Giro stage 13 SPOILER

Pross

Crozza wrote:

I would have thought that you could tell from his avatar where ThomThom's loyalties lie

One of those parochial, nationalistic flag wavers - lucky we don't go in for that sort of thing over here.

goonz

Above The Cows wrote:

Indeed. He really is special. To be that consistently good. And he does have lovely eyelashes.

And his missus isn't too bad either!

Mad_Malx

PeteMadoc wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

OPQS getting their train sorted out better now, bodes well to take his tour tally up a few more too.

No train from OPQS today. Somehow Cav managed to drop all his team mates on the climbs :shock:

Wasn't someone saying Cav is cr4p without a leadout the other day :roll:

Wasn't particularly referring to today's race, although as Le C says they were in the mix - compared with the disorganisation in some of their first outings (and Cav still managed to take most of these).

danlikesbikes

Cav crossing the line for the win.

goonz

Le Commentateur wrote:

A couple of Cav's team closed the gap to the skateboader in Katusha kit

Cant wait to see this in the highlights later...

Squaggles

Cav is a bit greedy , why doesn't he give some of the others a chance in the sprints :roll:

blazing_saddles

oldwelshman wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Viviani's conditioning is starting to suffer.
Went backwards at a rate of knots.
Nizzolo the strongest, but Cav the fastest.

How do you make this out? How is Nizzolo the strongest when he came 2nd?

Why do you see everything as a slight against someone or other?
Nizzolo started his sprint first, got overtaken by Mezgec, didn't fade, came back, closed, lost by half a wheel.
He came 2nd because Cav was clearly the fastest; strength and speed not being mutually inclusive.

TimB34

afx237vi wrote:

Points jersey standings, anyone? A couple of breakaway days in the mountains would be helpful.

Edit: not from Cav obviously, but for others to scoop up the points Evans may take.

Adding up from yesterday, I think the points standing is going to look like this (only Cav and Viviani from the top 10 yesterday got points today) :

1 Mark Cavendish (GBr) Omega Pharma-Quick Step 108 pts
2 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 73
3 Elia Viviani (Ita) Cannondale Pro Cycling 72
4 Maxim Belkov (Rus) Katusha 55
5 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling 53
6 Mauro Santambrogio (Ita) Vini Fantini-Selle Italia 52
7 Enrico Battaglin (Ita) Bardiani Valvole-CSF Inox 45
8 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team 45
9 Carlos Alberto Betancur Gomez (Col) Ag2R La Mondiale 43

There are 8 stages left:
1 Mountain ITT
2 Flat stages
5 Mountain stages

From inrngs guide
For the intermediate sprints, the traguardi volanti, there are 8, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 points for the first six
The first 15 on the finish line get 25, 20, 16, 14, 12, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 points

So Cadel could overhaul Cav by winning a stage and/or getting a few top 3 placings.
Viviani would need to win both sprint stages and have Cav crash out on both.

Oh, and Nibali, Uran or Santambrogio go on a complete rampage and win 3 of the remaining stages they could also take the red jersey.

jrduquemin

ThomThom wrote:

Lars deserved this. Hope Cav fails in every way possible.

Well I guess Cav shoved that remark up your ass then didn't he? Knob!

Walter White

oldwelshman wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Viviani's conditioning is starting to suffer.
Went backwards at a rate of knots.
Nizzolo the strongest, but Cav the fastest.

How do you make this out? How is Nizzolo the strongest when he came 2nd?

Haha, hes probably using the same flawed logic as quite a few last year on the Champs-Elysees who were saying Sagan was stronger and faster than Cav because he was closing up on him in the last 30 meters after Cav had went for it from a long way out.

danlikesbikes

jrduquemin wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Lars deserved this. Hope Cav fails in every way possible.

Well I guess Cav shoved that remark up your ass then didn't he? Knob!

He might have or might not have, but moderate your tone to the open nature of this section of the form accordingly please.

oldwelshman

Blazing Saddles wrote:

oldwelshman wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Viviani's conditioning is starting to suffer.
Went backwards at a rate of knots.
Nizzolo the strongest, but Cav the fastest.

How do you make this out? How is Nizzolo the strongest when he came 2nd?

Why do you see everything as a slight against someone or other?
Nizzolo started his sprint first, got overtaken by Mezgec, didn't fade, came back, closed, lost by half a wheel.
He came 2nd because Cav was clearly the fastest; strength and speed not being mutually inclusive.

Quite simple really, if he was the strongest sprinter he would have won

mididoctors

Cav has class in spades

Squaggles

Faster , stronger , tougher , fatter

and Cav wins again

salsiccia1

jrduquemin wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Lars deserved this. Hope Cav fails in every way possible.

Well I guess Cav shoved that remark up your ass then didn't he? Knob!

I think we're getting to the point where every non-serious comment needs to be marked with *Joke*, *irony* or *sarcasm* tags, as some people just don't get it...

camerone

Knowing how much of a Lars Bak fan Thom Thom is I see no issue with a light hearted remark of the nature he made, I realise this is the internet and hence arguing for the sake of it is primary concern but this seems abit silly

thomthom

Salsiccia1 wrote:

jrduquemin wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Lars deserved this. Hope Cav fails in every way possible.

Well I guess Cav shoved that remark up your ass then didn't he? Knob!

I think we're getting to the point where every non-serious comment needs to be marked with *Joke*, *irony* or *sarcasm* tags, as some people just don't get it...

Nah, I give up. If my avatar, my post before, during and after Bak attacked - and was caught - didn't suggest it was a bit of banter I don't know then..

I've done nothing but praise Cav for his 3 previous wins in this Giro.

Jesus..

Macaloon

camerone wrote:

Knowing how much of a Lars Bak fan Thom Thom is I see no issue with a light hearted remark of the nature he made, I realise this is the internet and hence arguing for the sake of it is primary concern but this seems abit silly

Yep. At the time I think almost everybody knew it wasn't a serious comment and coming from a poster of Thom Thom's stature should only be seen as a bid for some attention 8) SO LIGHTEN UP ALL.

TheBigBean

ThomThom wrote:

Nah, I give up. If my avatar, my post before, during and after Bak attacked and was caught didn't suggest it was a bit of banter I don't know then..

Jesus..

That's the trouble with writing things like e-mails / forum comments. It's much harder to tell whether it is a joke or not which is why forums often end up in heated discussions which wouldn't normally happen face to face. Some people solve this problem with emoticons, but I'm definitely not encouraging that.

danlikesbikes

Anyone know who this was aimed at?

Hayden Roulston ‏@HaydenRoulston 4m
It annoys the **** (edited by me but insert own rude word of choice) out of me when certain guys hold on to cars in the climbs and then sprint a few days later. #justgohome!

Wasn't Cav as he tweeted afterwards his congrats to Cav.

Mad_Malx

Cav isn't the strongest, as evidenced by his power output which is below most of his rivals. He doesn't need to be, because he is more aero, gets in a better position (more aero again), lighter than many of the others, and times his attacks better. He goes faster with less strength.
And I'm a Cav fan.

I also agree with points comments about the hating - let's keep it friendly.

oldwelshman

Mad_Malx wrote:

Cav isn't the strongest, as evidenced by his power output which is below most of his rivals. He doesn't need to be, because he is more aero, gets in a better position (more aero again), lighter than many of the others, and times his attacks better. He goes faster with less strength.
And I'm a Cav fan.

I also agree with points comments about the hating - let's keep it friendly.

Well I guess the english language can be confusing If you mean strenght in terms of power out, yes, Cav is not the strongest as some bigger guys output higher wttage, but then again as they are larger they need more power to move heavier weight, if you look at Cav's power to weight ratio it will be quite high.
But strongest can also mean accumulation of strengths making him the "strongest" such as aero position, tactics, positioing etc all of which add up to make him the "strongest" sprinter, hence winning most.

above_the_cows

goonz wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Indeed. He really is special. To be that consistently good. And he does have lovely eyelashes.

And his missus isn't too bad either!

Peta's not really my type but I will concede she is a looker. Wouldn't mind her legs.

And what's with all the rudeness and aggression on here of late? I know I can piss a few people off with my raving fundamentalist man-hating feminism but I've never resorted to aggression and rude name calling (if I have I apologise). It isn't very nice folks.


*Sorry should have added some of these first time around :P :P :P :P :P Better!

Pross

oldwelshman wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

Cav isn't the strongest, as evidenced by his power output which is below most of his rivals. He doesn't need to be, because he is more aero, gets in a better position (more aero again), lighter than many of the others, and times his attacks better. He goes faster with less strength.
And I'm a Cav fan.

I also agree with points comments about the hating - let's keep it friendly.

Well I guess the english language can be confusing If you mean strenght in terms of power out, yes, Cav is not the strongest as some bigger guys output higher wttage, but then again as they are larger they need more power to move heavier weight, if you look at Cav's power to weight ratio it will be quite high.
But strongest can also mean accumulation of strengths making him the "strongest" such as aero position, tactics, positioing etc all of which add up to make him the "strongest" sprinter, hence winning most.

I took Blazing's comment to me strength in terms of sprint strength i.e. sustaining the sprint for a long time. Both 1st and 2nd place did well to sustain long sprints but Cav got the faster kick. It was pretty impressive seeing someone stick with him so well as usually, once he gets in front no-one can live with him.

garyhoop1

Videos from the Giro so far including todays Stage 13 - http://bit.ly/137KqEf

blazing_saddles

Pross wrote:

oldwelshman wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

Cav isn't the strongest, as evidenced by his power output which is below most of his rivals. He doesn't need to be, because he is more aero, gets in a better position (more aero again), lighter than many of the others, and times his attacks better. He goes faster with less strength.
And I'm a Cav fan.

I also agree with points comments about the hating - let's keep it friendly.

Well I guess the english language can be confusing If you mean strenght in terms of power out, yes, Cav is not the strongest as some bigger guys output higher wttage, but then again as they are larger they need more power to move heavier weight, if you look at Cav's power to weight ratio it will be quite high.
But strongest can also mean accumulation of strengths making him the "strongest" such as aero position, tactics, positioing etc all of which add up to make him the "strongest" sprinter, hence winning most.

I took Blazing's comment to me strength in terms of sprint strength i.e. sustaining the sprint for a long time. Both 1st and 2nd place did well to sustain long sprints but Cav got the faster kick. It was pretty impressive seeing someone stick with him so well as usually, once he gets in front no-one can live with him.

Thank you, Pross. That is exactly what I meant. Nothing in it condescending towards Cav.
I simply prefer to make a general observation of the sprint, rather from the standpoint of a solitary rider.
I don't consider this to be flawed logic.
IF I were talking about the last 30kms, I would say Cav was incredibly strong today.

Daz555

Mad_Malx wrote:

BigMat wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Cavendish must really want this jersey. Good man!

Three things Cav wants:

1. Olympic medal (must be gold )
2. Record number of Tour stage wins
3. Red jersey to match his wins in Tour / Vuelta

I'm starting to think #1 is the most unlikely now

Olympic gold for Cav? Returning to the track for Rio could possibly do it for him but then he'd lose 2 seasons of road racing....would he want it enough?

MrTapir

garyhoop1 wrote:

Videos from the Giro so far including todays Stage 13 - http://bit.ly/137KqEf

Thanks for this, work plus dodgy streaming meant I didnt see the whole finish.

Just heard a cracking Quigleyism:

"Katusha are taking it up, could it be that Luca Paolini has something left at the end of this stage?"
*four seconds elapse*
"Luca Paolini drops out of contention".

Quigley cycling bingo anyone?

inkyfingers

Daz555 wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

BigMat wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Cavendish must really want this jersey. Good man!

Three things Cav wants:

1. Olympic medal (must be gold )
2. Record number of Tour stage wins
3. Red jersey to match his wins in Tour / Vuelta

I'm starting to think #1 is the most unlikely now

Olympic gold for Cav? Returning to the track for Rio could possibly do it for him but then he'd lose 2 seasons of road racing....would he want it enough?

It's a hell of a risk isn't it.

goonz

Mad_Malx wrote:

Cav isn't the strongest, as evidenced by his power output which is below most of his rivals. He doesn't need to be, because he is more aero, gets in a better position (more aero again), lighter than many of the others, and times his attacks better. He goes faster with less strength.
And I'm a Cav fan.

I also agree with points comments about the hating - let's keep it friendly.

His technique seems near to immaculate. A lot of other guys you see seem to bob their heads loads which must seriously sap energy, (what is all that bobbing heads about anyway)? Plus he is smaller and got some chunky legs.