are being led by fundamentalism and their archaic attitudes towards freedom/women/democracy etc have morally evolved but by the same token, we have attempted to change them through interference and coercion.
I do not disagree. We have no place in interfering in the Middle East. If their citizens want democracy, let them fight for it. We did over centuries. Yet all the power vacuums left by the 'Arab Spring' have opened a Pandoras Box.
I have not problem with the people. I have a problem with the religion. The vast majority of practicing muslims are peaceful, however they are impotent and in denial when it comes to tackling the fundamental element of their faith.
That is the worry.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
johnfinch wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Oh, and I say aluminium instead of aluminum. I'm trying here
As long as you say "series" instead of "season" and know how to spell "programme" correctly, we'll let you stay.
It's nice that you're attempting to speak English proper.
I do enjoy watching series' of programmes, thank you very much. Yay I can stay.bompington wrote:
I always did have you down as a non-native English speaker ;-)MountainMonster wrote:Oh, and I say aluminium instead of aluminum. I'm trying here
I used to speak American, now it's more of Amglish if I may call it that! I'm getting better, I promise. Just be glad you don't hear my accent
*I moved with a VERY strong southern accent, so anything is better than that accent I used to have.0 -
Mr Goo wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:About 1 in 10 under 5s in the UK are Muslim, of course in some areas they are a majority and some a tiny minority. I doubt many of you would choose to live in an area where they are a majority based on my experience living in Leicester for 10 years in an area where you would hardly see a white face in the evening. I'm not saying that is right or wrong but whatever people say in public I saw hardly and whites willing to move into that area. There is a bit of a disconnect between what people say in public and their actions.
Although I cannot find the resource for it. Saif Al-Islam (Gaddafi's second son), has in the past quoted that Muslims do not need to invade Europe. They will conquer it through population growth. Or words to the effect. Quite a portentous and worrying quotation, and one that seems to be ringing true.
If some of you on this wonderful open forum think I am anti Muslim. I hold my hands up. I at least have the testicular fortitude to write it and would say it to your face. It has no place in a developed Western Culture, which has taken centuries to evolve into a free, open and equal society.
Islam contradicts everything that our democracy stands for, democracy isn't even in the Islamic vocabulary. Once it gets a toe hold, our way of life will change for the worse. Equality will be a thing of the past. Persecution of the GLBT community, segregation of male and female students at education establishments (already happening in UK), women down graded to third class citizens, to name just three.
I am anti ANY religion. You only have to visit the Vatican Museum to see just some of the wealth gifted to the Catholic Church from the poor and destitute merely to ensure they did not descend into hell upon their death.
We are in the 21st century. A period of wonderful technology advancements and achievement. Yet the fairy tale stories of religion and the horrendous atrocities carried out in the name of a non existent omnipotent god drag us into conflict and threaten to take away our hard and long fought freedoms.
I think the bolded bit really tells all. I can not see how any religion has a place in modern life. It has been debunked countless times as being simply a story, yet many hold true to the 'preaching's'. I also fail to understand how every religion speaks of tolerance towards others and that their saviour died so the land would be in peace, yet the next sentence on glorifies the killings of non-believers in brutal, archaic ways.
If there was no religion anymore the world would be peaceful, as *almost* every conflict known to man involves two different religions, or beliefs that stem from religious teachings, and is simply fuelled by the religion themselves.
No-one is right, which is why I am a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!0 -
Paulie W wrote:adamfo wrote:nathancom wrote:
I am still wondering when someone is going to 1) prove that immigration is having a major and detrimental effect on the country. Certainly some areas have experienced more immigration than others but putting aside base xenophobia, what harm is it causing, other than extending the cultural vibrancy of the country and supplying hard workers looking to establish themselves in a new country
I don't support Ukip however it's clear the harm is being caused in England from high levels of migration. . Using the figures from the last census the population density is now 1170 people per square mile. If you ignore the micro states this makes England the most densely populated country in the western World. Indeed in the whole World, only Bangladesh and South Korea are significantly higher.
The stats from London show more than 50% of people living there where not born in the UK. What other capital city in the World are the indigenous population the minority ?
Currently 4.9% of the UK are Muslim. The birth rate is around 3.6, well above replacement level. If we assume a generation is 15 years Muslims will be the majority in the UK within 70 years and England a Muslim caliphate.
I'd be interested to know where these figures come from and what some of them even mean: 3.6 what exactly? Is this a figure for the average number of children borne by muslim women? Birth rate is normally expressed as number of births per 1000 of population and 3.6 is far too low for this. 1170 is about 5 times higher than any figure I've seen for UK population density.
If you're going to talk rubbish try making your stats look remotely realistic.
Go back and read my post. I said England.The figures per square mile are correct.The census results are online.
As for births, well obviously the figure is the fertility rate for Women. The replacement rate is 2. Japan is a very low 1.4. White British the figure is around 1.57 and the UK as a whole just bellow 2.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 7rank.html
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Pina..100
You are quite obviously an advocate of Islam and see no problem with its practices and culture pervading UK society. Could you please square the circle for me on how the following have a place in modern Britain.
1. Halal Meat Why should the majority of UK citizens have barbarically slaughtered meat enforced on them without consultation, notification or alternative option?
2. Segregation of Girls and Boys in school.
3. Sharia Law being enshrined in to UK law.
4. Islamic Stance on same sex relationships.
5. Forced Marriages.
6. Honour Killings.
7. Organised Grooming of vulnerable teenage girls by Pakistani male gangs.
8. Abuse of UK Troops at home coming parades by 'Fundamental' muslims.
9. 7th July 2005
10. So called UK nationals training and fighting with insurgent islamist armies in foreign wars.
11. The withdrawal of pork products from mainstream food retailers as it offends muslims.
Just a few things that serve to alienate the muslim community from mainstream UK.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Since when was the Netherlands or Belgium a micro state?
And I'm not entirely sure you've looked at birth rates in any great detail or how they work.
Given roughly 80% of the UK is still classified as 'white' chat like yours is just far right scaremongering.
Who said the Netherlands or Belgium are micro states ? The population density of England overtook the Netherlands, previously the most densely populated country in Europe, a few years back. A micro state would be a Principality like Monaco.
I've got a degree in Economics and generally have middle of the road politics. What have I written about demographic trends that is incorrect ? Trying to dismiss or close down debate with words like 'scaremongering' or inferring racism is poor form.0 -
Of course, yes! Oh hang on a minute, there are possible exceptions in the first and second world wars, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, pretty much all of Britain's colonial wars, and France's, and China's, and......MountainMonster wrote:If there was no religion anymore the world would be peaceful, as *almost* every conflict known to man involves two different religions, or beliefs that stem from religious teachings, and is simply fuelled by the religion themselves.
in fact:
Joseph Stalin - 42,672,000
Mao Zedong - 37,828,000
Adolf Hitler - 20,946,000
Chiang Kai-shek - 10,214,000
Vladimir Lenin - 4,017,000
Hideki Tojo - 3,990,000
Pol Pot - 2,397,0003
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MountainMonster wrote:According to a quick bit of Bing research the population density of the UK is about 660 per square mile. I wonder if he is taking the London population density and assuming that it is the norm.
I also find it extremely hard to believe that less than 50% of London is actually British. Yet again, where did you get your facts?
England is 50,346 sq miles and the population listed in the 2011 census 53,012,456. This equates to 1052.9 people per sq mile.
To this basic figure needs to be added an estimate of those who didn't fill in the census form for various reasons.0 -
adamfo wrote:Paulie W wrote:adamfo wrote:nathancom wrote:
I am still wondering when someone is going to 1) prove that immigration is having a major and detrimental effect on the country. Certainly some areas have experienced more immigration than others but putting aside base xenophobia, what harm is it causing, other than extending the cultural vibrancy of the country and supplying hard workers looking to establish themselves in a new country
I don't support Ukip however it's clear the harm is being caused in England from high levels of migration. . Using the figures from the last census the population density is now 1170 people per square mile. If you ignore the micro states this makes England the most densely populated country in the western World. Indeed in the whole World, only Bangladesh and South Korea are significantly higher.
The stats from London show more than 50% of people living there where not born in the UK. What other capital city in the World are the indigenous population the minority ?
Currently 4.9% of the UK are Muslim. The birth rate is around 3.6, well above replacement level. If we assume a generation is 15 years Muslims will be the majority in the UK within 70 years and England a Muslim caliphate.
I'd be interested to know where these figures come from and what some of them even mean: 3.6 what exactly? Is this a figure for the average number of children borne by muslim women? Birth rate is normally expressed as number of births per 1000 of population and 3.6 is far too low for this. 1170 is about 5 times higher than any figure I've seen for UK population density.
If you're going to talk rubbish try making your stats look remotely realistic.
Go back and read my post. I said England.The figures per square mile are correct.The census results are online.
As for births, well obviously the figure is the fertility rate for Women. The replacement rate is 2. Japan is a very low 1.4. White British the figure is around 1.57 and the UK as a whole just bellow 2.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 7rank.html
Before you accuse people of talking rubbish please check your facts !
You're right about population density - I was thinking UK which is obviously much lower.
It is not obvious that you are talking about children born per woman since you refer to birth rate - I went back and read your post!
But lets get to the rubbish bit shall we - you state that migration is clearly causing harm. It isnt clear to me and none of your figures support this argument. They only suggest that we live in a highly populated island which has always been true and that the capital in particular has a substantial immigrant population - what a surprise! Not at all reflective of the history of London at all!
I'm struggling to follow how you arrive at the conclusion that muslims will be the majority based on the fertility rates. Is this your own calculation? Perhaps you could show your workings?
Your frankly ridiculous reference to a Muslim Caliphate rather shows your colours I'm afraid,0 -
Mr Goo wrote:Pina..100
You are quite obviously an advocate of Islam and see no problem with its practices and culture pervading UK society. Could you please square the circle for me on how the following have a place in modern Britain.
1. Halal Meat Why should the majority of UK citizens have barbarically slaughtered meat enforced on them without consultation, notification or alternative option?
2. Segregation of Girls and Boys in school.
3. Sharia Law being enshrined in to UK law.
4. Islamic Stance on same sex relationships.
5. Forced Marriages.
6. Honour Killings.
7. Organised Grooming of vulnerable teenage girls by Pakistani male gangs.
8. Abuse of UK Troops at home coming parades by 'Fundamental' muslims.
9. 7th July 2005
10. So called UK nationals training and fighting with insurgent islamist armies in foreign wars.
11. The withdrawal of pork products from mainstream food retailers as it offends muslims.
Just a few things that serve to alienate the muslim community from mainstream UK.
1: Yes, Halal meat is produced in a cruel fashion. So, for that matter is Kosher meat, about which no-one gave a single toss for decades. I'm all for ethical slaughter all round, but it's mendacious to suggest cruel slaughter is all due to Muslims. Of course, the decision to slaughter all by Halal by some suppliers was a market-based decision, borne of convenience, not religious kowtowing.
2: Segregation of Girls and Boys in schools isn't an exclusively Muslim practice. That it occurs at all is a function of poorly conceived Faith School provision, and I'd happily see all faith schools closed down.
3: A bogeyman, that has never occurred in any meaningful fashion. A few instances of Sharia-style arbitration (subservient to real courts) hardly constitutes a takeover of any law. Again, similar provisons for Jewish and Christian pseudo-courts have existed without controversy for years.
4: Like it or not, free speech. No better or worse than fundies of any stripe.
5: Not exclusively or predominantly a Muslim problem.
6: "Honour Killings" are simply the name attached when Muslims kill family members. We call them "killings" otherwise. Also: Guilt by association, collective responsibility.
7: You're using the actions of one criminal group to tar an entire section of the community. Guilt by association. Collective responsibility.
8: Like it or not, free speech. It's either for everyone, or it isn't.
9: Can we blame all the British for Bloody Sunday, or the Dublin/Monaghan Bombs? More guilt by association.
10: Ah. Criminals as they'd be called. Guilt by association. Again.
11: A few franchise operators altered menus to meet local demographics. There has been no nationwide change. It has happened, and continues to happen for non-religious, regional variation reasons, without any controversey.
In short: A screed of ill-considered, half baked arguments that don't bear any scrutiny.0 -
MisterMuncher wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Pina..100
You are quite obviously an advocate of Islam and see no problem with its practices and culture pervading UK society. Could you please square the circle for me on how the following have a place in modern Britain.
1. Halal Meat Why should the majority of UK citizens have barbarically slaughtered meat enforced on them without consultation, notification or alternative option?
2. Segregation of Girls and Boys in school.
3. Sharia Law being enshrined in to UK law.
4. Islamic Stance on same sex relationships.
5. Forced Marriages.
6. Honour Killings.
7. Organised Grooming of vulnerable teenage girls by Pakistani male gangs.
8. Abuse of UK Troops at home coming parades by 'Fundamental' muslims.
9. 7th July 2005
10. So called UK nationals training and fighting with insurgent islamist armies in foreign wars.
11. The withdrawal of pork products from mainstream food retailers as it offends muslims.
Just a few things that serve to alienate the muslim community from mainstream UK.
1: Yes, Halal meat is produced in a cruel fashion. So, for that matter is Kosher meat, about which no-one gave a single toss for decades. I'm all for ethical slaughter all round, but it's mendacious to suggest cruel slaughter is all due to Muslims. Of course, the decision to slaughter all by Halal by some suppliers was a market-based decision, borne of convenience, not religious kowtowing. No, it is kowtowing to the Religion otherwise why do it at all
2: Segregation of Girls and Boys in schools isn't an exclusively Muslim practice. That it occurs at all is a function of poorly conceived Faith School provision, and I'd happily see all faith schools closed down. Agree, a ban on any religious activity should be in place and No faith schools. Period
3: A bogeyman, that has never occurred in any meaningful fashion. A few instances of Sharia-style arbitration (subservient to real courts) hardly constitutes a takeover of any law. Again, similar provisons for Jewish and Christian pseudo-courts have existed without controversy for years. Currently going through early parts of legislation at moment.
4: Like it or not, free speech. No better or worse than fundies of any stripe. Answer the point
5: Not exclusively or predominantly a Muslim problem. Perhaps not, but to see young teenage muslim girls disappear from the UK to marry in Pakistan is on the increase
6: "Honour Killings" are simply the name attached when Muslims kill family members. We call them "killings" otherwise. Also: Guilt by association, collective responsibility. 8ull 5hit, and you know it
7: You're using the actions of one criminal group to tar an entire section of the community. Guilt by association. Collective responsibility. Too many instance over the last half dozen years for you to deny that their is a cultural problem with Islam and its attitude to 'white' girls.
8: Like it or not, free speech. It's either for everyone, or it isn't. Don't think anyone would be permitted to stand outside a mosque on a Friday lunchtime and air anti Islamic views. Without being gaoled.
9: Can we blame all the British for Bloody Sunday, or the Dublin/Monaghan Bombs? More guilt by association. Their relatives new of their intentions and did nothing. ie the White Widow.
10: Ah. Criminals as they'd be called. Guilt by association. Again. Not criminal. Terrorist. Citizenship should be revoked. Let the 5hiites stay in Syriah.
11: A few franchise operators altered menus to meet local demographics. There has been no nationwide change. It has happened, and continues to happen for non-religious, regional variation reasons, without any controversey.Again kowtowing to a minority population
In short: A screed of ill-considered, half baked arguments that don't bear any scrutiny.
Arguments that don't bear scrunity in your world perhaps. Don't try to hide the fact that Honour Killings are just killings They are based on Islamic principals of going against the wishes of your family. I used to work with a Non practicing muslim. He married a British white girl, in secret without his parents or siblings knowing. Somehow they found out and his two brothers attempted to abduct him to take him back to Bangladesh, as it was against the families strict Islamic principals, to marry outside the faith. He had embraced the free and democratic way of British life. His family whilst long term residents couldn't. I suggest they should leave.
Now. What about the growing trend in pregnancy terminations of the female foetus, because a male life in the eyes of the Prophet Mohamed has greater value than a female. Please explain that away.
All 11 (there are more) of my points are not exclusive to Islam, I don't deny. However they are ALL entrenched in the Islamic way of life and/or their attitude to Non Believers. Or there are idiots in our society that think we should bend and change the rules to suit a minority.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
No it is not. These sort of killings also happen in non muslim communities for the same reasons (it often seems to me happen in communities originating from the near east and Asia). It is a cultural thing, not a religious thing. many cultures have similar views about certain things but different religions.Mr Goo wrote:6: "Honour Killings" are simply the name attached when Muslims kill family members. We call them "killings" otherwise. Also: Guilt by association, collective responsibility. 8ull 5hit, and you know it
It's no point trying sell pig products in majority Jewish and Muslim areas because it wouldn't sell. Same with beef and Hindu areas. Shops often tailor their product range to their location. It is nothing new, affects only small areas, and taking the country as a whole such products are easily available and will continue to be. Why wouldn't shop keepers try and stock stuff that sell so they don't lose money?Mr Goo wrote:11: A few franchise operators altered menus to meet local demographics. There has been no nationwide change. It has happened, and continues to happen for non-religious, regional variation reasons, without any controversy.Again kowtowing to a minority population
Male children are more highly prized in India (not majority Muslim), China (not majority Muslim by an ever bigger margin an indeed there will be problems in China as men outnumber women now.), and many other places. Again, it is a cultural issue. Males have traditionally been the main breadwinners of families so when parents would like their offspring to do well and have good prospects many in certain areas of the world would prefer boys. Over time things have changed in the more liberal western world but going back a few hundred years in Europe you would probably find the same preference.Mr Goo wrote:Now. What about the growing trend in pregnancy terminations of the female foetus, because a male life in the eyes of the Prophet Mohamed has greater value than a female. Please explain that away.0 -
A cultural thing yes. That has reared its head in 21st century Britain, due to the influx and growing muslim population. The Home Office recognise it as a problem, as many young teenage muslim girls do not return to school after the summer holidays. They are whisked off to Pakistan to become slaves to the family in which they are married into.wongataa wrote:Male children are more highly prized in India (not majority Muslim), China (not majority Muslim by an ever bigger margin an indeed there will be problems in China as men outnumber women now.), and many other places. Again, it is a cultural issue. Males have traditionally been the main breadwinners of families so when parents would like their offspring to do well and have good prospects many in certain areas of the world would prefer boys. Over time things have changed in the more liberal western world but going back a few hundred years in Europe you would probably find the same preference.
You cannot compare it to what happened on these shores over 500 years ago. The current year is 2014. Men have walled on the moon. We have mapped the human gene. We can replace the human heart. The only comparison to be made, is that the mentality and culture of Islam is Medieval.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
Another fine example of Islamic sensitivity.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/dutch-face-saudi-anger-over-144012631.htmlAlways be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
Geert Wiilders sets out to wind up Muslims and we're supposed to then be shocked that they're wound up?0
