Giro Stage 8 ITT - Spoiler thread

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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    afx237vi wrote:
    Gesink flying under the radar so far...

    Surprising, since he usually flies straight into everything. :wink:

    Great result for Alex. Wiggins salvages some hope from the second half.
    Bad result for the race, to have Nibali leading before the mountains.
    The man guaranteed to animate things, may now have to race with more conservatism.
    I can't see Sky coming up with a cunning plan.
    So, who will light it up early? Don't ask Evans.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,651
    ALIHISGREAT wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    So Wiggins blew the final climb of the TT away.

    makes the uphill TT (21km) on stage 18 interesting...

    What are the times vs. everyone else?

    Not analysed it properly, but he pulled back nearly a minute on Dowsetts time there. Would like to see how Evans and NIbali climbed it though.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    RonB wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    If you're going to have a long TT.....that's the way to do it.

    +1. Wiggins will be hoping for a quiet & dry day tomorrow surrounded by the team; then has Monday to recover before L'altopiano del Montasio on Tuesday.

    I'd expect someone to make it hard tomorrow.

    If you're up there overall, and feel ok after today, it would be worth making it tough.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Art Vandelay wrote:
    Art Vandelay wrote:
    Where would Henao be in GC if he didn't wait for Wiggins yesterday?

    Answering my own question - 3rd I think

    Yeah +35s
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  • Abdoujaparov
    Abdoujaparov Posts: 642
    Wahey! Dowsett went to my old school and that might make him our greatest ever sportsman! Dead chuffed for him.
  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    Race looking interesting, out of top 5 I think.
    1' is not a lot to make up or to be lost. Look at Ryder and pink jersey today.
    Remember Wiggo couple of years ago in Vuelta riding clombers off his wheel with Froome.
    They still have Uran and Haeno who look really strong to help.
    Scarponi will attack for sure, also Ryder, Evans also so it won't be easy for Astana to control.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    375W average for Dowsett.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    @L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.

    Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    DeadCalm wrote:
    With Henao and Uran decently placed, Sky would seem to be in a good position to put Nibali under a fair amount of pressure. It'll be interesting to see if they take the opportunity to attack him or whether they'll hope to take the time on the final time trial.

    Surely they'll have to attack him or at least hope to drop him on a climb, I'm not sure how much time Wiggins can make up over 20km.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • garyhoop1
    garyhoop1 Posts: 44
    Video from the giro so far including todays stage - http://giro.ilovecycling.net
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    frenchfighter wrote:
    @L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.

    Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.

    I shouldn't rise to this Frenchie, but 1000x better at what? Talking nonsense on the twatters, being a DS, being a pro-cyclist, what?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    What is Phinney's excuse?
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    What is Phinney's excuse?

    Allergies and virus
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Hearing Wiggins is not 100% No matter what, he won't win the Giro backing off as much as he seems to be doing. Real shame that Henao lost that time yesterday:
    teamskypescara2.jpg
  • Squaggles
    Squaggles Posts: 875
    frenchfighter wrote:
    @L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.

    Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.

    :roll:
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  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    Above The Cows wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    With Henao and Uran decently placed, Sky would seem to be in a good position to put Nibali under a fair amount of pressure. It'll be interesting to see if they take the opportunity to attack him or whether they'll hope to take the time on the final time trial.

    Surely they'll have to attack him or at least hope to drop him on a climb, I'm not sure how much time Wiggins can make up over 20km.


    They're going to ruin the astana train, then Wiggo will diesel through for the time bonuses?
  • Lightning
    Lightning Posts: 360
    Great win by Dowsett, even if Wiggins would have taken it if he didn't swap bikes. That last part was so steep even Pozzovivo managed to limit his losses somewhat.

    Amazing ride by Nibali. Hope he keeps it up the following weeks and doesn't ride defensively. Also hope Wiggins got some motivation to attack in the mountains since he managed to recover so much time on the last uphill. Would have liked to see Henao going for it (without his time losses from coming back for Wiggins) though.

    Evans, Scarponi and Gesink looking good too so this should be interesting.
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Anyone know what the split times on the final climb were?
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Times at the foot of the final climb. Apologies for the formatting: -

    1 A. Dowsett Movistar 1:08:38
    2 T. Kangert Astana +42
    3 L. Durbridge Orica +47
    4 S. Clement Blanco +59
    5 B. Wiggins Team Sky +59
    6 V. Nibali Astana +1:07
    7 M. Boaro Saxo - Tinkoff +1:12
    8 Ser. Henao Team Sky +1:27
    9 C. Evans BMC Racing +1:33
    10 P. Gretsch Argos +1:34
    11 M. Scarponi Lampre +1:38
    12 R. Gesink Blanco +1:58
    13 R. Urán Team Sky +1:59
    14 J. Sergent RadioShack +2:17
    15 W. Kelderman Blanco +2:28
    16 N. Oliveira RadioShack +2:30
    17 J.J. Cobo Movistar +2:44
    18 R. Hesjedal Garmin +2:44
    19 J. Vermote Omega Ph.-Q-Step +2:52
    20 J.M. Gárate Blanco +2:52
    21 M. Tjallingii Blanco +2:57
    22 S. Tuft Orica +3:18
    23 T. Ludvigsson Argos +3:19
    24 V. Gusev Katyusha +3:21
    25 H. Roulston RadioShack +3:27
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    edited May 2013
    Well! Even TT-phobes seem to have enjoyed that.

    Alex D - absolutely made up for him. Guess he knows how to handle his career with the move to Movistar, a little better than some internet peeps after all :wink:

    Nibali - much respect for that performace today

    Cuddles - solid

    Hesjesal - no idea what happened there

    Gesink - decent

    Wiggins - much disappointment, bad first sector with the puncture. I've decided that this is all payback for his big 2012. But seriously, karma, give the fella a break for the rest of the race, will you. However, he's up to 4th with just a sec off Gesink, and in the game - but only as long as last week wasnt representative of how he's going to ride the rest of the race. On the plus side he hammered that final, most difficult sector, which is a promising glimmer.


    And JV getting himself in a pickle on Twatter tops it all off...
  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    edited May 2013
    Art Vandelay wrote:
    Hearing Wiggins is not 100% No matter what, he won't win the Giro backing off as much as he seems to be doing. Real shame that Henao lost that time yesterday:
    teamskypescara2.jpg
    If Wiggo was not at or very near to 100% then they would not have pulled riders back yesterday.
    He is not far off as today he would have won by 40 secs had it not been for bike change and nervous cornerring.
    Then the thimes (Nibali aprat) would have been closer to expected.
    The three of them (Uran, Wiggo and Haeno) still can make a race of this, we will see how good Astana are now for sure.
    I would not attack them until the mountains, make Astana stew for a few days controling attacks.
    If Astana gamble and not control all attacks could see non fancied rider make a big gain and sneak up from no where :D
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Above The Cows wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    @L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.

    Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.

    I shouldn't rise to this Frenchie, but 1000x better at what? Talking nonsense on the twatters, being a DS, being a pro-cyclist, what?


    Being a former doper for sure...
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    @L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.

    Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.

    I shouldn't rise to this Frenchie, but 1000x better at what? Talking nonsense on the twatters, being a DS, being a pro-cyclist, what?


    Being a former doper for sure...

    :D

    Having sideburns and questionable dress sense?
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Stage 8 Results
    GBR 1 DOWSETT, Alex (MOVISTAR TEAM) 1:16:27
    GBR 2 WIGGINS, Bradley (SKY PROCYCLING) + 10
    EST 3 KANGERT, Tanel (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 14
    ITA 4 NIBALI, Vincenzo (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 21
    NED 5 CLEMENT, Stef (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 32
    AUS 6 DURBRIDGE, Luke (ORICA GREENEDGE) + 35
    AUS 7 EVANS, Cadel (BMC RACING) + 39
    ITA 8 BOARO, Manuele (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 45
    COL 9 HENAO MONTOYA, Sergio Luis (SKY PROCYCLING) + 53
    ITA 10 SCARPONI, Michele (LAMPRE-MERIDA)
    NED 11 GESINK, Robert (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 1:22
    COL 12 URAN URAN, Rigoberto (SKY PROCYCLING) + 1:48
    GER 13 GRETSCH, Patrick (ARGOS-SHIMANO)
    NED 14 KELDERMAN, Wilco (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 1:57
    NZL 15 SERGENT, Jesse (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) + 2:00
    POL 16 NIEMIEC, Przemyslaw (LAMPRE-MERIDA) + 2:13
    POR 17 SANTOS SIMOES OLIVEIRA, Nelson Filipe (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) + 2:17
    CAN 18 HESJEDAL, Ryder (GARMIN SHARP) + 2:23
    ESP 19 GARATE, Juan Manuel (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 2:28
    ITA 20 POZZOVIVO, Domenico (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 2:34
    SWE 21 KESSIAKOFF, Fredrik Carl Wilhelm (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 2:38
    ESP 22 COBO ACEBO, Juan Jose (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 2:40
    ITA 23 ARU, Fabio (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 2:44
    NED 24 WEENING, Pieter (ORICA GREENEDGE) + 2:47
    ITA 25 SANTAMBROGIO, Mauro (VINI FANTINI - SELLE ITALIA) + 2:56
    BEL 26 VERMOTE, Julien (OMEGA PHARMA - QUICK-STEP) + 2:59
    ESP 27 MARTINEZ DE ESTEBAN, Egoi (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 3:03
    NED 28 TJALLINGII, Maarten (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 3:09
    ESP 29 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ, Samuel (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 3:17
    ITA 30 CATALDO, Dario (SKY PROCYCLING) + 3:24
    POL 31 MAJKA, Rafal (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 3:27
    NZL 32 ROULSTON, Hayden (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) + 3:29
    SWE 33 LUDVIGSSON, Tobias (ARGOS-SHIMANO) + 3:34
    CAN 34 TUFT, Svein (ORICA GREENEDGE) + 3:40
    RUS 35 GUSEV, Vladimir (KATUSHA) + 3:44
    NED 36 BELLEMAKERS, Dirk (LOTTO BELISOL) + 3:46
    ITA 37 RABOTTINI, Matteo (VINI FANTINI - SELLE ITALIA) + 3:56
    AUS 38 LANCASTER, Brett (ORICA GREENEDGE)
    AUS 39 SUTHERLAND, Rory (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 3:57
    COL 40 SERPA PEREZ, Jose Rodolfo (LAMPRE-MERIDA) + 4:01
    ESP 41 INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA, Benat (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 4:02
    BEL 42 DE GREEF, Francis (LOTTO BELISOL) + 4:05
    USA 43 DANIELSON, Thomas (GARMIN SHARP)
    RUS 44 PETROV, Evgeny (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 4:06
    FRA 45 ROUX, Anthony (FDJ) + 4:14
    ITA 46 PELLIZOTTI, Franco (ANDRONI GIOCATTOLI) + 4:18
    POR 47 MACHADO, Tiago (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) + 4:22
    ESP 48 VALLS FERRI, Rafael (VACANSOLEIL-DCM) + 4:24
    ITA 49 MARANGONI, Alan (CANNONDALE PRO CYCLING)
    ITA 50 GARZELLI, Stefano (VINI FANTINI - SELLE ITALIA) + 4:27

    General Classification after Stage 8
    ITA 1 NIBALI, Vincenzo (ASTANA PRO TEAM) 29:46:57
    AUS 2 EVANS, Cadel (BMC RACING) + 29
    NED 3 GESINK, Robert (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 1:15
    GBR 4 WIGGINS, Bradley (SKY PROCYCLING) + 1:16
    ITA 5 SCARPONI, Michele (LAMPRE-MERIDA) + 1:24
    CAN 6 HESJEDAL, Ryder (GARMIN SHARP) + 2:05
    COL 7 HENAO MONTOYA, Sergio Luis (SKY PROCYCLING) + 2:11
    ITA 8 SANTAMBROGIO, Mauro (VINI FANTINI - SELLE ITALIA) + 2:43
    POL 9 NIEMIEC, Przemyslaw (LAMPRE-MERIDA) + 2:44
    COL 10 URAN URAN, Rigoberto (SKY PROCYCLING) + 2:49
    NED 11 WEENING, Pieter (ORICA GREENEDGE) + 2:50
    EST 12 KANGERT, Tanel (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 3:02
    NED 13 KELDERMAN, Wilco (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 3:26
    ESP 14 INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA, Benat (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 3:36
    ESP 15 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ, Samuel (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 3:43
    ITA 16 POZZOVIVO, Domenico (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 4:05
    POL 17 MAJKA, Rafal (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 4:09
    ITA 18 ARU, Fabio (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 4:31
    USA 19 DANIELSON, Thomas (GARMIN SHARP) + 4:37
    ITA 20 SANTAROMITA, Ivan (BMC RACING) + 4:50
    ESP 21 VALLS FERRI, Rafael (VACANSOLEIL-DCM) + 4:57
    ITA 22 PELLIZOTTI, Franco (ANDRONI GIOCATTOLI) + 5:03
    NED 23 KRUIJSWIJK, Steven (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 5:09
    RUS 24 TROFIMOV, Yury (KATUSHA) + 5:17
    CRO 25 KISERLOVSKI, Robert (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) + 5:29
    COL 26 SERPA PEREZ, Jose Rodolfo (LAMPRE-MERIDA) + 5:41
    ESP 27 GARATE, Juan Manuel (BLANCO PRO CYCLING) + 5:42
    COL 28 BETANCUR GOMEZ, Carlos Alberto (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 6:08
    POL 29 GOLAS, Michal (OMEGA PHARMA - QUICK-STEP) + 6:22
    ITA 30 CARUSO, Giampaolo (KATUSHA) + 6:36

    Full race:
    http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/rai ... 9d&yr=2013
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  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    @L_ArmiTstead More drivel than usual from @Vaughters today #unfollow #badlooser.

    Hmm. First JV is 1000x better than she is. Second she needs to learn how to spell.

    I shouldn't rise to this Frenchie, but 1000x better at what? Talking nonsense on the twatters, being a DS, being a pro-cyclist, what?


    Being a former doper for sure...
    :D Well FF is an admirer of dopers, Bertie, Pantani, JV :wink:
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Having sideburns and questionable dress sense?
    His trousers can talk?
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    EKIMIKE wrote:
    To be fair Quigley has been touting him as a 'TT strong man' all week. It's been annoying me and that's what i'm really getting at.


    Quigley also described Alex Dowsett as a specialist climber today :roll:
  • cyclingsheep
    cyclingsheep Posts: 640
    It opens a lot of options for Sky, try and get Henao or Uran into every break just to put the willies into Astana
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    ALIHISGREAT wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    With Henao and Uran decently placed, Sky would seem to be in a good position to put Nibali under a fair amount of pressure. It'll be interesting to see if they take the opportunity to attack him or whether they'll hope to take the time on the final time trial.

    Surely they'll have to attack him or at least hope to drop him on a climb, I'm not sure how much time Wiggins can make up over 20km.


    They're going to ruin the astana train, then Wiggo will diesel through for the time bonuses?

    Honestly I have no idea, Wiggins has to ride away from Nibali and the rest of Astana either with a train or alone. All Nibali has to do is stay with Wiggins and Evans and well...

    It might not require totally different riding from Sky but the train will have to be an offensive train rather than a defensive one. Or maybe Wiggins has become this amazing climber and he is going to blow them all away up the Galibier, who knows?

    Will be edge of the seat stuff anyway and at least people are hopefully not going to moan about things being boring.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Aru only 2.44 down. Big talent.
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