the end for Wiggo ?
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Daz555 wrote:Here we are, still ahead of the TdF noobs coming onto the forum and we have people suggesting Wiggo is finished?
WTF is going on?
To be fair, the Wiggins finished thing came from that cat at the Times article, rather than forum peopleFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
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rickyrider wrote:Been following this thread and although I'd describe myself as an optimistic type who likes to see the good in people, I can't help but see where The Mad Rapper is coming from. Given everything that the sport has been through in recent years, it seems a big stretch to have complete confidence that all 'our boys' are clean because they say they are, they've never been caught, and Sky makes a big song and dance about being clean. FWIW I think they probably are, but I wouldn't go any further than probably. Where big business and big money is involved, there will ALWAYS be people looking to gain unfair advantage - always have been and always will be. Simple as.
And here's the thing I find really curious: people are getting all hot and bothered about perceived aspersions being cast on Wiggo etc, but why? Why let yourself get so passionate about this? If he's your brother or your close family, then fine, understood. But if not, I don't get it. Things to get really passionate about are your family and friends - the genuinely important things in life. Pro sport is thrilling and exciting, of course it is, but in the grand scheme of things it's not remotely important. IMHO
Amen.
Couldn't have put it better.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:
Hang on a minute...
It depends what you mean finished.
If the Tour De France course for next year is pan flat, with very long TT miles, sure he has a chance, if it's not he'll never win another Grand Tour.
You can quote me on that.
That doesn't mean he won't win significant races.
Fact is that he'll be 34 at the start of next season, with 13 years of pro riding in his legs. You can marginal gain all you like, but too many birthdays is too many birthdays.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
TheBigBean wrote:mike6 wrote:
If I held the view that all pro cyclists are suspect I would not watch Pro cycling.
I think there are two schools of thought for the cycling fan:
1. The dirty past is long gone and the dawn of clean cycling has arrived. Sit back and enjoy the racing.
2. The dirty past and the number of false dawns indicate that all cyclists should be treated with suspicion. No idea who is guilty and who is not, so sit back and enjoy the racing.
Quite agree
Also i quite enjoyed those outrageous dope fuelled super rides.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:
Hang on a minute...
It depends what you mean finished.
If the Tour De France course for next year is pan flat, with very long TT miles, sure he has a chance, if it's not he'll never win another Grand Tour.
You can quote me on that.
That doesn't mean he won't win significant races.
Fact is that he'll be 34 at the start of next season, with 13 years of pro riding in his legs. You can marginal gain all you like, but too many birthdays is too many birthdays.
god thats depressing
but true. until we can crack the gene doping 
70 year old tour winner anyone? 0 -
Sarcasm is not a helpful learning tool for new members. Which the introduction of Sky in cycling is meant to create (bring new members to the sport). Something Sky fan boys and girls like to shout about as being a benefit of Sky in cycling.Contador is the Greatest0
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ite.magliaceleste wrote:rickyrider wrote:Been following this thread and although I'd describe myself as an optimistic type who likes to see the good in people, I can't help but see where The Mad Rapper is coming from. Given everything that the sport has been through in recent years, it seems a big stretch to have complete confidence that all 'our boys' are clean because they say they are, they've never been caught, and Sky makes a big song and dance about being clean. FWIW I think they probably are, but I wouldn't go any further than probably. Where big business and big money is involved, there will ALWAYS be people looking to gain unfair advantage - always have been and always will be. Simple as.
And here's the thing I find really curious: people are getting all hot and bothered about perceived aspersions being cast on Wiggo etc, but why? Why let yourself get so passionate about this? If he's your brother or your close family, then fine, understood. But if not, I don't get it. Things to get really passionate about are your family and friends - the genuinely important things in life. Pro sport is thrilling and exciting, of course it is, but in the grand scheme of things it's not remotely important. IMHO
Amen.
Couldn't have put it better.
I was not defending Wiggins, I was defending all pro cyclists from uninformed jibes like "I hope his career is finished". Using the above logic, how can someone say that about a guy they do not know and who has never been under suspicion of any wrongdoing?
Its the guilty untill proven innocent rubbish that smokes me.
Now, someone like Contador or Valverde etc, who are proven and unrepentant drug cheats I can understand people being sceptical, I am.
Not qu0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Sky in cycling is meant to bring new members to the sport.
Primark brings people to the high street but you'd still not want to shop there or mix with the majority of people who do ... The more people you bring to the party, the more chance you have of bringing ar$eholes ...
But SKY (and now Rapha) fancy using the Man Utd model of blanket success/branding and the money it will bring ... That's not Cycling ... I like that teams change, jerseys change, riders change teams and the dynamics of the racing changes most years ... Is it stable, no, but it has character and a degree of romance (eg. Voeckler is a bit of a clown, but he embodies all that is good about cycling every July) ...0 -
Crankbrother wrote:
Primark brings people to the high street but you'd still not want to shop there or mix with the majority of people who do ... ..
What's wrong with Primark and the people who shop there?0 -
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I'm definitely finished and I never even started0
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Correlation is not causation.0
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oneof1982 wrote:Crankbrother wrote:
Primark brings people to the high street but you'd still not want to shop there or mix with the majority of people who do ... ..
What's wrong with Primark and the people who shop there?
I'm only going to issue you the challenge of the next job interview you go to, wear an outfit solely from Primark and see how confident you feel when you look in the mirror ... Unless, of course the job opening is at Primark, in which case ... Congrtulations!0 -
Crankbrother wrote:oneof1982 wrote:Crankbrother wrote:
Primark brings people to the high street but you'd still not want to shop there or mix with the majority of people who do ... ..
What's wrong with Primark and the people who shop there?
I'm only going to issue you the challenge of the next job interview you go to, wear an outfit solely from Primark and see how confident you feel when you look in the mirror ... Unless, of course the job opening is at Primark, in which case ... Congrtulations!
EDIT: Apologies, this went way off topic ... and the irony is Wiggins gets his clobber from Paul Smith (oh wait, he didn't ... a SKY reject earned that honour last month) ...0 -
I don't understand this. How can G have crashed in 3 races this year? The Tour starts next weekend, you can't crash before it starts. ;-)Richmond Racer wrote:0 -
Can I get in nice and early with Sagan's finished, please?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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No one likes a snottery smart arse.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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odd comment.Crankbrother wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Sky in cycling is meant to bring new members to the sport.
Primark brings people to the high street but you'd still not want to shop there or mix with the majority of people who do ...http://www.snookcycling.wordpress.com - Reports on Cingles du Mont Ventoux, Alpe D'Huez, Galibier, Izoard, Tourmalet, Paris-Roubaix Sportive & Tour of Flanders Sportive, Amstel Gold Xperience, Vosges, C2C, WOTR routes....0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Put Wiggins, Froome and Sky in the title and you have a 5 page plus thread guaranteed.
If only people had opinions about more things the forum would be a better place.
#skytogetpounded
Fair point although a lot of the input isn't from the fanboys. Getting bored now!0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Can I get in nice and early with Sagan's finished, please?
Think Rick had that done and dusted with his "too young for long races"thing...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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frenchfighter wrote:Put Wiggins, Froome and Sky in the title and you have a 5 page plus thread guaranteed.
If only people had opinions about more things the forum would be a better place.
#skytogetpounded
If only people stuck to opinions on the topic being discussed, the forum would be a better place.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I claim my my £5. Crankbrother is UCI_Overlord or is that underpants. but hang on, Mad Rapper and Frenchie could also be him :roll:
:shock:
I withdraw my claim, unless the three are one and the same?
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Tricky thing here is that nobody knows what's really chafing Wiggo's crack. It would appear that he can't abide to ride in the same peloton as the guy who (arguably) sacrificed his own chances while Wiggo was becoming Legend last year. The reason for this appears (cos who knows) to be some sense that Froome went out of his way to humiliate Wiggo. In the process he devalued the greatest achievement by a Brit ever.
If this is anywhere near correct it's a catastrophic piece of ego management by the team, a bit pathetic by Wiggins, and evidence of titanium cojones by Froome.
What a waste. Even a slightly undercooked Wiggins could have been used to torture other teams to much amusing effect this year. Maybe he could have won a stage or two. And the idea that he can't physically perform stirring deeds in the saddle, albeit not at pointy end of GC, is a little premature....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Maca, I've just posted on another thread. He was told that he wouldnt even get protected status in the team for the Tour. He knew Froome was going to get leadership but he wanted to at least be able to be up front with him like Froome was with him last year. But then he was told that Porte's getting that gig, and that he wouldnt be a protected rider.
Thats what's happened. Call it him throwing a hissy fit if you want, but as I said he's the current maillot jaune holder, and imagine if that was Valverde or Evans or Bert? Think they'd be jumping for joy themselves?0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Maca, I've just posted on another thread. He was told that he wouldnt even get protected status in the team for the Tour. He knew Froome was going to get leadership but he wanted to at least be able to be up front with him like Froome was with him last year. But then he was told that Porte's getting that gig, and that he wouldnt be a protected rider.
Thats what's happened. Call it him throwing a hissy fit if you want, but as I said he's the current maillot jaune holder, and imagine if that was Valverde or Evans or Bert? Think they'd be jumping for joy themselves?
If Porte was producing better numbers, and had a few rides and results to show, when this decision was made, what's the problem? (Other than the very obvious and understandable desire to protect the reputation of Sir Bradley) When was the decision made, btw?...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Macaloon wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Maca, I've just posted on another thread. He was told that he wouldnt even get protected status in the team for the Tour. He knew Froome was going to get leadership but he wanted to at least be able to be up front with him like Froome was with him last year. But then he was told that Porte's getting that gig, and that he wouldnt be a protected rider.
Thats what's happened. Call it him throwing a hissy fit if you want, but as I said he's the current maillot jaune holder, and imagine if that was Valverde or Evans or Bert? Think they'd be jumping for joy themselves?
If Porte was producing better numbers, and had a few rides and results to show, when this decision was made, what's the problem? (Other than the very obvious and understandable desire to protect the reputation of Sir Bradley) When was the decision made, btw?
Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Think you could think in those terms if it happened to you? So easy when its someone else, all seems so black and white. Empathy, man!
He was told in the days leading up to Sir Richard of Moore's article in the Dail Fail, which broke the story that he'd been told he'd dropped even further down the pecking order.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Macaloon wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Maca, I've just posted on another thread. He was told that he wouldnt even get protected status in the team for the Tour. He knew Froome was going to get leadership but he wanted to at least be able to be up front with him like Froome was with him last year. But then he was told that Porte's getting that gig, and that he wouldnt be a protected rider.
Thats what's happened. Call it him throwing a hissy fit if you want, but as I said he's the current maillot jaune holder, and imagine if that was Valverde or Evans or Bert? Think they'd be jumping for joy themselves?
If Porte was producing better numbers, and had a few rides and results to show, when this decision was made, what's the problem? (Other than the very obvious and understandable desire to protect the reputation of Sir Bradley) When was the decision made, btw?
Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Think you could think in those terms if it happened to you? So easy when its someone else, all seems so black and white. Empathy, man!
He was told in the days leading up to Sir Richard of Moore's article in the Dail Fail, which broke the story that he'd been told he'd dropped even further down the pecking order.
BC and now Sky under Brailsford has always been about the numbers & form and not sentiment. Wiggo has been a beneficiary of that system for a long time now and surely would understand that if the numbers and the evidence support Froome and Porte being the main men, then that is who they're going to go with.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
