Giro Stage 12 - Spoilers

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  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    Bondurant wrote:
    Perhaps I'm being naive but people get ill, right?

    Of course they do. But it is incredibly rare that a pre-race favourite in a major 3-week tour falls ill like this. Yes it does happen, but not often. (if anyone disagrees, let me know the last time this happened)

    EDIT: If he really is sick, then its most likely bronchitis as opposed to some "bug" that is doing the rounds otherwise you would expect the rest of his team to be in similarly poor condition,.
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  • doug5_10
    doug5_10 Posts: 465
    Some dirt dug up on Kreuziger today, uh oh . . .
    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538453/roman-kreuziger-admits-working-with-banned-dr-ferrari.html
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  • Crozza
    Crozza Posts: 991
    I didn't watch the sport of professional bike racing much before 2008 or so - were any of the famous sprinters of yore as dominant in bunch sprints as Cav is now?
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Cataldo got ill since night of the TTT, and was only back to strength by Tue's stage. Knees similar. At least those two, but sounds like more of the team.
    Knees said his cold started during the 7th stage and he was almost but not quite over it by the 10th stage.
  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    Crozza wrote:
    I didn't watch the sport of professional bike racing much before 2008 or so - were any of the famous sprinters of yore as dominant in bunch sprints as Cav is now?


    Yes... many... but the difference with Cav is that he is and has been head and shoulders above the rest for a very long time now (i.e. he started very young, and there is still no sign of him slowing)
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  • meagain
    meagain Posts: 2,331
    Well, Cippolini - 42 Giro Stages incl 6 in 2002, 12 TdF Stages, incl 4 in 1999. No slouch!
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    1 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA AST 46:28:14 0:00
    2 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC 46:28:55 0:41
    3 URAN URAN Rigoberto COL SKY 46:30:18 2:04
    4 GESINK Robert NED BLA 46:30:26 2:12
    5 SCARPONI Michele ITA LAM 46:30:27 2:13
    6 SANTAMBROGIO Mauro ITA VIN 46:31:09 2:55
    7 NIEMIEC Przemyslaw POL LAM 46:31:49 3:35
    8 INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA Benat ESP MOV 46:32:19 4:05
    9 POZZOVIVO Domenico ITA ALM 46:32:31 4:17
    10 MAJKA Rafal POL TST 46:32:35 4:21
    11 HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis COL SKY 46:33:20 5:06
    12 KANGERT Tanel EST AST 46:33:22 5:08
    13 WIGGINS Bradley GBR SKY 46:33:36 5:22
    14 BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos A. COL ALM 46:33:40 5:26
    15 KISERLOVSKI Robert CRO RLT 46:34:11 5:57
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    edited May 2013
    knedlicky wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Cataldo got ill since night of the TTT, and was only back to strength by Tue's stage. Knees similar. At least those two, but sounds like more of the team.
    Knees said his cold started during the 7th stage and he was almost but not quite over it by the 10th stage.


    Ok, thought Knees started his a bit earlier - my misunderstanding.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    emadden wrote:

    ... the difference with Cav is that he is and has been head and shoulders above the rest

    I saw what you did there :lol:

    Cav took some of the Sky hate last year, this year its all going Wiggins' way
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    knedlicky wrote:
    1 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA AST 46:28:14 0:00
    2 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC 46:28:55 0:41
    3 URAN URAN Rigoberto COL SKY 46:30:18 2:04

    So Rigo did get back in.
  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    meagain wrote:
    Well, Cippolini - 42 Giro Stages incl 6 in 2002, 12 TdF Stages, incl 4 in 1999. No slouch!

    His "preparation" was a bit different to Cav's though!
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  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Three overall points jerseys for Mario too, but all in the Giro. No wins on the Champs-Élysées. Did he ever finish a tour?
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    lostboysaint wrote:
    meagain wrote:
    Well, Cippolini - 42 Giro Stages incl 6 in 2002, 12 TdF Stages, incl 4 in 1999. No slouch!

    His "preparation" was a bit different to Cav's though!

    Let's hope so.
  • 2oldnslow
    2oldnslow Posts: 313
    "Three overall points jerseys for Mario too, but all in the Giro." Dare I say it but it wasn't exactly unknown back in the day to ahemmmm tailor the parcours to suit a local hero. Not that he wasn't one of great sprinters of course.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    It still is. Vuelta-organizers must have gone mental as to know what else could've been done to make Jrod Vuelta champ 2012...
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Right, you lot. I'm off to Italy tomorrow morning to follow the rest of the race through to Brescia.

    Any requests for pics? I'll try to post some most days.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    In fairness CAv isnt the brash tw*tbag he was and wiggins is failing to deliver.

    So, to sum up
    Cav = modest winner
    Wiggins = loser

    Yeah total loser he should send all those gold medals back and flog himself. :)
  • Crozza
    Crozza Posts: 991
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Any requests for pics?

    no thanks



















    :wink:
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,547
    RonB wrote:
    Three overall points jerseys for Mario too, but all in the Giro. No wins on the Champs-Élysées. Did he ever finish a tour?

    Nope. Usually he was knackered after doing MSR and Gent-Wevelgem, then the Giro and the first half of the Tour so he'd head to the beach as soon as the Tour reached the mountains.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Right, you lot. I'm off to Italy tomorrow morning to follow the rest of the race through to Brescia.

    Any requests for pics? I'll try to post some most days.

    I ll have one of a monkey feeding a dog with a fishing rod please
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ddraver wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Right, you lot. I'm off to Italy tomorrow morning to follow the rest of the race through to Brescia.

    Any requests for pics? I'll try to post some most days.

    I ll have one of a monkey feeding a dog with a fishing rod please


    See what I can do. From the chuffing forecast Its going to be bad weather for days to come. I may send pics of vino e formaggio instead
  • kleinstroker
    kleinstroker Posts: 2,133
    emadden wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    I didn't watch the sport of professional bike racing much before 2008 or so - were any of the famous sprinters of yore as dominant in bunch sprints as Cav is now?


    Yes... many... but the difference with Cav is that he is and has been head and shoulders above the rest for a very long time now (i.e. he started very young, and there is still no sign of him slowing)

    Disagree completely! Things were very different back in the day, before the advent of the leadout train, I doubt Cav would have the success he has had without his train doing all the work. I'm not saying is he isnt a great sprinter but comparing him to other sprinters who were also good all rounders is problematic I would have thought.
  • chrisday
    chrisday Posts: 300
    kleinstroker wrote:
    emadden wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    I didn't watch the sport of professional bike racing much before 2008 or so - were any of the famous sprinters of yore as dominant in bunch sprints as Cav is now?


    Yes... many... but the difference with Cav is that he is and has been head and shoulders above the rest for a very long time now (i.e. he started very young, and there is still no sign of him slowing)

    Disagree completely! Things were very different back in the day, before the advent of the leadout train, I doubt Cav would have the success he has had without his train doing all the work. I'm not saying is he isnt a great sprinter but comparing him to other sprinters who were also good all rounders is problematic I would have thought.

    Yeah, cos Cipo never head a leadout train, did he? :roll:
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    chrisday wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    emadden wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    I didn't watch the sport of professional bike racing much before 2008 or so - were any of the famous sprinters of yore as dominant in bunch sprints as Cav is now?


    Yes... many... but the difference with Cav is that he is and has been head and shoulders above the rest for a very long time now (i.e. he started very young, and there is still no sign of him slowing)

    Disagree completely! Things were very different back in the day, before the advent of the leadout train, I doubt Cav would have the success he has had without his train doing all the work. I'm not saying is he isnt a great sprinter but comparing him to other sprinters who were also good all rounders is problematic I would have thought.

    Yeah, cos Cipo never head a leadout train, did he? :roll:


    Cipo: the leadout train, the concept of which was pioneered for him + huge dopage + a Giro that was designed year after year with lots and lots of flat sprint stages

    A winning formula
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Right, you lot. I'm off to Italy tomorrow morning to follow the rest of the race through to Brescia.

    Any requests for pics? I'll try to post some most days.

    I ll have one of a monkey feeding a dog with a fishing rod please


    See what I can do. From the chuffing forecast Its going to be bad weather for days to come. I may send pics of vino e formaggio instead

    Tis pretty much what I ve been doing all week :(
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    chrisday wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    emadden wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    I didn't watch the sport of professional bike racing much before 2008 or so - were any of the famous sprinters of yore as dominant in bunch sprints as Cav is now?


    Yes... many... but the difference with Cav is that he is and has been head and shoulders above the rest for a very long time now (i.e. he started very young, and there is still no sign of him slowing)

    Disagree completely! Things were very different back in the day, before the advent of the leadout train, I doubt Cav would have the success he has had without his train doing all the work. I'm not saying is he isnt a great sprinter but comparing him to other sprinters who were also good all rounders is problematic I would have thought.

    Yeah, cos Cipo never head a leadout train, did he? :roll:


    Cipo: the leadout train, the concept of which was pioneered for him + huge dopage + a Giro that was designed year after year with lots and lots of flat sprint stages

    A winning formula

    Lead out train or not, he still has to go faster than the other sprinters to win. They have tried sitting on his wheel and still find it difficult to beat the bloke. Recently he has also won without a train. Anyway, in a straight sprint he still comes out on top more often than not.
    Better than Chippo or Zabel? Who can say. If he finishes his career with more wins then yes.
  • symo
    symo Posts: 1,743
    and an outspoken anti-doper.
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    we are the proud, the few, Descendents.

    Panama - finally putting a nail in the economic theory of the trickle down effect.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Right, you lot. I'm off to Italy tomorrow morning to follow the rest of the race through to Brescia.

    Any requests for pics? I'll try to post some most days.

    Can you get me a pic of a beautiful Italian waitress bringing out a beautiful Italian pizza? I miss them so...

    Failing that, some mental tifosi wearing those home-made paper hats please
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    Just make sure they're all out of focus.

    It'll drive FF nuts. :wink:
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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Tough crowd as usual. All the Brits are useless then yeah?
    Who thought Cadel would be back this year? Maybe Wiggo can be back to winning ways soon. Cav is awesome! Van Poppel had Super Confex controlling races in the 1980's so hardly new territory.

    I get the whole cycling not be dominated by national sentiment. I've been watching since 1987, national sentiment wasn't an option. Do I enjoy Brits doing well, yes. Do I enjoy seeing riders fail? No

    Assuming Wiggins is clean, ever thought of the palmares he's been deprived of on the road by dopers rather than just implying he fluked a win in 2012. Anybody remember 2 hour TT's in a GT for starters? Who might that have benefitted if not Wiggins?

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