The Giro'd'italia 2013 thread

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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    TheStone wrote:
    I'll get home just as they're finishing today. Would love to be able to watch last 90 mins without having to see any live action first.
    Go onto the correct channel even if is the wrong programme, grab the progress bar at the bottom and drag it back. 8)
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,048
    The rewind does seem to work, however I was very disappointed that there is no highlights package to watch from the previous day, and when I have looked the highlights always seem to be on at about 10:30/11:00PM, as opposed to a more convenient 7 or 8pm slot :?

    On a quality level I was very impressed with the feed though, I have to say, £5 well spent.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    So is Wiggins out then? Or will he go on the attack and try to claw back the lost time?
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  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    He's down but not out. Hasn't seemed right all week though - more Le Tour 2010 than Le Tour 2012. Tomorrow is his BIG chance to stake a claim for the win, but I fear he might use his injuries from today's crash as justification for holding back. He needs to harness his inner chimp big style.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    His head wasn't in it as soon as he was talking about the Tour.

    Nibs falls off and gets straight back on it and chases back.

    Wiggins falls off and doesn't really make much of an effort afterwards.
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  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    His head wasn't in it as soon as he was talking about the Tour.

    Nibs falls off and gets straight back on it and chases back.

    Wiggins falls off and doesn't really make much of an effort afterwards.

    That was an Epic stage.

    Wiggins head just doesn't seem to be in it, Not sure what skys tactics are either - surely leave Uran up the road (good descender, good plan B) and let Heaneo pull Wiggins after the crash, but then Wiggins is soft pedaling anyway!

    Nibili didn't need to chase back - he was off the front when he crashed, so just joined up with those that came past him

    Regardless of tomorrows TT, i dont think wiggos head and heart are really in it.

    Great win for Hansen though, i do like it when proper gregarios win a stage.
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  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    Eurosport commentators are doing my head in.

    Are they actually watching the screen? At the start of Maxim Belkov's epic solo breakaway they're blathering on about gilets and raintops and.will.not.stop. I'm actually shouting at the TV that's he's gone past (you could clearly see the trailing two BEHIND him) and then when they bother to check they thinks he's playing catch up. It's only when the broadcasters show him as the leader that they are stunned to realise he's in front. :?

    It wasn't the only occasion either: Wiggo's return to the peloton finally completes (the gap is being shown as the same) and they're STILL going on about him trailing behind and is in trouble...

    Then there were the multiple escapes from the front of the chasing group they kept missing... God it was hard work.

    and their complaints about lack of time checks? All you had to do was look at the scenery - you could see that he was holding a fair gap just by watching when each group went past something noticeable. Like a town.
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  • kelsen
    kelsen Posts: 2,003
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    Eurosport commentators are doing my head in.

    Are they actually watching the screen? At the start of Maxim Belkov's epic solo breakaway they're blathering on about gilets and raintops and.will.not.stop. I'm actually shouting at the TV that's he's gone past (you could clearly see the trailing two BEHIND him) and then when they bother to check they thinks he's playing catch up. It's only when the broadcasters show him as the leader that they are stunned to realise he's in front. :?

    It wasn't the only occasion either: Wiggo's return to the peloton finally completes (the gap is being shown as the same) and they're STILL going on about him trailing behind and is in trouble...

    Then there were the multiple escapes from the front of the chasing group they kept missing... God it was hard work.

    and their complaints about lack of time checks? All you had to do was look at the scenery - you could see that he was holding a fair gap just by watching when each group went past something noticeable. Like a town.
    Maybe there's a time delay between the commentary and the pictures you're watching?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    No. He's right. They're awful.
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  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    No. He's right. They're awful.

    Where the hell is David Harmon? and who the hell is Declan Quiqley!
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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    rubertoe wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    No. He's right. They're awful.

    Where the hell is David Harmon? and who the hell is Declan Quiqley!
    Harmon on holiday. Quigley is a motorsport reporter covering for him. Well, that makes sense. :?
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    daviesee wrote:
    rubertoe wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    No. He's right. They're awful.

    Where the hell is David Harmon? and who the hell is Declan Quiqley!
    Harmon on holiday. Quigley is a motorsport reporter covering for him. Well, that makes sense. :?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Quigley

    Speaking of cycling commentators, I saw Gary Imlach yesterday.
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  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    kelsen wrote:
    Maybe there's a time delay between the commentary and the pictures you're watching?

    I did kind of wonder myself but realised that this could not be the case as they reacted the instant the banner heading for "Race Leader" came up on the screen.

    It genuinely got to the point that I was ignoring their non-directional and irrelevant waffle and worked things out for myself.

    I'm still wondering if that French bloke who came in 2nd thought he'd won the stage?
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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    I'm still wondering if that French bloke who came in 2nd thought he'd won the stage?
    Columbian, but yes, probably. :twisted:
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  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    daviesee wrote:
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    I'm still wondering if that French bloke who came in 2nd thought he'd won the stage?
    Columbian, but yes, probably. :twisted:

    Oh yeah.. sorry :lol:

    Could you imagine the conversation?
    "Why are there no crowds??" "Why am I not being escorted??"
    "You came second"
    "but I beat..."
    "He came third"
    "Shiiiit."
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  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    I'm still wondering if that French bloke who came in 2nd thought he'd won the stage?
    Columbian, but yes, probably. :twisted:

    Oh yeah.. sorry :lol:

    Could you imagine the conversation?
    "Why are there no crowds??" "Why am I not being escorted??"
    "You came second"
    "but I beat..."
    "He came third"
    "Shiiiit."

    2nd time that has happened this year if i recall correctly - happened in the Roma Maxima...

    Who was the lampre rider, who looked more italian than Mario (and Luigi for that matter) who kept appearing on the front yesterday?
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  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    Whats the prediction for today?

    I'm going for an Italian or a Columbian (half the peloton - bet I am wrong!)

    Pirazzi maybe. Or Darwin Attapuma, just cos i like the name.
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  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    We should know a lot more by the end of today.

    I've had a bet on Henao on the grounds that Sky might give him a free role.
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  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    TheStone wrote:
    We should know a lot more by the end of today.

    I've had a bet on Henao on the grounds that Sky might give him a free role.

    See, Columbian
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  • DonDaddyD
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    It is over for Wiggins isn't it? Mathematically it isn't, but deep down, it is over isn't it?

    Why? I just can't see him going after Nibali with an explosive turn up the mountains. If this was Contador, Schleck - even Cadel I'd be bouncing on my seat all excited knowing that something going to go pop and we'll see one almighty attack or a succession of small ones designed to chip away at the other guys resolve.

    That's my great frustration with Wiggins, he can keep pace with the best and out pace many more but when it comes to straight up combat - with short swift attacks designed to crack your opponent or a major one designed to bury all who stand before him - he just doesn't seem to have it in him.

    This is why I'm a Froome man, at least he looks lively and like he is prepared to mix it up, get wet and dirty.

    Wiggins is a great defensive rider, but defending doesn't always win you the race.
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  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    It is over for Wiggins isn't it? Mathematically it isn't, but deep down, it is over isn't it?

    Why? I just can't see him going after Nibali with an explosive turn up the mountains. If this was Contador, Schleck - even Cadel I'd be bouncing on my seat all excited knowing that something going to go pop and we'll see one almighty attack or a succession of small ones designed to chip away at the other guys resolve.

    That's my great frustration with Wiggins, he can keep pace with the best and out pace many more but when it comes to straight up combat - with short swift attacks designed to crack your opponent or a major one designed to bury all who stand before him - he just doesn't seem to have it in him.

    This is why I'm a Froome man, at least he looks lively and like he is prepared to mix it up, get wet and dirty.

    Wiggins is a great defensive rider, but defending doesn't always win you the race.

    Have you seen Wiggins race this year? Catulunya? He attacked and dropped everyone (admitidly he was caught again).

    But I dont even think that it is going up hill that will be the problem, if it rains and its the giro, so there will be rain then he will get dropped on the decents! The only chance that Sky as a team have any chance is to let one of the columbians go feral and wear out nibili and co trying to chace them down leaving Wiggins to diesel past them.
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  • TheStone
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    DonDaddyD wrote:
    It is over for Wiggins isn't it? Mathematically it isn't, but deep down, it is over isn't it?

    It's not over, but odds have gone from 6/4 to about 10/1 in the first week, so it's not gone well.
    Need to stick with Nibs today.
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  • jonginge
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    We'll see. Basso dieseled his way to the win in 2010 against the same protagonists (although Nibali was a teammate at the time)
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    edited May 2013
    Is 'to diesel'/ 'dieseled' (past tense) a new term?

    Where did it come from, I remember in one Tour of France the commentator described Sastre as being like a diesel engine.
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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    One thing is for sure - On at least one (probably a lot more) mountain top in the next two weeks Brad will have to be well in front of Nibali as he is going to go on major attacks during the descents.
    The Giro may well have gone with Brad's bottle.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    There's so much racing to go.

    Today will shake the tree a fair bit.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Also, different riders react differently to rest days, so bare that in mind.
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  • rubertoe
    rubertoe Posts: 3,994
    Also Maglia Rosa can weigh heavy for 2 weeks of racing, can see Nibali wanting to give it away.

    I like the description of Wiggins as a diesel, it sums him up well I think.
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  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Is 'to diesel'/ 'dieseled' (past tense) a new term?

    Where did it come from, I remember in one Tour of France the commentator described Sastre as being like a diesel engine.
    It's all relative. Sastre was only really a diesel when compared to the juiced-up, super-cyclists of the late nineties, early noughties.
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  • t4tomo
    t4tomo Posts: 2,643
    Stannard was referred as a having a diesel engine in the olympic road race.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with Wiggins on the uphills - didn't he and froome drop Nibali a couple of time on the Tour? However, he is descending like a girl when it rains at the moment.

    His best hope is possibly trying to crack Nibali on a mountain top finish
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