Giro Stage 8 ITT - Spoiler thread
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RichN95 wrote:
Only top 25 split times from my source, the Sky Sports ticker.0 -
Positive from Wiggins. It'll be interesting to see if and how they play those cards.Art Vandelay wrote:Some thoughts from Wiggins:
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"We’re still here and we’ve got three guys in the top 10 now. We’ve got a few cards to play.”0 -
deejay wrote:Wiggins will have something to be pleased about tonight.
Wigan (Soccer) have just scored a goal with 3 mins to go in the FA Cup Final.
Final result Wigan 1 Manchester City O
Have Team Sky ever won a cycle race in ITALY. ??????
They've also won races in Italy0 -
frenchfighter wrote:@L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.
Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.
Sour grapes after the disappearance of the Garmin-Cervelo women's squad?"I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
deejay wrote:
You mean either the Giro or Tirreno-Adriatico GC, or one of the two monuments?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Nice. 9th GC too. They were probably going for Strava KOMsRichN95 wrote:
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inkyfingers wrote:frenchfighter wrote:@L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.
Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.
Sour grapes after the disappearance of the Garmin-Cervelo women's squad?
No, to be fair JV was talking toot. She's as entitled to her opinion of that toot as the rest of us0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:inkyfingers wrote:frenchfighter wrote:@L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.
Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.
Sour grapes after the disappearance of the Garmin-Cervelo women's squad?
No, to be fair JV was talking toot. She's as entitled to her opinion of that toot as the rest of us
I agree, just wondered whether their past might have added a bit of extra spice."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
deejay wrote:
Have Team Sky ever won a cycle race in ITALY. ??????
5 Giro stages*
3 Tirreno-Adriatico stages
2 Giro del Trentino stages
1 Brixia Tour stage
Gran Piemonte
But apart from that they've never won an Italian race
(*Two of the Giro stages were actually outside Italy, but EBH won a stage of the Tour in Italy)Twitter: @RichN950 -
No just a complete win.No tA Doctor wrote:deejay wrote:
A TTT and the Siutsou stage in trentino is not what I was aiming for.
I meant a whole kit and Caboodle race win.
You mean either the Giro or Tirreno-Adriatico GC, or one of the two monuments?
Would answer my (Their) problem if they have won a Stage Race but in the meantime I've got one.
2012 Giro del Piemonte won by Rigoberto Uran.
So now I will make my point that the Beauty of the Giro is that it is unlike the French Tour and nearly always seems to have more variables to win it.
I hope there are some more twists in the next two thirds of the race.
Edit - well done Rich, a good answer.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
inkyfingers wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:inkyfingers wrote:frenchfighter wrote:@L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.
Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.
Sour grapes after the disappearance of the Garmin-Cervelo women's squad?
No, to be fair JV was talking toot. She's as entitled to her opinion of that toot as the rest of us
I agree, just wondered whether their past might have added a bit of extra spice.
Ah, right. Yeah, maybe. Emma Pooley would certainly like the power meter she was promised in her contract....
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Milton50 wrote:Hesjedal definitely out of it now.
I wouldn't write him off just yet.0 -
knedlicky wrote:
To the above, add Gesink at 7-15 and Hesjedal at 7-30.gpreeves wrote:
They're pretty much match what I worked out. Scarponi's final climb is notable though - only a second slower than Nibali in 7'04Art Vandelay wrote:Quick calculations so these may be totally wrong. Selected times on the final climb from the penultimate time check:
Alex Dowsett 7’49
Bradley Wiggins 7’00
Tanel Kangert 7’21
Vincenzo Nibali 7’03
Stef Clement 7’22
Luke Durbridge 7’37
Cadel Evans 6’55
Sergio Luis Henao 7’15
Evans and Wiggins finishing strong.
Also Keldermann’s performance is worth a note, 7-20 on the climb, only 1-57 down on Dowsett at the end. Think he's now taken the white jersey.
Anyone know Santambrogio and Betancurs times?0 -
Perfect outcome really. Wiggins gets back a bit of time and realistically having seen that course, there's no way he could have been expecting considerably more. Now we have a role reversal from the Tour last year - Wiggins has to find time, and Nibali needs to defend. I'm guessing Wiggin's best chance is to try to ride Nibali off his wheel like he (and Froome) managed at Peyragudes, so I'd reckon on Sky sticking with the train rather than throwing Uran or Henao into attacks. Can't see Evans or Hesjedal finding time on Nibali. My money is on Nibali though.0
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Evans was the fastest on the last climb today, 5 seconds quicker than Wiggins in 2nd place. So he could well find a few seconds here and there on Nibali. With a bonification or two he's very much in the frame.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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PuttyKnees wrote:Perfect outcome really. Wiggins gets back a bit of time and realistically having seen that course, there's no way he could have been expecting considerably more.
Not even close of being a perfect outcome. Before this Giro started people would call a 11 seconds gain on Nibali on this TT a disaster. Let's be honest here - he, like everybody else, expected considerably more.0 -
ThomThom wrote:PuttyKnees wrote:Perfect outcome really. Wiggins gets back a bit of time and realistically having seen that course, there's no way he could have been expecting considerably more.
Not even close of being a perfect outcome. Before this Giro started people would call a 11 seconds gain on Nibali on this TT a disaster. Let's be honest here - he, like everybody else, expected considerably more.
Well, yeah, have to agree with that. He didnt ride a good first half, plus the puncture - and Nibali rode a blinder0 -
ThomThom wrote:PuttyKnees wrote:Perfect outcome really. Wiggins gets back a bit of time and realistically having seen that course, there's no way he could have been expecting considerably more.
Not even close of being a perfect outcome. Before this Giro started people would call a 11 seconds gain on Nibali on this TT a disaster. Let's be honest here - he, like everybody else, expected considerably more.
but from a spectacle point of view it is pretty good0 -
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No tA Doctor wrote:Evans was the fastest on the last climb today, 5 seconds quicker than Wiggins in 2nd place. So he could well find a few seconds here and there on Nibali. With a bonification or two he's very much in the frame.
I think that's the crux of it. Wiggins will recoup maybe 45secs on the mountain TT? That means he's got to drop Nibali/Cubbles to a reasonable fashion on one of the climbs. With the best will in the world he's not going to drop them on the descents, so the only place he can do damage is the final climb of the day. He at this moment doesn't look like he's got the explosiveness to drop people, which means he's going for bonuses with people that seem faster finishers.
If you had Nibs, Cuddles and Wiggo at the finish of a stage, and a few quid to put on, where would your cash go?
I hope I'm wrong, but I think unless he can do what Contador did in the Vuelta last year and pull something out of the bag, he's racing for a minor place.
Still, he could really shut people up if he pulls it off...0 -
Perfect for the race, not for Wiggins. Obviously for Wiggins the perfect outcome would have been to have made up 5 minutes and his rivals all fallen on their backsides in sympathy for his show yesterday. I'm sure he expected more, but considerably more? Not sure, realistically, both the start and the finish suited Nibali (and Evans I guess), negating the usual benefits one would expect from a TT.0
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I think Nibali is better on the longer climbs than Nibbles but Wiggo is also better suited to longer climbs, the finish today was more suited to both Evans and Nibali so in that context Wiggo did ok so not too bad looking ahead, 2 weeks is a long time to defend only a minute.No tA Doctor wrote:Evans was the fastest on the last climb today, 5 seconds quicker than Wiggins in 2nd place. So he could well find a few seconds here and there on Nibali. With a bonification or two he's very much in the frame.0 -
David Millar @millarmind 1h
Lesson's learnt today: Dowsett is a world class TTer, Cadel is back, Wiggo is very strong, Nibali is the best racer, Ryder will attack.0 -
RichN95 wrote:Anyone who thinks this race is over for anyone before we've been up a single mountain is an idiot.
Absolutely.
Lets not forget that Wiggins gained time on Nibali in the mountains in both the 2012 Tour and the 2011 Vuelta.
Evans looks dangerous to me, he's smart, has something to prove and nobody will fight harder than he does.
Gesink is well placed, but i'm not convinced he can perform over 3 weeks.
Nibali looked superb today, but he has to defend the lead for 2 weeks now."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
oldwelshman wrote:
I think Nibali is better on the longer climbs than Nibbles but Wiggo is also better suited to longer climbs, the finish today was more suited to both Evans and Nibali so in that context Wiggo did ok so not too bad looking ahead, 2 weeks is a long time to defend only a minute.No tA Doctor wrote:Evans was the fastest on the last climb today, 5 seconds quicker than Wiggins in 2nd place. So he could well find a few seconds here and there on Nibali. With a bonification or two he's very much in the frame.
It's going to be interesting. Look forward to seeing what Wiggins can do if he cant just ride defensively.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Is it just me, or do there seem to be a huge number of mechanicals in this Tour? Is there a common GS, or is it just random?0
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Many Giros have been won by not cracking rather than attacking. With five MTFs and a mountain TT still to come (half of them two weeks away), this may be the case again.No tA Doctor wrote:It's going to be interesting. Look forward to seeing what Wiggins can do if he cant just ride defensively.Twitter: @RichN950
