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  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    YouTube infamy must count for at least one Superprestige, surely?
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Can it be agreed, then, that if Wiggins gets the hour record AND has a podium place in P-R (as well as going on to an Olympic gold performance in 2016)... Then he's definitely the most complete cycling champion of his generation?


    Unless he ever says "lads from Kilburn don't become their generation's most complete cycling champion...".
    Then he'd lose everything...

    We could probably say that about him, tbh. Though he's still just a bloody mod-revivalist.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    edited October 2014
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Can it be agreed, then, that if Wiggins gets the hour record AND has a podium place in P-R (as well as going on to an Olympic gold performance in 2016)... Then he's definitely the most complete cycling champion of his generation?


    Unless he ever says "lads from Kilburn don't become their generation's most complete cycling champion...".
    Then he'd lose everything...

    Pah!

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  • tailwindhome
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    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/10/matth ... ve-stream/

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  • keyser__soze
    keyser__soze Posts: 2,067
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Not achieved much in cross though, has he?

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  • alan_sherman
    alan_sherman Posts: 1,157
    Is the latest attempt today? What time? I checked the last two pages but couldn't see it.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    alan sherman wrote:
    Is the latest attempt today? What time? I checked the last two pages but couldn't see it.

    On Eurosport:

    Cycling
    Hour Record Attempt
    Thursday Oct 30, 17:45 - 19:15 British Eurosport
    Switzerland - Matthias Braendle
  • jscl
    jscl Posts: 1,015
    I haven't really bothered to read most of the pages but whilst I suspect he will set a new hour record, by choosing the UCI Track, he's certainly making it harder for himself.

    The UCI track is designed for training, not competition. It's also a 200m track vs 250m, which means he's making it harder for himself. Going around velodrome corners in the aero position pushes you in to the saddle, it's an interesting choice of tracks. I understand the sponsorship reasons though.
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  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,858
    19 seconds up after 13 minutes
  • rc856
    rc856 Posts: 1,144
    Didn't even realise this was happening until I stumbled across it just now!! :shock:
  • FJS
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  • Biffcp
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    What a difference between his condition after his ride and the wreckage that Boardman was.. Shows what it cost Boardman. I have even more respect for him now.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,652
    Good ride, and all that, but....

    Modestly talented rider on a modified tri bike*, on a 200m track....

    What on earth is Wiggins going to notch up?


    *can someone talk me through the rules here?
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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Good ride, and all that, but....

    Modestly talented rider on a modified tri bike*, on a 200m track....

    What on earth is Wiggins going to notch up?


    *can someone talk me through the rules here?
    Rule is simple I guess - any bike and any position you can ride today on road or track racing is permitted.
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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Good ride, and all that, but....

    Modestly talented rider on a modified tri bike*, on a 200m track....

    What on earth is Wiggins going to notch up?


    *can someone talk me through the rules here?


    It's not a Tri bike. It's a TT bike.

    The rules are, it has to be a UCI-approved frame - so basically anything currently being ridden on the track or in TT's/road racing. Still has to meet at the 3:1 regulations (that's why it's not a modified Tri bike).

    The sticking point seems to be HOW the bikes are being modified for track. You're not supposed to be able to cover up holes, etc with tape, but if you carbon over them then it seems to be OK.


    Also - I was right earlier when I said he would end up doing the effort on double discs.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Right now the Hour Record seems a bit like a music festival.

    - First on the bill is the old reliable favourite - not that great any more, but they get the crowd going
    - Then there's the obscure cult act that had that song a couple of months ago
    - Then you get a couple of bands that have had a decent album or two, they'll do a good set but they haven't really nailed their show yet.
    - Then you get second on the bill. They're really good performers, but not festival regulars so you don't quite how it's going to go.
    - And then finally the headline act - Brit Pop superstars who did loads of festivals before they got really big. Great when they're on form, but sometimes they just can't be bothered. Will they rise to the occasion and do a set that won't be topped for years?


    So in summary - if you're asking why the likes of Voigt and Brandle are having a go - it's because you don't put Led Zeppelin on at six o'clock.
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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    RichN95 wrote:
    So in summary - if you're asking why the likes of Voigt and Brandle are having a go - it's because you don't put Led Zeppelin on at six o'clock.
    What time are The Jam on?
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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    I'm worried that the Style Council will turn up instead.
  • inseine
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I realize that this is not a photo from the record ride, but i wanted a side view....
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  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Good ride, and all that, but....

    Modestly talented rider on a modified tri bike*, on a 200m track....

    What on earth is Wiggins going to notch up?
    At this year's ITT world championship, lasting about an hour, Wiggins was about 3 km/h faster than Brandle. Not the same as the track of course, but perhaps some indication.
    I assume any of the big guns attempting it (Wiggins, Cancellara, Martin, etc) would want to beat Rominger's 53.8 km
  • markwb79
    markwb79 Posts: 937
    Curious. Data vs Feel

    I see he is doing it on 'feel', but with the SRM under his saddle.

    If he had ridden exactly to his power and used the SRM, he would go faster/further (I assume).

    but how much?
    How close was he to his FTP?
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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Markwb79 wrote:
    Curious. Data vs Feel

    I see he is doing it on 'feel', but with the SRM under his saddle.

    If he had ridden exactly to his power and used the SRM, he would go faster/further (I assume).

    but how much?
    How close was he to his FTP?


    Only thing is... you can't use a SRM on the track. I by use I mean - the head unit. You can't actually VIEW the data whilst riding. So all track riders have to ride on 'feel'.

    What you get instead usually, is a coach giving you splits per laps so you know exactly how fast you are going. (Which will roughly equate to a power reading as lap times will be worked out in advance. It's different for every track and even different times on the track due to temperatures, pressure, etc).
  • inseine
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    Are power meters allowed? It's hard to keep up with the rules.
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  • RichN95.
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    inseine wrote:
    Are power meters allowed? It's hard to keep up with the rules.
    You're allowed to have a power meter fitted to record data - but you are not allowed to have it anywhere that the rider can view the data while riding.
    So on this picture of Brandle you can see the data collection unit is attached to the back of the saddle where he can't see it.

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    It's the same as with normal track events. Here's Jo Rowsell with a similar unit under the saddle.
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    Jo Rowsell should have a crack at the women's record. Put it on the same bill as Wiggins and Pokerface.
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    RichN95 wrote:
    Jo Rowsell should have a crack at the women's record. Put it on the same bill as Wiggins and Pokerface.

    Great shout. The hour record is making a bit of noise, and what better way for British Cycling to give women's cycling equal billing?
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  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    Not a bad idea, hardly any attention paid to the women's hour record unfortunately. With Women's cycling at an all time high it would be a good way to promote it further
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  • Omar Little
    Omar Little Posts: 2,010
    It is possible for the power meter data to be transmitted to the coach in the centre of the track, there is a poster on BR who has this set up (i think his coach might post on here too), i dont think it is against the rules to then have the coach say whether to go easier or harder based on that data.

    Although with it being such a controlled environment then split times are really effective for pacing purposes so there probably isnt much advantage to be gained having realtime power numbers.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Jo Rowsell should have a crack at the women's record. Put it on the same bill as Wiggins and Pokerface.

    Great shout. The hour record is making a bit of noise, and what better way for British Cycling to give women's cycling equal billing?

    Chuck in Dame Sarah whilst you're at it, I'd assume she'd be a dead cert in her classification?
  • Pross
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    FJS wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Good ride, and all that, but....

    Modestly talented rider on a modified tri bike*, on a 200m track....

    What on earth is Wiggins going to notch up?
    At this year's ITT world championship, lasting about an hour, Wiggins was about 3 km/h faster than Brandle. Not the same as the track of course, but perhaps some indication.

    If anything I suspect that Wiggins past and recent track experience would only increase his advantage.

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