Henao withdrawn from racing
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Yes, of course. But doping gives an almost instantaneous benefit, while training is more gradual. It's not the change that is important, but the rate of change. And they are getting this information on a daily basis - rather than the occasional test which you get with blood.underlayunderlay wrote:RichN95 wrote:They look at the power files of every session of every rider. They don't have to fly people around the world to collect them. If a rider suddenly starts doing his 400w for half an hour drill at 20bpm lower than he has ever done previously that's probably a better indicator of dodginess than a one off blood test.
Riders dope to improve performance. So if they are doping it will show in their performance.
Not sure it necessarily follows that you can pick things up through that data - if they're training properly, this should also show in their performance. Otherwise why bother?Twitter: @RichN950 -
What's remarkable is how many of theories are based on the theorist's terrible reading comprehension. (Not the Velorooms one)Above The Cows wrote:RichN95 wrote:We should bear in mind though that that hypothesis has been arrived at by people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
What with this and missing planes I've had my fill of conspiracy hypothesists (I won't give them the honour of calling them theorists) for one week.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Richmond Racer wrote:They could merge into one giant integrated conspiracy theory
I've discovered the unifying theory.
Waits patiently to be spoken to...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Macaloon wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:They could merge into one giant integrated conspiracy theory
I've discovered the unifying theory.
Waits patiently to be spoken to
Go on then. Spill the beans.
EDIT - But not if its altitude, Sky/the sky or variations thereof.Correlation is not causation.0 -
Macaloon wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:They could merge into one giant integrated conspiracy theory
I've discovered the unifying theory.
Waits patiently to be spoken to
Ive just worked out the square root of -1, it's never been worked out before, it's always been though impossibleWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to take you down to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't.
Incidentally, there are two square roots of -1. Not impossible, just imaginary.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
You don't really want to know. You're just pretending to be interested.
[Even further OT - They're running the original radio series on radio 4 extra at the moment. For a period piece it's uncannily prophetic]...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Macaloon wrote:You don't really want to know. You're just pretending to be interested.
[Even further OT - They're running the original radio series on radio 4 extra at the moment. For a period piece it's uncannily prophetic]
To my shame, I've never heard the original radio series. :oops:Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I have a signed first edition...0
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Dave (Dim) @dimspace · 39m
@franmillar Fran, are you able to confirm if the Henao issue is related to the new steroidal element of the bio passport, specifically 1/2
Fran Millar @franmillar · 13m
@dimspace Hi Dave, as per the statement the tests in questions are CADF ABP blood tests. (1)
Fran Millar @franmillar · 11m
@dimspace this was the first time our altitude native athletes were tested as part of the ABP at home in Colombia. (2
Fran Millar @franmillar · 12m
@dimspace Thought that was clear in the statement, happy to clarify though, after this weekend I am not keen to engage much more. (3)
Dave (Dim)@dimspace ·
@franmillar ah ok. now that makes much more sense. the colombian labs have never done abp sampling before.
Dave (Dim)@dimspace ·
@franmillar that actually clears it up a lot. it said "new tests" and things were a bit confusing to a lot of people.
Dave (Dim) @dimspace · 10m
The new element of the test is that Colombian athletes have never been tested for Bio Passport purposes before while in colombia
Fran Millar @franmillar · 8m
@dimspace Our athletes - not sure if other Colombians have been tested we haven't had them on our athletes before. Just to be totally clear“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Been reading those on VRs.
So................from when Quintana climbed off his bike after LBL, went home and returned to France, just in time for the Tour presentation......................his BP wasn't tested or updated.
Good to know.
All available power to the Clinic deflectors, Scotty...."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
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So Oli Cookson, son of UCI president Brian Cookson is in Colombia with Henao?
Sometimes I think Sky do these things just to wind people up.....“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I'm sure RR can shed more light, but isn't Oli Cookson fluent in Spanish so it would make sense to send him out there rather than someone who didn't speak the language?
Personally I think it's encouraging that the team are prepared to have someone out in Colombia supporting Henao through this.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:So Oli Cookson, son of UCI president Brian Cookson is in Colombia with Henao?
Sometimes I think Sky do these things just to wind people up.....
He's been working for Sky ever since Autumn 2010. Speaks fluent Spanish, and acts as a bridge with the Spanish and Colombian riders on the team, amongst other things.
His employment by the team has never been a secret - he's been mentioned in everything from Lionel Birnie features on being embedded with the team during races, to Richard Moore's Sky's the Limit, and even featured in an entire chapter in David Walsh's book.
If Henao was under investigation by the UCI, maybe flutterings of disquiet would be understandable. But he's not. This is a team-led, team-driven exercise. They've sent OC out with the Henaos as chaparone to Sergio, partly so that he feels supported by the team, also OC goes out with him and Sebastien on training rides etc - pretty much living with him.
Photo of him out in Colombia out training with the Henao cousins and Rigo Uran, on Rigo's Twitter feed. Also picture of him with Sergio and well known Colombian anti-doping movers and shakers, one evening last week, if you're interested.
You cant miss him - he bears more than a passing resemblance to Wiggins.0 -
OC in action on a bike, if anyone's interested
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Richmond Racer wrote:OC in action on a bike, if anyone's interested
http://www.teamsky.com/video/0,27287,17 ... 76,00.html
Interesting indeed.
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How does him being in that work from a commercial perspective?Contador is the Greatest0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:TailWindHome wrote:So Oli Cookson, son of UCI president Brian Cookson is in Colombia with Henao?
Sometimes I think Sky do these things just to wind people up.....
He's been working for Sky ever since Autumn 2010. Speaks fluent Spanish, and acts as a bridge with the Spanish and Colombian riders on the team, amongst other things.
His employment by the team has never been a secret - he's been mentioned in everything from Lionel Birnie features on being embedded with the team during races, to Richard Moore's Sky's the Limit, and even featured in an entire chapter in David Walsh's book.
If Henao was under investigation by the UCI, maybe flutterings of disquiet would be understandable. But he's not. This is a team-led, team-driven exercise. They've sent OC out with the Henaos as chaparone to Sergio, partly so that he feels supported by the team, also OC goes out with him and Sebastien on training rides etc - pretty much living with him.
Photo of him out in Colombia out training with the Henao cousins and Rigo Uran, on Rigo's Twitter feed. Also picture of him with Sergio and well known Colombian anti-doping movers and shakers, one evening last week, if you're interested.
You cant miss him - he bears more than a passing resemblance to Wiggins.
4 year contract.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/29-04-2 ... 7918.shtml
To be honest it really is not acceptable. You can say both he and Cookson senior are honest etc but if your son came to you and asked about something that would benefit Sky (like a new tech invention only they have as the first example that springs to mind) then it would be a lot harder to say no then if it was someone you had no connection with.
What is Cookson juniors credentials? i know nothing about him and am wondering whether he is in this position due to merit or because his father is who he is?Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:4 year contract.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/29-04-2 ... 7918.shtml
To be honest it really is not acceptable. You can say both he and Cookson senior are honest etc but if your son came to you and asked about something that would benefit Sky (like a new tech invention only they have as the first example that springs to mind) then it would be a lot harder to say no then if it was someone you had no connection with.
What is Cookson juniors credentials? i know nothing about him and am wondering whether he is in this position due to merit or because his father is who he is?
Were you as outspoken about other members of the McQuaid family being involved in cycling whist Pat was head of the UCI?0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:TailWindHome wrote:So Oli Cookson, son of UCI president Brian Cookson is in Colombia with Henao?
Sometimes I think Sky do these things just to wind people up.....
He's been working for Sky ever since Autumn 2010. Speaks fluent Spanish, and acts as a bridge with the Spanish and Colombian riders on the team, amongst other things.
His employment by the team has never been a secret - he's been mentioned in everything from Lionel Birnie features on being embedded with the team during races, to Richard Moore's Sky's the Limit, and even featured in an entire chapter in David Walsh's book.
If Henao was under investigation by the UCI, maybe flutterings of disquiet would be understandable. But he's not. This is a team-led, team-driven exercise. They've sent OC out with the Henaos as chaparone to Sergio, partly so that he feels supported by the team, also OC goes out with him and Sebastien on training rides etc - pretty much living with him.
Photo of him out in Colombia out training with the Henao cousins and Rigo Uran, on Rigo's Twitter feed. Also picture of him with Sergio and well known Colombian anti-doping movers and shakers, one evening last week, if you're interested.
You cant miss him - he bears more than a passing resemblance to Wiggins.
4 year contract.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/29-04-2 ... 7918.shtml
To be honest it really is not acceptable. You can say both he and Cookson senior are honest etc but if your son came to you and asked about something that would benefit Sky (like a new tech invention only they have as the first example that springs to mind) then it would be a lot harder to say no then if it was someone you had no connection with.
What is Cookson juniors credentials? i know nothing about him and am wondering whether he is in this position due to merit or because his father is who he is?
Really? You think that sort of thing would go on without the rest of the UCI having a say?
Maybe his son would call him the day before the Tour asking if a new rule could be imposed so that British riders get a 10 minute head start? Or that all sprints will be won by a Sky Rider?
If it was my child asking me for preferential treatment then I'd say no more readily than I would with anybody else.0 -
Do you realise that in business, politics, sports, whatever, some decisions are affected by relationships? It really is not a stretch of the imagination to understand this.
I'm not saying it will, but the possibility and the temptation certainly is.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Do you realise that in business, politics, sports, whatever, some decisions are affected by relationships? It really is not a stretch of the imagination to understand this.
I'm not saying it will, but the possibility and the temptation certainly is.
The man signing the pay checks for Purito and the rest of Katusha has been a senior member of the UCI Management Committee for years. If you're perturbed about possible ramifications of connections and relationships relating to a lowly team gopher, then Katusha's owner being on the top table of the governing body must surely be of more major concern?0 -
Yeah absolutely. Irrespective of the team is should not be allowed. Why would anyone think it is ok?Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:Do you realise that in business, politics, sports, whatever, some decisions are affected by relationships? It really is not a stretch of the imagination to understand this.
I'm not saying it will, but the possibility and the temptation certainly is.
Although it is not impossible it is very improbable that this would happen.
Given the recent history of the UCI I would have thought a situation like this would be avoided by the relevant parties.0
