Giro Stage 8 ITT - Spoiler thread
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Macaloon wrote:
His trousers can talk?Above The Cows wrote:Having sideburns and questionable dress sense?
Well the bit towards the top rear can yes.
Correlation is not causation.0 -
Sky do not have to ride as a train now, defensively or offensively. They can let Haeno go if Evans or others go, even try himself. Wiggo can just sit on the Astana train then and attack later. He has dropped Nibo on climbs before, and he has dropped Evans before. He is not the "bad" climber people make out.Above The Cows wrote:ALIHISGREAT wrote:Above The Cows wrote:DeadCalm wrote:With Henao and Uran decently placed, Sky would seem to be in a good position to put Nibali under a fair amount of pressure. It'll be interesting to see if they take the opportunity to attack him or whether they'll hope to take the time on the final time trial.
Surely they'll have to attack him or at least hope to drop him on a climb, I'm not sure how much time Wiggins can make up over 20km.
They're going to ruin the astana train, then Wiggo will diesel through for the time bonuses?
Honestly I have no idea, Wiggins has to ride away from Nibali and the rest of Astana either with a train or alone. All Nibali has to do is stay with Wiggins and Evans and well...
It might not require totally different riding from Sky but the train will have to be an offensive train rather than a defensive one. Or maybe Wiggins has become this amazing climber and he is going to blow them all away up the Galibier, who knows?
Will be edge of the seat stuff anyway and at least people are hopefully not going to moan about things being boring.0 -
Above The Cows wrote:ALIHISGREAT wrote:Above The Cows wrote:DeadCalm wrote:With Henao and Uran decently placed, Sky would seem to be in a good position to put Nibali under a fair amount of pressure. It'll be interesting to see if they take the opportunity to attack him or whether they'll hope to take the time on the final time trial.
Surely they'll have to attack him or at least hope to drop him on a climb, I'm not sure how much time Wiggins can make up over 20km.
They're going to ruin the astana train, then Wiggo will diesel through for the time bonuses?
Honestly I have no idea, Wiggins has to ride away from Nibali and the rest of Astana either with a train or alone. All Nibali has to do is stay with Wiggins and Evans and well...
It might not require totally different riding from Sky but the train will have to be an offensive train rather than a defensive one. Or maybe Wiggins has become this amazing climber and he is going to blow them all away up the Galibier, who knows?
Will be edge of the seat stuff anyway and at least people are hopefully not going to moan about things being boring.
Judging by his performance today he is certainly a stronger climber than last year, and considering that was after an hour of riding 400+ watts, I'm hoping he'll surprise us all.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
oldwelshman wrote:
Sky do not have to ride as a train now, defensively or offensively. They can let Haeno go if Evans or others go, even try himself. Wiggo can just sit on the Astana train then and attack later. He has dropped Nibo on climbs before, and he has dropped Evans before. He is not the "bad" climber people make out.Above The Cows wrote:ALIHISGREAT wrote:Above The Cows wrote:DeadCalm wrote:With Henao and Uran decently placed, Sky would seem to be in a good position to put Nibali under a fair amount of pressure. It'll be interesting to see if they take the opportunity to attack him or whether they'll hope to take the time on the final time trial.
Surely they'll have to attack him or at least hope to drop him on a climb, I'm not sure how much time Wiggins can make up over 20km.
They're going to ruin the astana train, then Wiggo will diesel through for the time bonuses?
Honestly I have no idea, Wiggins has to ride away from Nibali and the rest of Astana either with a train or alone. All Nibali has to do is stay with Wiggins and Evans and well...
It might not require totally different riding from Sky but the train will have to be an offensive train rather than a defensive one. Or maybe Wiggins has become this amazing climber and he is going to blow them all away up the Galibier, who knows?
Will be edge of the seat stuff anyway and at least people are hopefully not going to moan about things being boring.
No I don't think he is the bad climber that people make out either and Nibali is not a Contador or a Froome. But as far as trains go, I worry about Wiggins when he's on his own, he seems to like the company of his team mates. He certainly needs to stop malingering about on his own. It is whether or not Wiggins can attack that I am wondering. He can sit on the Astana train as you suggest but he is going to need to attack at some point and his riding up until this point suggests that he is better at an incremental increase in pace than a sudden burst, having a train with him to help him pace this would surely help no?Correlation is not causation.0 -
On the video above, see at 1.22 for the difference in height between Dowsett and Phinney! Wiggins bike change at 1.24 (20secs from braking to reaching race speed again, not counting any time lost from riding on a flat).Contador is the Greatest0
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22 pages for a TT must be a record.0
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I bet Hesjedal's going to be twitchy about clawing time back pronto, maybe trying as soon as tomorrow. Depends how much today's effort has taken out of the top GC guys. Tomorrow doesnt look a doddle.0
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Quick calculations so these may be totally wrong. Selected times on the final climb from the penultimate time check:
Alex Dowsett 7’49
Bradley Wiggins 7’00
Tanel Kangert 7’21
Vincenzo Nibali 7’03
Stef Clement 7’22
Luke Durbridge 7’37
Cadel Evans 6’55
Sergio Luis Henao 7’15
Evans and Wiggins finishing strong.0 -
Grill wrote:Above The Cows wrote:ALIHISGREAT wrote:Above The Cows wrote:DeadCalm wrote:With Henao and Uran decently placed, Sky would seem to be in a good position to put Nibali under a fair amount of pressure. It'll be interesting to see if they take the opportunity to attack him or whether they'll hope to take the time on the final time trial.
Surely they'll have to attack him or at least hope to drop him on a climb, I'm not sure how much time Wiggins can make up over 20km.
They're going to ruin the astana train, then Wiggo will diesel through for the time bonuses?
Honestly I have no idea, Wiggins has to ride away from Nibali and the rest of Astana either with a train or alone. All Nibali has to do is stay with Wiggins and Evans and well...
It might not require totally different riding from Sky but the train will have to be an offensive train rather than a defensive one. Or maybe Wiggins has become this amazing climber and he is going to blow them all away up the Galibier, who knows?
Will be edge of the seat stuff anyway and at least people are hopefully not going to moan about things being boring.
Judging by his performance today he is certainly a stronger climber than last year, and considering that was after an hour of riding 400+ watts, I'm hoping he'll surprise us all.
Amidst all the nonsense on twitter today was something about Wiggins saying he struggled to find his rhythm in the first half of the TT. This is what I think he finds difficult, the ability to change tempo. If he can set a strong pace up a climb and shed riders great, that would be his form of an attack, but I don't think he can just turn up the gas and turn it down again. Turn it up and turn it up some more and then down and then up and then down etc. etc.
We will see. I would love to see him prove me wrong or just ride away from the others, honestly I'm not fussed. I'm not even a massive fan. I'd just like him to be more than a one time GT winner. Same goes for Evans, so if he pulls this Giro off, I'd also be happy for the cantankerous old goat.Correlation is not causation.0 -
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Missed most of the beginning of the TT, so what’s this about?frenchfighter wrote:
If the Blanco's hadnt crashed neither would he have.Pross wrote:
No one took him out, he fell off the exact same way the leading Blanco did.frenchfighter wrote:Great ride by Scarponi. Shame he lost all that time after the Blancos took him out.0 -
Mad_Malx wrote:22 pages for a TT must be a record.
It would have been 24 but the comments about Hesjedal are still coming in The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
Art Vandelay wrote:Quick calculations so these may be totally wrong. Selected times on the final climb from the penultimate time check:
Alex Dowsett 7’49
Bradley Wiggins 7’00
Tanel Kangert 7’21
Vincenzo Nibali 7’03
Stef Clement 7’22
Luke Durbridge 7’37
Cadel Evans 6’55
Sergio Luis Henao 7’15
Evans and Wiggins finishing strong.
They're pretty much match what I worked out. Scarponi's final climb is notable though - only a second slower than Nibali in 7'040 -
Pleased for Dowsett. Evans too – once again I thought his TT riding style really smooth.
Glad to see Scarponi up still there because for sure he’ll try something, glad to see Gesink up there too, though don’t think it will last. Hope to see Santambrogio now do something and expect the Ag2R lot will do so.
Agree with this.
and thisNo tA Doctor wrote:makes the uphill TT (21km) on stage 18 interesting...TailWindHome wrote:If you're going to have a long TT.....that's the way to do it.iainf72 wrote:I'd expect someone to make it hard tomorrow.
If you're up there overall, and feel ok after today, it would be worth making it tough.
Yes, I can imagine Hesjedal having a stab in the last 30 kms tomorrow, like he tried early in the week.Richmond Racer wrote:I bet Hesjedal's going to be twitchy about clawing time back pronto, maybe trying as soon as tomorrow.
Also discovered reading through the posts that UK Cycling Expert can be amusing sometimes! RichN95 too!0 -
Who does anyone think Heneo or Uran would be allowed to get away?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:Who does anyone think Heneo or Uran would be allowed to get away?
Yep. First week not gone as Sky would have hoped, but with 3 guys in the top 10 they do have some cards to play.0 -
knedlicky wrote:Missed most of the beginning of the TT, so what’s this about?frenchfighter wrote:
If the Blanco's hadnt crashed neither would he have.Pross wrote:
No one took him out, he fell off the exact same way the leading Blanco did.frenchfighter wrote:Great ride by Scarponi. Shame he lost all that time after the Blancos took him out.
From a previous stage when two Blanco riders and Scarponi crashed on a descent, the stage that Paolini won.
Don't worry two Blancos did not take out Scarponi in the TT, although that would have explained how we got to 22 pages. Correlation is not causation.0 -
knedlicky wrote:Missed most of the beginning of the TT, so what’s this about?frenchfighter wrote:
If the Blanco's hadnt crashed neither would he have.Pross wrote:
No one took him out, he fell off the exact same way the leading Blanco did.frenchfighter wrote:Great ride by Scarponi. Shame he lost all that time after the Blancos took him out.
Harping back to the crash on Stage 2 or 3 when a Blanco rider slid out and took his team mate down, Scarps was behind the pair and also slid out - possibly due to avoiding the others, possibly because it was a slick corner, who knows?0 -
To the above, add Gesink at 7-15 and Hesjedal at 7-30.gpreeves wrote:
They're pretty much match what I worked out. Scarponi's final climb is notable though - only a second slower than Nibali in 7'04Art Vandelay wrote:Quick calculations so these may be totally wrong. Selected times on the final climb from the penultimate time check:
Alex Dowsett 7’49
Bradley Wiggins 7’00
Tanel Kangert 7’21
Vincenzo Nibali 7’03
Stef Clement 7’22
Luke Durbridge 7’37
Cadel Evans 6’55
Sergio Luis Henao 7’15
Evans and Wiggins finishing strong.
Also Keldermann’s performance is worth a note, 7-20 on the climb, only 1-57 down on Dowsett at the end. Think he's now taken the white jersey.0 -
Thanks Pross, and Above The Cows too, for more or less the same answer.Pross wrote:
Harping back to the crash on Stage 2 or 3 when a Blanco rider slid out and took his team mate down, Scarps was behind the pair and also slid out - possibly due to avoiding the others, possibly because it was a slick corner, who knows?knedlicky wrote:Missed most of the beginning of the TT, so what’s this about?frenchfighter wrote:
If the Blanco's hadnt crashed neither would he have.Pross wrote:
No one took him out, he fell off the exact same way the leading Blanco did.frenchfighter wrote:Great ride by Scarponi. Shame he lost all that time after the Blancos took him out.
I did wonder when I came in and started to follow the TT, and at the same time read the thread, whether something had happened in the TT.
I remember the incident - I think Scarponi went down independent of the Blancos.0 -
He can try both, nothing to loose, if on a hard day Astana struggle to control a stage, their train will be vulnerable to attack, then wiggo can sit in nd ride his tempo then just accelerate a bit to stretch out, he did this in Vuelta before, ws on a couple of windy climbs he did best. They still have t be vigilaant though as there are a few riders still in with a shout, two minutes is easily lost on a stage.Above The Cows wrote:oldwelshman wrote:
Sky do not have to ride as a train now, defensively or offensively. They can let Haeno go if Evans or others go, even try himself. Wiggo can just sit on the Astana train then and attack later. He has dropped Nibo on climbs before, and he has dropped Evans before. He is not the "bad" climber people make out.Above The Cows wrote:ALIHISGREAT wrote:Above The Cows wrote:DeadCalm wrote:With Henao and Uran decently placed, Sky would seem to be in a good position to put Nibali under a fair amount of pressure. It'll be interesting to see if they take the opportunity to attack him or whether they'll hope to take the time on the final time trial.
Surely they'll have to attack him or at least hope to drop him on a climb, I'm not sure how much time Wiggins can make up over 20km.
They're going to ruin the astana train, then Wiggo will diesel through for the time bonuses?
Honestly I have no idea, Wiggins has to ride away from Nibali and the rest of Astana either with a train or alone. All Nibali has to do is stay with Wiggins and Evans and well...
It might not require totally different riding from Sky but the train will have to be an offensive train rather than a defensive one. Or maybe Wiggins has become this amazing climber and he is going to blow them all away up the Galibier, who knows?
Will be edge of the seat stuff anyway and at least people are hopefully not going to moan about things being boring.
No I don't think he is the bad climber that people make out either and Nibali is not a Contador or a Froome. But as far as trains go, I worry about Wiggins when he's on his own, he seems to like the company of his team mates. He certainly needs to stop malingering about on his own. It is whether or not Wiggins can attack that I am wondering. He can sit on the Astana train as you suggest but he is going to need to attack at some point and his riding up until this point suggests that he is better at an incremental increase in pace than a sudden burst, having a train with him to help him pace this would surely help no?0 -
knedlicky wrote:
To the above, add Gesink at 7-15 and Hesjedal at 7-30.gpreeves wrote:
They're pretty much match what I worked out. Scarponi's final climb is notable though - only a second slower than Nibali in 7'04Art Vandelay wrote:Quick calculations so these may be totally wrong. Selected times on the final climb from the penultimate time check:
Alex Dowsett 7’49
Bradley Wiggins 7’00
Tanel Kangert 7’21
Vincenzo Nibali 7’03
Stef Clement 7’22
Luke Durbridge 7’37
Cadel Evans 6’55
Sergio Luis Henao 7’15
Evans and Wiggins finishing strong.
Also Keldermann’s performance is worth a note, 7-20 on the climb, only 1-57 down on Dowsett at the end. Think he's now taken the white jersey.
I think it shows more that Dowsett lost time to the others on the climb rather than Wiggins climbed well. Wiggins pulled time back on Nibs on the flatter, less technical section as you would expect. Basically everyone thought a long TT would give Wiggins a good chance but no-one seemed to realise it was so technical early on which ultimately levelled the playing field.0 -
According to the BBC, Nibali seems to have the Giro win wrapped up...
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Some thoughts from Wiggins:
“I think there was some initial disappointment because I wanted to win the stage. It’s been a challenging few days with the crash yesterday and then to come back up. It wasn’t an easy course. I’ve said all along that it wasn’t one of those ones where you could take three or four minutes out of people because it was so technical at the start.
"Then obviously to have a puncture and have to change bikes and disrupt the rhythm is never going to help. But then the second part of the course was really suited to me and I took back a lot of time on people there. It is what it is and it’s put us right back up there now. It’s going to be a hell of a race for the next two weeks."
“I think I rode it pretty well, I was a bit ruffled after the bike change and didn’t get the best out of myself on that technical part of the course. It was a bit damp still as well so I was a bit cautious – especially after crashing yesterday. But from Pesaro onwards I really got into my stride and I think physically I was as good as I’ve ever been. But it is the way it is. We’ll deal with it now, but I’m pleased at the same for Alex Dowsett. It’s a brilliant start to his Grand Tour career."
“There are two weeks to go. The last week’s going to be very difficult and the time gaps are relatively small still. A minute and 16 to Nibali still with all the problems yesterday isn't that bad it’s all to play for. It’s not easy to defend a Grand Tour lead so it’s not a bad position to be in.
"We’re still here and we’ve got three guys in the top 10 now. We’ve got a few cards to play.”0 -
Credit to Nibali for that ride. Even if Wiggins had taken the descents at full speed he wouldn't have made 3 minutes on Nibali so he's definitely made a step forward with his TT'ing.
It sets up the race brilliantly in my opinion. Hesjedal definitely out of it now. Nibali is the big favourite but protecting the maglia rosa for two weeks, the big majority of which is uphill, is going to be hard.0 -
I'll allow myself a small, smug pat on the back for my left-field GC PTP pick, Kiserlovski
Only 5'21'' down on the stage
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Strava is not Zen.0 -
Wiggins will have something to be pleased about tonight.
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