TDF 2013 Stage 16 **Spoilers** Vaison-la-Romaine - Gap

Lichtblick

nic_77 wrote:

Lichtblick wrote:

Yeah. Why SHOULD Contador help Froome to get back FFSakes?

Contador had more to lose (to Mollema). Froome wasn't losing anything...

Froome gave a "come on" hand signal to Contador. Contador didn't respond.

That's what that was all about.

Paulie W

Froome trying to exert his authoritay?!

hammerite

frenchfighter wrote:

Not afraid to take risks. He loves to race.

Froome`s mental state must be quiverring and Dave busting his head.

The way he's racing I think I disagree. He's chasing everything down, not wanting to concede a second, even though he doesn't need to. The boy is a RACER, I think that's all.

Agree that Dave is probably doing his nut in thinking, "don't worry, just let them go".

thomthom

mroli wrote:

Kreuziger should have come back to work. Lack of Saxo class there.

This post makes no sense.

oneof1982

frenchfighter wrote:

Froome`s mental state must be quiverring and Dave busting his head.

All this wearing the yellow jersey and winning the race must really be causing him concern. Not.

Lichtblick

Overall GC please

mroli

ThomThom wrote:

mroli wrote:

Kreuziger should have come back to work. Lack of Saxo class there.

That makes no sense.

Contador had most to lose out of him and Froome dropping back. Porte dropped back to do domestique duty to drag them back on. Kreuziger could have done the same and shared the work with Ritchie. Contador just sat on Sky despite the fact that he caused the incident.

goonz

Great win that by Costa...

Dirty Bertie, what was the thumbs up to Quintana for?

andyjr

1. GB RFROOME Christopher 1 SKY PROCYCLING 65h 15' 36''
2. NED MOLLEMA Bauke 164 BELKIN PRO CYCLING 65h 19' 50'' + 04' 14''
3. ESP CONTADOR Alberto 91 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF 65h 20' 01'' + 04' 25''
4. CZE KREUZIGER Roman 94 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF 65h 20' 04'' + 04' 28''
5. COL QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 128 MOVISTAR TEAM 65h 21' 23'' + 05' 47''
6. NED TEN DAM Laurens 167 BELKIN PRO CYCLING 65h 21' 30'' + 05' 54''
7. ESP RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 101 KATUSHA TEAM 65h 22' 47'' + 07' 11''
8. DEN FUGLSANG Jakob 63 ASTANA PRO TEAM 65h 22' 58'' + 07' 22''
9. FRA PÉRAUD Jean-Christophe 81 AG2R LA MONDIALE 65h 24' 23'' + 08' 47''
10. IRL MARTIN Daniel 175 GARMIN - SHARP 65h 25' 04'' + 09' 28'

hammerite

The important question now is.... where had Navarro moved to on GC?

thomthom

mroli wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

mroli wrote:

Kreuziger should have come back to work. Lack of Saxo class there.

That makes no sense.

Contador had most to lose out of him and Froome dropping back. Porte dropped back to do domestique duty to drag them back on. Kreuziger could have done the same and shared the work with Ritchie. Contador just sat on Sky despite the fact that he caused the incident.

Do I have to remind you where Kreuziger is in the GC?

oneof1982

mroli wrote:

.....Contador just sat on Sky despite the fact that he caused the incident.

To be fair I don't think it is clear who caused the incident.

hammerite

andyjr wrote:

1. GB RFROOME Christopher 1 SKY PROCYCLING 65h 15' 36''
2. NED MOLLEMA Bauke 164 BELKIN PRO CYCLING 65h 19' 50'' + 04' 14''
3. ESP CONTADOR Alberto 91 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF 65h 20' 01'' + 04' 25''
4. CZE KREUZIGER Roman 94 TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF 65h 20' 04'' + 04' 28''
5. COL QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 128 MOVISTAR TEAM 65h 21' 23'' + 05' 47''
6. NED TEN DAM Laurens 167 BELKIN PRO CYCLING 65h 21' 30'' + 05' 54''
7. ESP RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 101 KATUSHA TEAM 65h 22' 47'' + 07' 11''
8. DEN FUGLSANG Jakob 63 ASTANA PRO TEAM 65h 22' 58'' + 07' 22''
9. FRA PÉRAUD Jean-Christophe 81 AG2R LA MONDIALE 65h 24' 23'' + 08' 47''
10. IRL MARTIN Daniel 175 GARMIN - SHARP 65h 25' 04'' + 09' 28'

Kreuziger sitting in there to take 3rd off Bertie's hands. Might do it after the TT anyway. Probably not worth risking both Saxo Bank riders losing more time to Mollema by Kreuziger drifting back to help.

mroli

Fair enough - but he has sacrificed his position before. He could be sat clear in second himself had he not waited for Contador on previous stages.

ddraver

I had to remind myself..

Likliehood is that it was nt a major effort and actually it's simpler for Sky just to get Froome back on and forget about the others. Sometimes you can overplay the games...

Macaloon

I suspect the thumbs up was for Movi guys not pulling for Mollema. If in fact they didn't.

goonz

Paulie W wrote:

Froome trying to exert his authoritay?!

Definitely how better than to chase back any attack from a massive group and have your main rival following you? The guy is super strong and not mentally weak either.

He deserves the yellow on merit alone.

frenchfighter

Pretty sure Contador crashed softly as he was leading the attack on the descent. Froome was 2nd wheel so nearly came off.

Objective is to get Kreuziger and Contador onto the podium. That would be huge for them.

Kwia the big loser along with Ten Dam.

Macaloon

Even the most prosaic stage of this tour had a little sting in the tail. Bravo.

above_the_cows

The many meanings of Thumbs Up

Thumbs up does not have a universal meaning.

In Iran, the thumbs up is traditionally an obscene gesture, equivalent to the use of the middle finger in the Western world.

In the USA, American Sign Language users use this hand shape to indicate the number ten when wiggled modestly left and right. When held stationary and thrust toward another person the meaning is 'yourself'. When lifted up by the other palm, the meaning is 'help'.

In Japanese sign language, the thumbs-up indicates a man, or male gender as opposed to an extended pinky indicating female.

In India, although the gesture is well accepted, similar gestures have negative connotations, while doing a thumbs up, if the hand is wagged from side to side in a reverse-pendulum like movement, it means "won't work" or "disagree".

In Brazil, it can be used in lieu of saying "thanks".

hammerite

frenchfighter wrote:

Pretty sure Contador crashed softly as he was leading the attack on the descent. Froome was 2nd wheel so nearly came off.

Objective is to get Kreuziger and Contador onto the podium. That would be huge for them.

Kwia the big loser along with Ten Dam.

Shame about Kwia and Ten Dam. I like both of them.

ad_snow

Interesting theory on a sarcastic thumbs up..

above_the_cows

Poor Kwiatkowski Still this is a mighty fine debut Tour for him considering he isn't even on a GC team.

thomthom

Alberto's sarcastic thumbs up to Movitar for pacing after his own crash was quite pathethic. Caused it himself and it was in the finale. You don't wait for that - especially when it's caused by being too risky.

Movistar do have a history of spicing things up a bit when opponents have crashed, though - which is also why no one cared about Valverde' puncture a good week ago.

jimmythecuckoo

I wondered if it meant he was content that Froome descending was bad enough for Quintana to win the Tour...


...but I have been wrong in the past.

Crankbrother

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frenchfighter

Am I going nuts or was that really BELOKI corner?

No_Ta_Doctor

hammerite wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Not afraid to take risks. He loves to race.

Froome`s mental state must be quiverring and Dave busting his head.

The way he's racing I think I disagree. He's chasing everything down, not wanting to concede a second, even though he doesn't need to. The boy is a RACER, I think that's all.

Agree that Dave is probably doing his nut in thinking, "don't worry, just let them go".

True heavyweight.

above_the_cows

OnYourRight wrote:

Thumbs up can also be sarcastic.

Especially if the hand is shaken, it makes it look aggressive. I wonder if that was a sarcastic thumbs up from Contador?

josame

Above The Cows wrote:

The many meanings of Thumbs Up

Thumbs up does not have a universal meaning.

In Iran, the thumbs up is traditionally an obscene gesture, equivalent to the use of the middle finger in the Western world.

In the USA, American Sign Language users use this hand shape to indicate the number ten when wiggled modestly left and right. When held stationary and thrust toward another person the meaning is 'yourself'. When lifted up by the other palm, the meaning is 'help'.

In Japanese sign language, the thumbs-up indicates a man, or male gender as opposed to an extended pinky indicating female.

In India, although the gesture is well accepted, similar gestures have negative connotations, while doing a thumbs up, if the hand is wagged from side to side in a reverse-pendulum like movement, it means "won't work" or "disagree".

In Brazil, it can be used in lieu of saying "thanks".

Thanks, do I get my minute back :roll: