2014 Santos Tour Down Under - *Spoilers*
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frenchfighter wrote:Steep at the bottom then flattens out so if he rides wheels well then rides Ulissi's wheel he had a good chance. Big shame for Cadel. Nice win by Porte but he attacked from 2k out not 10k like Quintana.
That useless rider Brown rolled in 18mins down with Eisel who is also always near the bottom.
Franck Schleck came in 5mins down...Greipel was ahead of him as well as Voigt who was charging around in the break before hand. Alaphillipe came in 3mins down.
Elissonde and Deignan same time as Schleck. Rory S doing a nice ride in 12th and Thomas in 10th. Very impressive with Impey...only 12 secs back after dragging Gerrans up.
Quintana beat 2nd place rider by same time as Porte beat 14th place.
Hope for tomorrow is that Gerrans misses out on a ton of bonus seconds and Evans scoops them up instead.
Quintana is obviously a classy climber, but you cant really compare the way that they won two quite different stages. Surely you can only race the course you are on and the riders you are up against.
The final climb of stage 4 of the TdSL that Quintana won was over 20km. For Porte to attack '10km out' from the finish of stage 5 of TDU he'd have to go on the flat section before Wilunga Hill, so unlikely (and unnecessary) for Porte
(Caveat: I haven't been following cycling that long, so may be wrong :P)0 -
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TailWindHome wrote:Sometimes little fishies it's best to ignore the bait and keep swimming
Your wife up the duff again TWH?0 -
Oh it's good to have the racing back and the unique and highly enjoyable panache-tinted insights of Frenchie.
I shall now keep on swimming...Correlation is not causation.0 -
Might that be because Willunga Hill is 3km long rather than the 10km that Alta El Amago is?frenchfighter wrote:Nice win by Porte but he attacked from 2k out not 10k like Quintana.
Quintana beat 2nd place rider by same time as Porte beat 14th place.http://www.georgesfoundation.org
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TailWindHome wrote:Sometimes little fishies it's best to ignore the bait and keep swimming
Oh the irony. You who sometimes single handedly trade posts with the doping posters, contributing to threads becoming useless and eventually being locked.
How about commenting on the race or the results or posting something interesting or informative?
I misread somewhere which said this climb was 10km long and was half asleep when I posted. So you can remove the comparison to Quintana, keep the part about a nice win, keep the part about Gerrans riding wheels all the way well and keep the rest.Contador is the Greatest0 -
OK to talk about racing for a second, I think the criticism of Eisel is a tad unfair, the guy rode on the front for a lot of the day and worked hard to bring the break back, that's his job, he can ease off once his job is done.
Having watched the last few k Gerrans did well to get back up to Evans and then for him and Ulissi to close the gap to Porte in the last few hundred, through a massive crowd. Porte deserves the stage win and Gerrans deserves to be in the whatever the hell colour that jersey is supposed to be, he's tenacious. For whatever reason I can't warm to him on a personal level, but I can't begrudge him his spot at the top of GC.Correlation is not causation.0 -
Re Eisel, he routinely rolls in close to the bottom in all his races. Yes he does good work when required...once that is done he steps off completely. There are hundreds of domestiques that do hard work like him and still ride in at a reasonable time. You could argue thats very good of him because he is not wasting any energy for the next day...or you could argue he is lazy.Contador is the Greatest0
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Maybe he stops working to post on a cycling forum when he should be doing his job ...0
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frenchfighter wrote:Re Eisel, he routinely rolls in close to the bottom in all his races. Yes he does good work when required...once that is done he steps off completely. There are hundreds of domestiques that do hard work like him and still ride in at a reasonable time. You could argue thats very good of him because he is not wasting any energy for the next day...or you could argue he is lazy.
Personally I reckon there's a certain amount of style (dare I say panache?) in being confident enough to ride on the front for most of the day before easing off to roll in ages behind the rest of the peloton. Finishing with the pack to protect your (rubbish) overall position is simply a sign of insecurity...0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Re Eisel, he routinely rolls in close to the bottom in all his races. Yes he does good work when required...once that is done he steps off completely. There are hundreds of domestiques that do hard work like him and still ride in at a reasonable time. You could argue thats very good of him because he is not wasting any energy for the next day...or you could argue he is lazy.
I think most would argue exactly that. For a domestique, recovering for the next stage - and therefore being able to help your leader - is far more important than achieving a decent position for yourself on the stage/GC.
I'd stop a long way short of calling any professional rider lazy...0 -
Are all the hundred other riders coming in with a reasonable time not doing their job properly? Stannard to pick one domestique was doing a ton of work to help Porte came in 13 mins ahead of Eisel.Contador is the Greatest0
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If Eisel was considered lazy by those he works for he'd soon be out of a job. I'm sure he does exactly as he is told quite effectively.0
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Contador is the Greatest0 -
First Sky win of the year and he has started. First it was Sky riders don't attack, then when they started attacking they aren't doing it right. It's going to be a long year.0
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I didn't realise that Eisel came in that far back his hair had gone gray ...0 -
sjmclean wrote:First Sky win of the year and he has started. First it was Sky riders don't attack, then when they started attacking they aren't doing it right. It's going to be a long year.
At least he doesnt even try to hide the bullcr*p any more...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:sjmclean wrote:First Sky win of the year and he has started. First it was Sky riders don't attack, then when they started attacking they aren't doing it right. It's going to be a long year.
At least he doesnt even try to hide the bullcr*p any more...
Very true. It must be so strange being him, do you think he pre-writes analogy's and just leaves the names blank.
If Eisel was at another team he would be complimenting him on his style etc but because he is a Sky rider he just can't.0 -
Lol some of you are so silly its laughable. Blocked list continues to prove its worth.
Anyway, as an antidote to the numerous useless contributions since the last stage finished, Porte sends his love:
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frenchfighter wrote:Lol some of you are so silly its laughable. Blocked list continues to prove its worth.
Anyway, as an antidote to the numerous useless contributions since the last stage finished, Porte sends his love:
Standard FF, have a dig about or at Sky, wait for someone to call me up on it, then make a comment about contribution to the forum and post a pretty picture.0 -
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Crankbrother wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Sometimes little fishies it's best to ignore the bait and keep swimming
Your wife up the duff again TWH?
Seriously?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
What a great stage, just watched it on Sky. Still all to play for and will be very interesting to see the cheeky points tomorrow.
Bring it on.0 -
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Just about to start on SanLuisTV0
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Just watched the whole show. A marathon!
Enjoyed the Willunga lap.
Evans thought he had to break Gerrans and hadn't factored in Porte.
Caught between the Sky man ( a rock) and the chasing pair, (a hard place) cost him the jersey.
At that point, he needed a crystal ball."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I don't like Evans, miserable sod he is. Pleased he isn't leading.0
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I know it's not a popular view on here but I have to take my hat off to Gerrans. The guy knows how to ride races to maximise his chances of winning, which is what it's all about in my view. He gets great support from his team as they know if they can get him in the mix he has a great kick at the finish. Always seems like a good bloke who appreciates every success he has.0
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smithy21 wrote:I know it's not a popular view on here but I have to take my hat off to Gerrans. The guy knows how to ride races to maximise his chances of winning, which is what it's all about in my view. He gets great support from his team as they know if they can get him in the mix he has a great kick at the finish. Always seems like a good bloke who appreciates every success he has.
Agree. I like him.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Just watched the whole show. A marathon!
Enjoyed the Willunga lap.
Evans thought he had to break Gerrans and hadn't factored in Porte.
Caught between the Sky man ( a rock) and the chasing pair, (a hard place) cost him the jersey.
At that point, he needed a crystal ball.
Where did you find that?Joelsim wrote:I don't like Evans, miserable sod he is. Pleased he isn't leading.
How can you hate a man who'd start a fight over a perceived slight to his dog's personal space?
Correlation is not causation.0
