Sky and David Walsh

ddraver

Boom!

Anyway there a multiple rider interviews where they state that Sky's approach is far more detailed than any other team they ve ridden for. JV comments regularly that he would love to be able to do the things that Sky do, but that he simply cannot afford to do so. As a totally unscientific,. but fun aside contrast the immensely detailed lecture that the Sky riders get before their training rides in one of the Sky Docs with the doc on Andy Schleck where the Leopard guy sort of says, "umm yeah, well you like go hard for this bit and then back off for a bit, not too much, but not too little either, then you go hard again and then....erm...like soft again"

If this is the level of training expertise it takes to get a guy to podium in every GT he's raced to win in, then no wonder Sky blew it out of the water!

You re choosing not to see it Micron because it rains on your parade...

frenchfighter

Micron, I'm surprised you deign to interact with RR. I tried it but it is a useless enterprise.

Keep posting the good stuff, looks like you have these guys on the ropes.

Richmond Racer wrote:

No, I think not. I have no interest in having little sidebar conversations with you. You want to say something, you can post it here so that everyone can read it. You've elected to start posting here for 'debate' - though nothing that any of us saying is received by you in any way that indicates that you find anything that we post that provides alternative answers for the way in which you want to join the dots.

Quite frankly I despise the way you operate. A highlight was certainly your outrage a couple of days ago when I referred to you being called out by Brailsford, your outrage that an anonymous poster had referred to this and then 'refused' to provide the evidence. So WHAT do you think you and your merry little gang have been doing for many many months re Wiggins and Sky? You just got a tiny tiny taste of that and boy you didnt like it did you? Didnt taste good, did it?

A response to this can be surmised as: 'you have a lot to learn about the World'.

You have come onto this established forum recently with all guns blazing and you have provided very little apart from banter and agreement between your cronies.

And for the other's responses: basically you would be upset to not know what they would be discussing. Gossip mongers.

“Nothing is more dangerous than a friend without discretion; even a prudent enemy is preferable.”

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Micron, I would be wary about sending PMs to people if you would prefer they do not share it with others. Some of them get shirty and give themselves an ego boost by posting the PM straight onto the forum. Eg/. Ddraver and another I wont name (as he has been banned) spring to mind.

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yorkshireraw

Micron / Festinagirl / whatever.... it must be incredibly exhausting to spend all this energy on looking for every potential co-incidental scrap of info to inform your clearly already made up mind that Wiggins, despite all his clear statements, general demeanour, numbers / tour winning speed (2 km/h lower than the Armstrong yrs, as was Evans - so 2 x 86 hrs = 170kms behind! (i know it doesnt equate as directly but it's more indicative than half the gash you come up with).
You're trying to equate Sky with USPS and Wiggins with Armstrong - if that was the case you'd have had multiple Lawyer's letters by now, but clearly you havent. Because Wiggins probably see's you and your ilk as exactly how he described during his tour press conference last yr - i.e. sat at a PC, fuming away, without actually doing anything constructive. Added to that he knows in his own mind if he's ever going to have anything to worry about - his demeanor and behaviour, as well as what he says about talking to his kids, suggest he doesn't.

Returning to my first point - for all the energy and time you put into the doping in cycling debate (pursuit...), you never seem to show much interest in the actual racing side of the sport! We've just had a Brit guy showing his form AGAIN as the very best in the world (Cavendish - you may have heard of him...) at what he does, possibly one of the best sportsman we've ever had in a mass-participation sport, yet you never seem to show any interest in that.

The 'sport of professional bicycle racing' ;-) is fantastic to watch and provides great drama, excitement, highs, lows etc - you really should check it out and enjoy it for what it is. OF COURSE we shouldnt tolerate cheating, and this sport clearly has a lot to sort out. But mouthing off on twitter from your kitchen table is 1) pointless and 2) self-indulgent. You don't (AFAIK) work for UKAD, USADA, UCI, WADA etc so i hate to break it to you, but repeated chippy comments from the side are going to have actually no imapct. Yes, as fans of the sport (please confirm you are one?!) we should make our views known, but let's not kid ourselves that we are actually going to be able to do anything about it directly - although supporting the most vocal anti-doping team (who've made a few understandable c0ck-ups) might be a start, rather than looking for something - that to any reasonable person assessing the evidence - simply isn't there.

I'm no doping apologist - a good friend of mine was possibly robbed of an Olympic medal in an endurance event by other's doping (came 4th) - he says he'd rather not know TBH, as it would cut him up if it turned out, having trained all his life for it, that he was robbed of that podium moment. He is however still a big fan of that sport and involved in it, despite it's own problems. Because there's another side to sport which makes the pain of all the issues, whilst not worthwhile, certainly more tolerable. Without actually liking the action, what's the point of all the hand-wringing and conspiracy theories?

Richmond Racer

TailWindHome wrote:

Micron

Have you separated the success of British Cycling on the track from Sky on the road?

Do you believe British track success to be also suspicious?

Let's not just leave it at track. Lets add paracycling to that question - after all, GB are also the leading paracycling nation, 4 golds alone for Storey last Sep.

Richmond Racer

YorkshireRaw: your post...wow...

feltkuota

Yorkshire Raw, excellent use of the word Gash. Haven't heard that one for a long while.

ddraver

ohhh Frenchie needs a hug this week does nt he....

The rest of us are happy to have you by the way RR, and happy to have Micron as well. If Frenchie thinks he can abuse people by DM as he did me and expect people not to react then I'd suggest he needs to experience some of the real world too...Man up!

ddraver

YorkshireRaw wrote:

Nuclear Explosion

Hole Lee Shugar!!

Richmond Racer

Local reports say that a chimp's just escaped from Whipsnade Zoo

ddraver

Ha! that took me a while :oops:

frenchfighter

YorkshireRaw,

You will be surprised at what Micron knows and watches about racing. You could use your same comments above about so many others on this forum. There are those that profess to love the sport but just come on this forum pretending they do but have ulterior motives. There are those that love the sport but don't ride a bike which is fine. There are much more appropriate targets for your ire.

There was a poll at some point about why people watch the TdF. The reasons weren't that straightforward. Many said 'doping' and many said 'scenery'.

You are also misinformed and have misinterpreted what micron has done already for the betterment of the sport. It's just that some people don't go and shout about it and some people understand about discretion.

frenchfighter

You two haven't come across someone like me before. I can see you struggling. It is interesting and informative to watch your responses. Quite a study on human psychology.

ddraver

Ho Wow, Move over Piers Morgan, we have a new True Champion at getting ones head up ones own arse....

feltkuota

frenchfighter wrote:

You two haven't come across someone like me before. I can see you struggling. It is interesting and informative to watch your responses. Quite a study on human psychology.

I agree you're "special"

yorkshireraw

RR - can't work out if that's meant to be a good or bad thing ref. the Chimp - guess it's a Steve Peters book ref?

Well I'd just had enough TBH. It's ridiculous some of the stuff that gets tweeted / posted as 'insight' / secret knowledge / ' I know stuff you don't' type rubbish. Having just enjoyed Cav's superb demonstration on a grainy internet feed from Qatar this just got my goat (Chimp?!) too much for once.

I'm sure my comments won't make a jot of difference and will probably gain my Chimp a new T-shirt with 'Fanboi' printed on it....

Richmond Racer

YorkshireRaw wrote:

RR - can't work out if that's meant to be a good or bad thing ref. the Chimp - guess it's a Steve Peters book ref?

Well I'd just had enough TBH. It's ridiculous some of the stuff that gets tweeted / posted as 'insight' / secret knowledge / ' I know stuff you don't' type rubbish. Having just enjoyed Cav's superb demonstration on a grainy internet feed from Qatar this just got my goat (Chimp?!) too much for once.

I'm sure my comments won't make a jot of difference and will probably gain my Chimp a new T-shirt with 'Fanboi' printed on it....

No, no, YorkshireRaw! Chimp ref in no way at all directed at you. I thought your post was incredibly strong and powerful, and had a hell of a lot of truth in it. Truly I thought it was great.

ddraver

YorkshireRaw wrote:

RR - can't work out if that's meant to be a good or bad thing ref. the Chimp - guess it's a Steve Peters book ref?

Well I'd just had enough TBH. It's ridiculous some of the stuff that gets tweeted / posted as 'insight' / secret knowledge / ' I know stuff you don't' type rubbish. Having just enjoyed Cav's superb demonstration on a grainy internet feed from Qatar this just got my goat (Chimp?!) too much for once.

I'm sure my comments won't make a jot of difference and will probably gain my Chimp a new T-shirt with 'Fanboi' printed on it....

Hah ha, you re really making my Friday afternoon less dull! You should post more (though after a thread like this I totally understand why you don't!)

yorkshireraw

frenchfighter wrote:

YorkshireRaw,

You will be surprised at what Micron knows and watches about racing. You could use your same comments above about so many others on this forum. There are those that profess to love the sport but just come on this forum pretending they do but have ulterior motives. There are those that love the sport but don't ride a bike which is fine. There are much more appropriate targets for your ire.

There was a poll at some point about why people watch the TdF. The reasons weren't that straightforward. Many said 'doping' and many said 'scenery'.

You are also misinformed and have misinterpreted what micron has done already for the betterment of the sport. It's just that some people don't go and shout about it and some people understand about discretion.

Ok...
1) Ref. racing - fine, but from what I've seen her put her name to, yes I would be surprised because I can't recall one positive comment ref. the sporting side. Happy for you to point me in that direction.
2) Agree there probably are more appropriate comments for my ire, I would suggest the same for Micron and her ilk, due to their sole focus on Wiggins and Sky. Hell, what about your best mate Alberto? Plenty of potential innuendos to made about his perfs. and connections.
3) Some people don't shout about it? Right..... given the volume of commentary Micron makes without any evidence about Sky, perhaps she could spend a few moments articulating what positive activity, (apart from attending CCN , the impact of which has been?....) has been made for the better of the sport. I'm sure many would really be pleased if this is the case as I (think) we all want the same thing - good clean sport.
How is someone insinuating all and sundry on Twitter without evidence, showing any discretion?

happy for Micron to prove me wrong on all the above but esp. about actually being interested in racing side of the sport that is happening right now in Qatar (well just finished), Majorca and France.

kfinlay

frenchfighter wrote:

You two haven't come across someone like me before. I can see you struggling. It is interesting and informative to watch your responses. Quite a study on human psychology.

You definitely seem to be a complex character; however, when it comes to childish hypocracy quite, you are truely in a class one your own

edit: took out 'quite'

You definitely seem to be a complex character; however, when it comes to childish hypocracy, you are truely in a class one your own

LeicesterLad

Wish I never started this thread. It's dragging on.

Richmond Racer

As the OP...want to close it?

iainf72

FF is a nice fellow in person. Sometimes sounds a bit unhinged here but don't pay no mind to that

yorkshireraw

Richmond Racer wrote:

No, no, YorkshireRaw! Chimp ref in no way at all directed at you. I thought your post was incredibly strong and powerful, and had a hell of a lot of truth in it. Truly I thought it was great.

No worries - although I think my inner Simian may well be running wild today, rather than applying the usual 'forget it, life's too short' filter.

It's a bit like the anti-hunting activists (not wanting to start a debate on the rights and wrongs of hunting BTW) - I get the issue and people are entitled to do what they want / think, but sometimes think the passion, time and energy could be re-directed in one of hundreds of different ways that will actually have a positive change, given many Foxes seem to end up killed on the roads anyway.
Micron et al could use all that energy in helping kids get into cycling, looking after junior teams, engaging in the far wider impacting current process on road provision for cyclists in the UK etc - what a positive effect that could have in the future - Micron you may well do all this also so chapeau if that is the case.

Richmond Racer

Well, me and my inner chimp are going to throw our legs over a bike and head out for a couple of hours. So adieu.

ddraver

iainf72 wrote:

FF is a nice fellow in person. Sometimes sounds a bit unhinged here but don't pay no mind to that

hmm, people keep saying that so I ve given him the benefit of the doubt but my patience is starting to run thin at the moment...

frenchfighter

YR.

If you don't follow Qatar it doesn't mean you don't like racing. I have watched only the last parts - would you like to accuse me of not liking racing.

Incidentally micron has been watching Qatar.

Anyway, just adding balance here. There isn't much debate if people are just going full out against micron who I would rather debate with about racing compared to many others on here. Micron was on here a few years ago and the debate was good and it had a ton of racing in it.

Re Mircon being accused of singular focus. It is better to focus on one thing and do it very well then try your had at many in an average manner. 'Jack of all trades, master of none' - am sure you have heard that one.

frenchfighter

ddraver wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

FF is a nice fellow in person. Sometimes sounds a bit unhinged here but don't pay no mind to that

hmm, people keep saying that so I ve given him the benefit of the doubt but my patience is starting to run thin at the moment...

I hope it runs out.

Turfle

Can't see the forest for the trees.

Equally trite.

frenchfighter

iainf72 wrote:

FF is a nice fellow in person. Sometimes sounds a bit unhinged here but don't pay no mind to that

Thanks Iain. Will quit this thread while I am ahead. Those banging on about Qatar should read your sig line.

tailwindhome

ddraver wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

FF is a nice fellow in person. Sometimes sounds a bit unhinged here but don't pay no mind to that

hmm, people keep saying that so I ve given him the benefit of the doubt but my patience is starting to run thin at the moment...

Sometimes you're the fisherman, sometimes you're the fish. With FF you can never be sure which you are.

Every forum needs one.