TDF 2013 - Stage 10 *Spoiler*

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  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    Paulie W wrote:
    Anyway, one thing's clear Cav's finished...

    In the race? His career?
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  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    How long to wait to see if Cav gets admonished or anything?
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Looks as if Veelers drifted when looking behind him and Cav did the sensible thing by taking Veeler's drift on his head as opposed to his body but of course this totally knocked the speed out of his sprint. Racing incident. Nothing really to see here, no one really to blame.
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  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    lostboysaint wrote:
    Paulie W wrote:
    Anyway, one thing's clear Cav's finished...

    In the race? His career?

    It was said tongue in cheek
  • kleinstroker
    kleinstroker Posts: 2,133
    Hasn't Cav been in trouble for dangerous riding before?
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Lichtblick wrote:
    How long to wait to see if Cav gets admonished or anything?

    There is not a prayer that they'll throw off one of their star attractions.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    edited July 2013
    Cav starts to lean into Veelers before he is even past his BB. Blatantly trying to take him out.
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  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    Veelers also has previous - ask Tyler Farrar!
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    Cav def leaning into the Argos-Shimano rider, not just trying to cut in front.

    Penalty.
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  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Looks as if Veelers drifted when looking behind him and Cav did the sensible thing by taking Veeler's drift on his head as opposed to his body but of course this totally knocked the speed out of his sprint. Racing incident. Nothing really to see here, no one really to blame.

    Mmm. I think that might be a slightly generous reading of the incident!
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Lichtblick wrote:
    How long to wait to see if Cav gets admonished or anything?

    There is not a prayer that they'll throw off one of their star attractions.

    Plus nothing really happened. It was just a typical sprinting incident if people bother to look at the replays. These things happen in sprinting. It wasn't a Ferrari type move from either of them.
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  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    Veelers goes left then right forcing Cav wide to get round him. Not entirely sure whether Cav's contact is a lean or a barge. Also Veelers appears to be looking down/back - missed a gear perhaps? Interviews will tell us more!
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Not seen it, but I can't imagine any rider doing that deliberately.
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  • Walter White
    Walter White Posts: 238
    adr82 wrote:
    Lichtblick wrote:
    Walter White wrote:
    Looked like the rider (Degenkolb?) stopped and pretty much blocked Cav there.

    Cav should have stuck with Steegmans there.

    Stopped?

    Uh?
    When you're doing 20mph and everyone around you is doing 40-50mph, you might as well be stopped...

    Yeah, stopped isn't really the right word, anyone with a half working brain would of known what i mean't.

    Thats not all Cavs fault there at all, matey looked around saw Cav and cut him up.
  • Walter White
    Walter White Posts: 238
    hammerite wrote:
    Why didn't Cav follow Steegmans all the way instead of partly going up the outside then tucking back in?

    Kittel's jump was pretty impressive.

    Exactly, Steegmans done what looked like a perfect leadout.
  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    From BBC:

    Right, I've seen that finish again. Tom Veelers took a look right and then left before veering into the path of Mark Cavendish, who had tried to go round him to chase Marcel Kittel and Andre Greipel. Cav's elbows were flying but he did not ride into Veelers as it appeared at first glance. I don't think he can be blamed for that crash.

    Kittel and Greipel were long gone by the time that happpened, anyway. The Omega Pharma-QuickStep train did not do a very good job.
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  • Rigga
    Rigga Posts: 939
    Dan Lloyd on eurosport blatantly sticking up for cav saying it wasn't intentional. Yeah right!
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Paulie W wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Looks as if Veelers drifted when looking behind him and Cav did the sensible thing by taking Veeler's drift on his head as opposed to his body but of course this totally knocked the speed out of his sprint. Racing incident. Nothing really to see here, no one really to blame.

    Mmm. I think that might be a slightly generous reading of the incident!

    No I don't think so, if you look at the replay from the front from further out, Veelers drifts right while looking behind him which is a natural thing to happen as Cav starts to move left. There is then the prospect of an inevitable coming together, so Cav decides to off-set the impact with his head which is an entirely sensible thing to do rather than taking the impact somewhere pointy or on the bike. I don't think Cav was intentionally trying to take out Veelers.
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Great win for Kittel and Argos-Shimano, especially since there is a Dutch film crew following Team Argos-Shimano throughout the Tour.

    The intention is to produce a 90 min documentary film, which might be shown in cinemas in the Netherlands in 2014, certainly on TV there, and later then sold to TV channels in other lands. Kittel got to see the cuts of the first few Tour stages yesterday and declared what he saw as ‘a real cool thing’.

    And today they get a super win on film and an ‘incident’ too - looked to me that Cavendish wasn’t impeded and could have gone by without knocking Veelers down. I’d put Cav last in today’s stage and impose a hefty fine too.

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  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    The zoomed in front-on footage from ES doesn't look great for Cav...
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    I don't think taking him out was malicious but I think a bit of argy bargy was intentional. Unfortunately Cav argy barged Veelers' handlebars and he had no chance...
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  • Ed-tron
    Ed-tron Posts: 165
    My interpretation of this is that Cav thought the Argos rider was still 'active' and so fought him for the better line into the left hander, before turning on the jets (as he does in every sprint). But in reality the Argos guy was easing off so was not expecting the shoulder contact. And I don't think the two mix very well!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Greipel went left, Cav was focused on him and went too, hit someone moving slightly right. Sh1t happens.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    RichN95 wrote:
    Greipel went left, Cav was focused on him and went too, hit someone moving slightly right. Sh1t happens.
    ^This.
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Veelergate: superficially, that's a big lean if you're just bracing for impact.

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  • ddraver
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    In other news the LBS was selling off the recent Rabbo Jerseys super cheap and I snaffled one - nice bit of history ;)
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  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    Not like he caused a mass pile up though, perhaps it will just be seen as a racing incident?
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    I guess if it was Greipel you would all be calling him out. All Cav had to do was wait one more m before pulling left.

    Watch how Sagan moves out the way then back into the line.

    Totally avoidable crash. Definitely should be penalized.
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  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Paulie W wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Looks as if Veelers drifted when looking behind him and Cav did the sensible thing by taking Veeler's drift on his head as opposed to his body but of course this totally knocked the speed out of his sprint. Racing incident. Nothing really to see here, no one really to blame.

    Mmm. I think that might be a slightly generous reading of the incident!

    No I don't think so, if you look at the replay from the front from further out, Veelers drifts right while looking behind him which is a natural thing to happen as Cav starts to move left. There is then the prospect of an inevitable coming together, so Cav decides to off-set the impact with his head which is an entirely sensible thing to do rather than taking the impact somewhere pointy or on the bike. I don't think Cav was intentionally trying to take out Veelers.

    Of course he didn't.

    That doesn't mean it wasn't completely reckless, though. A last position on the stage would be the correct punishment.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    LOL

    Cavendish grabs the journalists recorder and goes back on the bus after he asked whether it was his fault. Sure sign of guilt. Petulant.
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