TDF 2013 Stage 11 TT ***Spoilers***

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  • prawny
    prawny Posts: 5,440
    Doobz wrote:
    prawny wrote:
    Just saw a thing on twitter about his TT saddle with skateboard grip tape on/in. I hoppe the two aren't related :shock:

    Yea could be,

    Here is an image where you can see.. On his right leg!

    BO0KOmQCIAA-od_.jpg


    tdf13-martin-shiv-MG-3819.jpg

    Definitley not an upgrade I'm going to be buying :?

    In other news, what time will Froome be likely to be finishing? Before 5? They could at least have set the last few off between 5-6 so I could watch on the train :roll:
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    edited July 2013
    Macaloon wrote:

    What's the 'science' behind the conventional wisdom that top climbers should be unable to compete with TT specialists?

    Obviously going uphill steep enough for long enough, W/Kg is the dominant factor. On a flat TT, raw power and aerodynamics dominate. What stops the raw power of the climber being close to that of the TT specialists? (With time gaps down to technique). Martin weighs, according to team sites, 6Kg more than Froome. Is it as simple as the extra 6Kg of presumably mainly muscle provide enough power benefit to triumph on the flat, but not enough to overcome the weight tax going uphill?

    You could also include the fact that all bikes weigh the same, so a bike is proportionally less weight for larger riders.

    I think some power comes from upper body strength which is clearly not as useful going uphill.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Well the flip has happened to TJ..?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Paulie W wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    TJ going decently...

    Dropped back quite a bit at second check - not the first rider to do this in the last half hour or so (see also Gilbert). I wonder if the wind is having the opposite effect to what was suggested earlier?

    Tis interesting that. Slight incline between timecheck 1 & 2, could be a factor?

    Weather reports suggest a north easterly, which as suggested should be favourable to the latter part of the course...
  • esspeebee
    esspeebee Posts: 174
    prawny wrote:
    In other news, what time will Froome be likely to be finishing? Before 5? They could at least have set the last few off between 5-6 so I could watch on the train :roll:
    Due out at 3:54. Add slightly less than 40 minutes to that, and he should be finishing shortly after 4:30.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Velits knocks Millar out of the top 10
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    :shock: Just before we cut to the break, Porte clocked 62kph on the 'speed check' thing at the side of the road! :shock:
    Correlation is not causation.
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Here's a similar question - why are some rouleurs great time triallists and others not? Why is Cancellara one of the greatest we have seen, but Boonen rarely achieves anything against the clock (the occasional prologue aside)? He's big, powerful, has been known to attack from range (P-R 2012) - is it a matter of aerodynamics / willingness to focus on the discipline?
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  • Burnsey#23
    Burnsey#23 Posts: 29
    Cav's Team manager just been on saying a spectator has thrown a cup of urine at Cav in the closing KM's of the TT.
    Disgraceful really
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Burnsey#23 wrote:
    Cav's Team manager just been on saying a spectator has thrown a cup of urine at Cav in the closing KM's of the TT.
    Disgraceful really

    And no Sven Nys-esque dismount to calmly remonstrate with the culprit?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Has anyone else lost Eurosport?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    Above The Cows wrote:
    :shock: Just before we cut to the break, Porte clocked 62kph on the 'speed check' thing at the side of the road! :shock:

    Only 7th at first check though.
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    Thank God Rolland's changed his shorts.
  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Titchy Richie's necklace doesn't look very aero.

    Perhaps him being so small negates any marginal gains from the necklace.
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  • alan_a
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    Above The Cows wrote:
    Has anyone else lost Eurosport?

    yes. My Eurosport player has died.
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Chavanel 7 secs behind Tony Martin at checkpoint 1.
  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    Alan A wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Has anyone else lost Eurosport?

    yes. My Eurosport player has died.

    just had to switch to itv live player
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Thank goodness for NOS.

    Chavanel matching Porte both 7 seconds off Martin.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Porte 4th at second check.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Thank goodness for NOS.

    Chavanel matching Porte both 7 seconds off Martin.
    Porte was 7th at 25 seconds.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Thank goodness for NOS.

    Chavanel matching Porte both 7 seconds off Martin.
    Porte was 7th at 25 seconds.

    Ah thanks, misheard 7 and 7th on the Dutch commentary.

    Anyway he's up to 4th now. Negative split?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    what's that on Chavenal's right shin?
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    prawny wrote:
    Doobz wrote:
    prawny wrote:
    Just saw a thing on twitter about his TT saddle with skateboard grip tape on/in. I hoppe the two aren't related :shock:

    Yea could be,

    Here is an image where you can see.. On his right leg!

    BO0KOmQCIAA-od_.jpg


    tdf13-martin-shiv-MG-3819.jpg

    Definitley not an upgrade I'm going to be buying :?

    In other news, what time will Froome be likely to be finishing? Before 5? They could at least have set the last few off between 5-6 so I could watch on the train :roll:

    The way Contador moves up and down the saddle on his TT bike it'd be like sitting on a belt sander
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Man if you think Cycling commentators are bad try listening to a few hours of TMS! :roll:
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Lichtblick wrote:
    what's that on Chavenal's right shin?

    A tattoo. Frenchie loves it!
    Correlation is not causation.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    ddraver wrote:
    Man if you think Cycling commentators are bad try listening to a few hours of TMS! :roll:

    Are they talking about pigeons and cake? I love it when they talk about the cake that people make for them.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Lichtblick wrote:
    what's that on Chavenal's right shin?

    A tattoo. Frenchie loves it!

    In fact, I heard Frenchie is in the process of getting his own version done?!
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    ddraver wrote:
    Man if you think Cycling commentators are bad try listening to a few hours of TMS! :roll:

    How dare you!
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    How on earth is sitting on sandpaper a good idea?
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    ALIHISGREAT wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Lichtblick wrote:
    what's that on Chavenal's right shin?

    A tattoo. Frenchie loves it!

    In fact, I heard Frenchie is in the process of getting his own version done?!

    He's at the tattoo parlor right now. That's why he's gone quiet.
    Correlation is not causation.

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