Farage unravels on LBC.

debeli

I heard today an LBC interview with N Farage Esq.

I worry that this man who peddles something not unlike a sort of pantomime (nod, nod, wink, wink) BNP-Lite agenda is too often allowed to gurn his way Boris-like through interviews with the mass media.

Not this one.

I have never before HEARD a man sweat. But Nigel sounded like a sweating man to me.

He used dodgy (non) facts and was taken to task for it. He was inconsistent and suffered likewise. He fudged the unfudgeable and came out of it looking a self-serving, clueless little-Englander.

Which seems about right. Many people (not a few who are known to me) seem to buy any old nonsense this man spouts. I imagine this interview will not reach the wider public and that UKIP will do jolly well in coming polls.

Bizarre.... Maybe if we are daft enough to take this man seriously, we deserve him.

Rant (tired rant) over. Have a lovely day everyone!

Pross

Farage was never raveled in the first place. He seems incapable of working out people are laughing at him and not with him when he makes appearances on things like HIGNFY.

morstar

And yet he's proving worryingly effective at gaining support. The popularity of ukip is totally dependent on his personal appeal.
He's appealing to what I can only describe as respectable racists quite well. I.e. people who hold quite right wing opinions but at least retain the sense to realise that being ruled by skinheads under the BNP umbrella may not actually be too appealing.
Because he looks and appears normal on the surface, he is effective. Why oh why more people don't try and see beyond that veneer is quite worrying.
I guess he's right place at right time.

RideOnTime

No Footage... then Footage of Farage
FOOtage

ddraver

morstar wrote:

And yet he's proving worryingly effective at gaining support. The popularity of ukip is totally dependent on his personal appeal.
He's appealing to what I can only describe as respectable racists quite well. I.e. people who hold quite right wing opinions but at least retain the sense to realise that being ruled by skinheads under the BNP umbrella may not actually be too appealing.
Because he looks and appears normal on the surface, he is effective. Why oh why more people don't try and see beyond that veneer is quite worrying.
I guess he's right place at right time.

Gert Wilders has done the same in The Netherlands...it's very scary (but I suppose not at all surprising) how willing people are to blame a mystical someone else for their own problems

nathancom

Jaw dropping. http://www.lbc.co.uk/watch-nigel-farage-v-james-obrien-live-from-1130-90532

sungod

only time i've enjoyed watching the loathsome racist sneaky scumbag

Frank the tank

Not watched the link, however, the man is a latter day Adolf Hitler.

And this bunch of sh1ts running the show now are not too far removed. The way they are economically "cleansing" wealthy parts of the country and forcing the poor out, well, the only thing missing are cattle trucks and incinerators.

mfin

morstar wrote:

Why oh why more people don't try and see beyond that veneer is quite worrying.

That's politics for you, most voters are uninformed and vote for all sorts of other reasons, Tony Blair did well out of it.

pinno

The support for Farage is worrying. It reminds me somehow of Alf Garnet. One half took vicarious pleasure in his racism and bigotry and the other half didn't realise that it was all tongue in cheek and a send up of that attitude.
Farage is appealing to the Xenophobia despite recent reports contradicting the expected influx of Bulgarians and the fact that immigrants are worth more to the economy than they cost.

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.

tangled_metal

What I find interesting about UKIP is how they target areas with social cohesion issues. What I mean is areas where there have been big influxes from eastern Europe or areas with poor racial mixing with a feeling that white British "working class" is losing out. IIRC the former is one of the SE England towns and the latter is the like of east lancs towns like Burnley.
Like it or not among those working class, white Brits where there is frustration with mainstream politicians he gains a few ears. They've lost faith in Labour, never been with the conservatives, whoever says what the others aren't saying wins. You can pick all the holes in UKIP's rhetoric it won't change them. I'd be interested to find out if some of those new UKIP voters would rather choose a "none of the above" vote if there was such a thing. Make it legal requirement to vote but give them a FU all option. That's what UKIP, monster raving, etc are all about I think.

sloppyschleckonds

rick_chasey

Bit tasteless schleckonds.

He's the barely acceptable face of a bunch of swivel eyed loons, as I've said on here many times.

sloppyschleckonds

See the latest poll has UKIP with a 11 point lead for next week's European Parliament election.

UKIP 35% (+1)
Labour 24% (0)
Con 20% (-2)
Green 7% (+2)
LibDem 6% (-2)
Other 8% (0)

mr_goo

Frank the tank wrote:

Not watched the link, however, the man is a latter day Adolf Hitler.

And this bunch of sh1ts running the show now are not too far removed. The way they are economically "cleansing" wealthy parts of the country and forcing the poor out, well, the only thing missing are cattle trucks and incinerators.

Frank. Before you and others start spouting off about right wing leaning politicians and comparing them to Nazis and Fascist. Take a wee look at the chart below.



It never ceases to amaze me that all you left leaning sheep seem to think that your house is in order. I find it incredulous that Unite Against Fascism which is populated by socialists, communists and most bizarrely muslims seem to suffer from extreme historical amnesia, when protesting against any right wing activity. The muslim element of members I find strange. They forget the 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS. Which was composed of Muslim Albanians. Hitler recruited Muslims to hunt down Jews to be sent to concentration camps. This special Muslim division of the SS was better known for murder, rape and looting (nothing has changed with some elements who practice this religion).

I for one will be voting for UKIP, I have even helped with canvassing this campaign. Yes, I am fed up with immigration. It is putting pressure on our limited infrastructure ie NHS, Education, Housing. I also have no trust in the corrupt mainstream 3. The Tories and Lib Dems at least don't try to shy away from the fact that most of them are from privileged backgrounds. Labour would have you think that they are all flat cap wearing, whippet owning blue collar workers. This couldn't be further from the reality.

The reason I will vote UKIP is to protest as best as possible on a local issue. This current UK administration led by the Lib Dem energy policy, is railroading the worlds largest off shore wind farm just off the coast where I live. 220 of the worlds largest ever turbines at a height of 600ft!! Taller than the Isle of Wight, which they will stand next to.

At least UKIP have the common sense to realise that Wind Turbines are inefficient and the most costly form of generating electricity. The cost of which you are and will pay for in your bills.

nathancom

What a load of guff. Have fun voting and supporting a racist party. Did you even look at their policies?

rick_chasey

Bahaha. Claiming legitimacy by comparing global 'megamurders' and then saying that anti-far right people are by definition Stalinist/Maoist? Rather than just not far right? And then dribbling some nonsensical stuff about Muslims and hitler? Classic.

So you know when I call people UKIP a bunch of swivel-eyed loons? Exactly.

rick_chasey

Ultimately UKIP are a one issue party - and it's an issue that's popular across most of Western Europe.

Hence they expect to do well in European elections and won't even contest by-elections because they know they'll sink if they have to explain policy that is beyond 'we want out of the EU'.

And they're currently working out that there is good reasons that the established political parties have lines to toe, speak like robots, avoid answering certain questions, etc. Because the alternative is that LBC interview, i.e. a car crash.

pinno

Mr Goo wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

Not watched the link, however, the man is a latter day Adolf Hitler.

And this bunch of sh1ts running the show now are not too far removed. The way they are economically "cleansing" wealthy parts of the country and forcing the poor out, well, the only thing missing are cattle trucks and incinerators.

Frank. Before you and others start spouting off about right wing leaning politicians and comparing them to Nazis and Fascist. Take a wee look at the chart below.



It never ceases to amaze me that all you left leaning sheep seem to think that your house is in order. I find it incredulous that Unite Against Fascism which is populated by socialists, communists and most bizarrely muslims seem to suffer from extreme historical amnesia, when protesting against any right wing activity. The muslim element of members I find strange. They forget the 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS. Which was composed of Muslim Albanians. Hitler recruited Muslims to hunt down Jews to be sent to concentration camps. This special Muslim division of the SS was better known for murder, rape and looting (nothing has changed with some elements who practice this religion).

I for one will be voting for UKIP, I have even helped with canvassing this campaign. Yes, I am fed up with immigration. It is putting pressure on our limited infrastructure ie NHS, Education, Housing. I also have no trust in the corrupt mainstream 3. The Tories and Lib Dems at least don't try to shy away from the fact that most of them are from privileged backgrounds. Labour would have you think that they are all flat cap wearing, whippet owning blue collar workers. This couldn't be further from the reality.

The reason I will vote UKIP is to protest as best as possible on a local issue. This current UK administration led by the Lib Dem energy policy, is railroading the worlds largest off shore wind farm just off the coast where I live. 220 of the worlds largest ever turbines at a height of 600ft!! Taller than the Isle of Wight, which they will stand next to.

At least UKIP have the common sense to realise that Wind Turbines are inefficient and the most costly form of generating electricity. The cost of which you are and will pay for in your bills.

Horseshit.

Immigrants generate more for the economy than they cost. There are fewer benefit tourists than the political parties say there are. We have a major skills shortage and the average British worker has lost any semblance of a work ethic which immigrants tend to have.

As far as housing is concerned, reducing immigration will hardly make a difference. The housing crisis in the UK started in the 70's when the then Labour party attempted to cap mortgages to 3 times annual salary (Dennis Healey) but the bill was quashed by the Tories. Thatcher then removed the Rent Authority in 1985. We have a huge housing problem in our region and there are hardly any immigrants.
Since then we have failed to address the housing shortage well before the Daily Heil and other tabloids took the bit in their frothing, mangy mouths.

I am quite puzzled as to why you think supporting a bunch of Xenophobes is justified because they are also opposed to wind farms.

This is single issue politics in the face of the demise of political ideology.

rick_chasey

http://road.cc/content/forum/77338-ukip-policies-bikes

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paultheparaglider

So they aren't a one policy only party then.

finchy

Mr Goo wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me that all you left leaning sheep seem to think that your house is in order. I find it incredulous that Unite Against Fascism which is populated by socialists, communists and most bizarrely muslims seem to suffer from extreme historical amnesia, when protesting against any right wing activity.

Well, seeing as most of the British Left isn't (and never has been) made up of Stalinists and Maoists and opposes the death penalty, I don't see what the mass murderers of the USSR and China have to do with UAF.

Mr Goo wrote:

The muslim element of members I find strange. They forget the 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS. Which was composed of Muslim Albanians. Hitler recruited Muslims to hunt down Jews to be sent to concentration camps. This special Muslim division of the SS was better known for murder, rape and looting (nothing has changed with some elements who practice this religion).

How many UAF Muslims were members of the SS? I can't be 100% certain, but I would bet that the number is something in the region of zero.

DeVlaeminck

pinarello001 wrote:

Immigrants generate more for the economy than they cost. There are fewer benefit tourists than the political parties say there are. We have a major skills shortage and the average British worker has lost any semblance of a work ethic which immigrants tend to have.

I don't agree with your portrayal of us as a country of wasters saved by hard working immigrants. Yes of course there are immigrants that come here keen to work just as there are Brits that are keen to work, in fact the majority of both groups. There are also immigrants that come here to abuse the benefits system and commit crime just as there are Brits that do the same.

ballysmate

Frank the tank wrote:

Not watched the link, however, the man is a latter day Adolf Hitler.

And this bunch of sh1ts running the show now are not too far removed. The way they are economically "cleansing" wealthy parts of the country and forcing the poor out, well, the only thing missing are cattle trucks and incinerators.

Emotive words Frank. Utter bollox but emotive non the less.
I give you the benefit of the doubt, as I believe you wouldn't intentionally insult the people and families who suffered such atrocities.

Anyway, back to Farage.

I never voted for him his party, the BNP or any of their ilk and can't see the occasion when I would.
What is worrying is that a party labelled Far Right wing, attracts voters from the opposite end of the political spectrum.
Burnley, which I think is outside the stockbroker belt and not very Conservative, voted 8 BNP councillors and it has taken 11 years to get rid. At one point BNP had a 35% popularity. Strange, the nasty people are not always natural right wingers.

Here is a link to Frank's Pravda, The Daily Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ro ... mn-1850110

nathancom

The people who voted for Hitler we primarily drawn from the working class. During times of economic difficulty people who are suffering (ie not the well off and wealthy) naturally look for alternatives to a system that is punishing them.

verylonglegs

nathancom wrote:

The people who voted for Hitler we primarily drawn from the working class. During times of economic difficulty people who are suffering (ie not the well off and wealthy) naturally look for alternatives to a system that is punishing them.

Which is why that given that Labour's traditional core voters are most affected by immigration their policy of just denouncing anyone who queries the influx as racists is not good enough. They really need to actually start talking and debating instead of just dismissing the voters as idiots.

morstar

verylonglegs wrote:

nathancom wrote:

The people who voted for Hitler we primarily drawn from the working class. During times of economic difficulty people who are suffering (ie not the well off and wealthy) naturally look for alternatives to a system that is punishing them.

Which is why that given that Labour's traditional core voters are most affected by immigration their policy of just denouncing anyone who queries the influx as racists is not good enough. They really need to actually start talking and debating instead of just dismissing the voters as idiots.

Both of these points are finally getting down to the key issues so well said both of you.

The challenge is huge though! If your 'working man' is prepared to vote for a party based on one issue despite the fact that almost everything else that party stands for would be in his own worst interests, you could be forgiven for wondering, 'why bother'. Doesn't this prove that the voters in question are idiots?

Personally, I don't have a significant issue with immigration but we absolutely do need to find a way to debate it openly and properly without the racist word being bandied around too readily. I'd suggest the best approach is to refrain from any use of the terms 'racism' or 'racist' while engaging in debates. Fight them on facts and behind the scenes build the evidence of their true racist behaviours or complete inconsistencies that can undermine them outside of the debating forum.

e.g. that prat with his sexist remarks and a string of other gaffs. The best bit of video I ever saw was somebody shouting at a UKIP canvasser that the party was racist and homophobic. The response, 'we're not homophobic'. Priceless!

ballysmate

Re: Vote UKIP - stop cyclists stealing roadspace!

by Ballysmate » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:52 am
Although I am not linking them with UKIP in any political way, the same principle applies to BNP.
Their policies may be thought odious by the vast majority in the country, but for years they were the only 'party' who recognised that immigration was a growing problem for a large portion of the electorate. People who were concerned about the UK's growing population were branded racists, xenophobes and the like, by mainstream politicians and media. People had no one to give their fears voice and were seduced by BNP.
They have gone on to win Council seats, seats in the London Assembley and the European Parliament. I was shocked to find out that BNP gained over 5% of the vote in the 2008 London Mayoral Election, finishing fifth. London is an extremely cosmopolitan city, so for a party like BNP to gain 1 in 20 votes is remarkable and worrying.
Again, this has been brought about by the main parties failure to deal with the subject of immigration, which for some areas in the country is of much more pressing concern than issues like gay marriage for instance.
And no, before somebody says otherwise, I am not against gay marriage. Probably, like a lot of people up and down the country, I don't give a flying feck about it. I am just using it as an example of the Government 'Hanging pictures while the roof is falling in'.

This is a post from over a year ago. Apart from the awareness of policies of UKIP being more aligned with BNP, the rest is still valid.

ddraver

There is a way to solve the problem - the rest of us actually go out and vote too.

But we won't, I don't even have a job at the moment and I know I won't...

ballysmate

nathancom wrote:

The people who voted for Hitler we primarily drawn from the working class. During times of economic difficulty people who are suffering (ie not the well off and wealthy) naturally look for alternatives to a system that is punishing them.

Ah, those nasty socialists.
I always knew Stevo and I were on the side of the good guys.

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

nathancom wrote:

The people who voted for Hitler we primarily drawn from the working class. During times of economic difficulty people who are suffering (ie not the well off and wealthy) naturally look for alternatives to a system that is punishing them.

Ah, those nasty socialists.
I always knew Stevo and I were on the side of the good guys.

Hitlers party was called the National Socialist Party IIRC...

As for 'swivel eyed loons', how many swivel eyed hard left class warrior types are still hiding in the Labour party I wonder? Milipede is the barely acceptable face of Labour.

And the Lib Dems? Well they are getting a bit desperate in their slagging off of UKIP, probably because UKIP are well ahead of them in the share of votes - whether for the right reasons or not. In 2015 it'll be welcome to the 'Arsenal 4th place' in the political premier league