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He's said that a) he's not on the biological passport which is a requirement and b) his other half wouldn't let him anyway.inseine wrote:I don't know if this has been discussed but I'm surprised that Michael Hutchinson doesn't have a crack before it gets put out of reach.
He really wasn't that far of Boardmans record so you'd imagine he'd be competitive with the new rules and current distance.Twitter: @RichN950 -
42.3km for Van Gucht yesterday.
http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.2151788
Sporza did live coverage on their website and everything!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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inseine wrote:I don't know if this has been discussed but I'm surprised that Michael Hutchinson doesn't have a crack before it gets put out of reach.
He really wasn't that far of Boardmans record so you'd imagine he'd be competitive with the new rules and current distance.
Matt Bottrill looked to do it but was denied the chance by the lack of a biological passport and the associated cost. He had the bike, done the track training etc. At the moment he's a better bet than Hutch, but is fed up at the barriers being placed by the UCI.0 -
It is an iconic world record we are talking about. Why would the UCI want hold it to a lower standard from a doping perspective?xscreamsuk wrote:inseine wrote:I don't know if this has been discussed but I'm surprised that Michael Hutchinson doesn't have a crack before it gets put out of reach.
He really wasn't that far of Boardmans record so you'd imagine he'd be competitive with the new rules and current distance.
Matt Bottrill looked to do it but was denied the chance by the lack of a biological passport and the associated cost. He had the bike, done the track training etc. At the moment he's a better bet than Hutch, but is fed up at the barriers being placed by the UCI.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
He's said that a) he's not on the biological passport which is a requirement and b) his other half wouldn't let him anyway.inseine wrote:I don't know if this has been discussed but I'm surprised that Michael Hutchinson doesn't have a crack before it gets put out of reach.
He really wasn't that far of Boardmans record so you'd imagine he'd be competitive with the new rules and current distance.
So is the passport requirement a new thing? I'm assuming he wasn't on it when he last had a go at it.0 -
inseine wrote:RichN95 wrote:
He's said that a) he's not on the biological passport which is a requirement and b) his other half wouldn't let him anyway.inseine wrote:I don't know if this has been discussed but I'm surprised that Michael Hutchinson doesn't have a crack before it gets put out of reach.
He really wasn't that far of Boardmans record so you'd imagine he'd be competitive with the new rules and current distance.
So is the passport requirement a new thing? I'm assuming he wasn't on it when he last had a go at it.
Well - the Passport is sort of a new thing! But yes, the requirement for Hour record attempters to be on the Passport is a new requirement since they changed the rules surrounding the Hour. Previously (AFAIK), the person breaking the record had to do anti-doping straight after the attempt. I assume this is also still a requirement (as the UCI rules state anyone breaking a World Record must submit to anti-doping to have the record verified).0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:42.3km for Van Gucht yesterday.
http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.2151788
Sporza did live coverage on their website and everything!
Jesus... :roll:
I suppose any good level club TTer can do thatleft the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:42.3km for Van Gucht yesterday.
http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.2151788
Sporza did live coverage on their website and everything!
Jesus... :roll:
I suppose any good level club TTer can do that
Lighten up, it was only a bit of fun"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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That's 26mph or a long 58' 25, which seems pretty respectable especially for a non cyclist. There's plenty of ok club riders who can't get under the hour for a 25 and he did this ride without motorpacing on a dual carriageway.0
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ugo.santalucia wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:42.3km for Van Gucht yesterday.
http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.2151788
Sporza did live coverage on their website and everything!
Jesus... :roll:
I suppose any good level club TTer can do that
Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.0 -
Pokerface wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:42.3km for Van Gucht yesterday.
http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.2151788
Sporza did live coverage on their website and everything!
Jesus... :roll:
I suppose any good level club TTer can do that
Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
I reckon I'd find it easy to slow down.0 -
Pokerface wrote:Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
Surely the track is significantly easier than the road? Super smooth surface and next to no wind. No braking or little thinking.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Odd comments from Cancellara:
"At the moment when I see all this hour record stuff, it’s just low level. Instead of higher it’s getting lower… but in the end, the UCI set up the rules, and everyone can do it who wants and there’s no limit. When there’s people motivated, they just do it”, Spartacus explained according to Velonews.
"As soon as I was thinking [about it] everything got huge. And that’s what I didn’t want it to [be]. Without putting effort from my side in I think there would never be a big discussion… Now there’s already two people [who have] had it, the third one will probably come."
"I still see that as another record, with the Merckx-style bike and with the normal TT position, however you want to call it,” Cancellara said. “Now we are in 2014 but we have to run with the times somehow, but I think it’s also nice to not run with the times. Because at the moment the equipment is much faster than even [Tony] Romiger’s time. Also, now with cycling the sport gets cleaner and we still ride faster. It’s also because equipment, scientist stuff, training all this", he added.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Pokerface wrote:Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
Surely the track is significantly easier than the road? Super smooth surface and next to no wind. No braking or little thinking.
No , it isn't.
You can't leave the pressure off the pedals 1 second, that's the problem.0 -
Keezx wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Pokerface wrote:Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
Surely the track is significantly easier than the road? Super smooth surface and next to no wind. No braking or little thinking.
No , it isn't.
You can't leave the pressure off the pedals 1 second, that's the problem.
Really? How to do you stop then if you cant take pressure off?Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Keezx wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Pokerface wrote:Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
Surely the track is significantly easier than the road? Super smooth surface and next to no wind. No braking or little thinking.
No , it isn't.
You can't leave the pressure off the pedals 1 second, that's the problem.
Really? How to do you stop then if you cant take pressure off?
Presumably stopping and reducing pressure on the pedals are perfectly possible, but simply result in you not going as fast as you could if you keep pedalling hard.0 -
Just wondering, but isn't it technically allowed to ride any bike that is UCI authorised for road or track? So in theory you could ride a regular TT bike, although nobody ever would because riding a track bike is obviously faster. So are we saying it is faster, but harder?0
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BigMat wrote:Just wondering, but isn't it technically allowed to ride any bike that is UCI authorised for road or track? So in theory you could ride a regular TT bike, although nobody ever would because riding a track bike is obviously faster. So are we saying it is faster, but harder?
Not sure what you mean.
Yes you can ride a regular TT or road bike on the track. But you still can only used a fixed gear. The last 2 Hour record attempts were done on slightly modified TT bikes rather than track bikes. Track bikes are generally designed for stiffness rather than pure aerodynamics - and bikes seem to favour sprinters instead of pursuiters.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Pokerface wrote:Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
Surely the track is significantly easier than the road? Super smooth surface and next to no wind. No braking or little thinking.
It's easier to go faster. It's not 'easier'.
Imagine if you were to put your road bike in the 53-11 gear and leave it there. Try setting off from a traffic light in that gear. Yes, you can do it, but it's hard work. Then you work your way up to speed. And then have to hold that speed for an hour. You can't stop pedalling. You can't let up the pressure on the pedals. If you DO, the bike will slow down very quickly. No problem, right?
Sure - you can do that, but then if you want to get the bike back up to the correct speed again, you have to push even harder. Building lactic acid quickly in the legs.
On the road you can take a break from pedalling if you need to. Your cadence and power output don't have to stay constant. You can use the gears to make it easier and increase speed if you need to.
On the track, if your cadence slows too much, the 'gear gets on top of you' - it will become incredibly heavy and hard to push. It's why gear selection is so important.
I have no doubt that you could go MUCH faster on the track with a geared bike over an hour as opposed to a fixed gear.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Keezx wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Pokerface wrote:Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
Surely the track is significantly easier than the road? Super smooth surface and next to no wind. No braking or little thinking.
No , it isn't.
You can't leave the pressure off the pedals 1 second, that's the problem.
Really? How to do you stop then if you cant take pressure off?
He meant you can't take the pressure off the pedals whilst you are riding.
When you want to stop, you let the pressure off and the bike will slow down on it's own fairly quickly. Once the bike slows enough, you can put a bit of back-pressure on the pedals to slow it down faster.0 -
Pokerface wrote:I have no doubt that you could go MUCH faster on the track with a geared bike over an hour as opposed to a fixed gear.
Has it always been in the rules for the hour that it HAS to be on a fixed gear? Don't think I'd ever appreciated that fact before0 -
Pokerface wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Pokerface wrote:Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
Surely the track is significantly easier than the road? Super smooth surface and next to no wind. No braking or little thinking.
It's easier to go faster. It's not 'easier'.
Imagine if you were to put your road bike in the 53-11 gear and leave it there. Try setting off from a traffic light in that gear. Yes, you can do it, but it's hard work. Then you work your way up to speed. And then have to hold that speed for an hour. You can't stop pedalling. You can't let up the pressure on the pedals. If you DO, the bike will slow down very quickly. No problem, right?
Sure - you can do that, but then if you want to get the bike back up to the correct speed again, you have to push even harder. Building lactic acid quickly in the legs.
On the road you can take a break from pedalling if you need to. Your cadence and power output don't have to stay constant. You can use the gears to make it easier and increase speed if you need to.
On the track, if your cadence slows too much, the 'gear gets on top of you' - it will become incredibly heavy and hard to push. It's why gear selection is so important.
I have no doubt that you could go MUCH faster on the track with a geared bike over an hour as opposed to a fixed gear.
Thanks for the points and I understand the original point being made now. The ability to sustain constant pain is what counts.
Although your last sentence I don't get the logic for...when Big Tone or Wilting Wiggo go for broke over an hour or so are you suggesting they would go quicker by pedalling speed X then speed Y then speed X then speed Y, rather than speed Z the whole time, where X > Z > Y?Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Pokerface wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Pokerface wrote:Yes, but not on the track. Track is so much harder as you're stuck in one gear going around in circles. It's difficult to slow down, speed up, recover, etc.
Surely the track is significantly easier than the road? Super smooth surface and next to no wind. No braking or little thinking.
It's easier to go faster. It's not 'easier'.
Imagine if you were to put your road bike in the 53-11 gear and leave it there. Try setting off from a traffic light in that gear. Yes, you can do it, but it's hard work. Then you work your way up to speed. And then have to hold that speed for an hour. You can't stop pedalling. You can't let up the pressure on the pedals. If you DO, the bike will slow down very quickly. No problem, right?
Sure - you can do that, but then if you want to get the bike back up to the correct speed again, you have to push even harder. Building lactic acid quickly in the legs.
On the road you can take a break from pedalling if you need to. Your cadence and power output don't have to stay constant. You can use the gears to make it easier and increase speed if you need to.
On the track, if your cadence slows too much, the 'gear gets on top of you' - it will become incredibly heavy and hard to push. It's why gear selection is so important.
I have no doubt that you could go MUCH faster on the track with a geared bike over an hour as opposed to a fixed gear.
Thanks for the points and I understand the original point being made now. The ability to sustain constant pain is what counts.
Although your last sentence I don't get the logic for...when Big Tone or Wilting Wiggo go for broke over an hour or so are you suggesting they would go quicker by pedalling speed X then speed Y then speed X then speed Y, rather than speed Z the whole time, where X > Z > Y?
Well, there are pacing studies that suggest that evenly-paced rides are slower than ones where the pacing varies.
On the track, it is very difficult to vary pacing due to the reasons I mentioned. But by using gears, you can vary the cadence and pace with less strain on the muscles, thus improving overall speed for the distance. Basically, if you get tired of pushing the big gear, you can drop into a smaller one, spin a higher cadence and recover a bit before going back to the big gear.0 -
DelgadosWings wrote:Pokerface wrote:I have no doubt that you could go MUCH faster on the track with a geared bike over an hour as opposed to a fixed gear.
Has it always been in the rules for the hour that it HAS to be on a fixed gear? Don't think I'd ever appreciated that fact before
Well.... yes.0 -
I had a totally unofficial go at the hour when i had a drop in to myself a few weeks ago - just standard track bike with drops, no aero bars or wheels, 51x15 gearing. Managed 41.6 km. A pretty modest distance but still enough to get a feel for the event. The problem wasnt my legs - it was the rest of my body particularly my lower back, neck and my hands. Im used to racing and training on the track and do the necessary gym work so was a bit surprised by just how much it took out of my upper body.
Disagree a bit with pokerface, there is an opportunity for recovery on a velodrome with the fixed wheel. Going into the corner you go from red to black you can float a pedal stroke then after you have drifted to the red coming out you can float another on the straight and not lose momentum. Outwith the start then im not sure a geared bike would offer any advantage compared to a fixed wheel (with the correct gearing) on a 250 m track. As a comparision i wouldnt be able to go evens on 25 TT on my road bike with drops.0 -
Edit: In reply to FF's 'X/Y/Z' query
^ That's exactly what Pokerface is saying, as it allows you to utilise varying ratios of aerobic/anaerobic fitness to maintain a power output rather than being stuck with one where a drop in one cannot be made up for by the other.
I have a fixed wheel cycleops indoor bike and it's easy to maintain a decent wattage switching between strength/cadence to keep it there but not so much when using a higher gear/lower cadence as legs just tire eventually and with low gear/high cadence your legs are ok but your core and upper body take a pounding instead which eventually causes saddle discomfort as you start to involuntarily move around on the saddle.Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.0 -
The obvious question then is why do they insist on fixed gears? It seems like having athletics world records but not allowing anyone to wear spikes. The bikes the man in the street ride have gears so it's not like it some sort of futuristic technology.Pokerface wrote:
Well.... yes.DelgadosWings wrote:Pokerface wrote:I have no doubt that you could go MUCH faster on the track with a geared bike over an hour as opposed to a fixed gear.
Has it always been in the rules for the hour that it HAS to be on a fixed gear? Don't think I'd ever appreciated that fact beforeTwitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
The obvious question then is why do they insist on fixed gears? It seems like having athletics world records but not allowing anyone to wear spikes. The bikes the man in the street ride have gears so it's not like it some sort of futuristic technology.Pokerface wrote:
Well.... yes.DelgadosWings wrote:Pokerface wrote:I have no doubt that you could go MUCH faster on the track with a geared bike over an hour as opposed to a fixed gear.
Has it always been in the rules for the hour that it HAS to be on a fixed gear? Don't think I'd ever appreciated that fact before
I guess because it's ridden on a track. On a track bike. And gears have never been allowed. It's just part of the package.
Maybe there are different hour records on the road for a variety of pedalled equipment. Not sure.0 -
Omar Little wrote:
Disagree a bit with pokerface, there is an opportunity for recovery on a velodrome with the fixed wheel. Going into the corner you go from red to black you can float a pedal stroke then after you have drifted to the red coming out you can float another on the straight and not lose momentum. Outwith the start then im not sure a geared bike would offer any advantage compared to a fixed wheel (with the correct gearing) on a 250 m track. As a comparision i wouldnt be able to go evens on 25 TT on my road bike with drops.
I know what you mean abut the corners. Cadence actually increases slightly as you go through the corner, but I don't consider that a recovery period. You still have to keep the power on.
41.6km isn't bad, especially on a 'road' frame. That's roughly the same distance I would have to do to beat the Paracgcling record for my category, although I will be aiming for 44km (in the pursuit position).0 -
I should add I'm basing my posts on how the velodrome feels when I ride it. Able-bodied riders, especially World-class ones, probably don't feel the effects in the same way. But I think most of the principles still apply.
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