Seemingly trivial things that annoy you
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House prices make a big difference, too. My dad bought our 5 bed room house with 1 acre of gardens on his single, public sector salary and (with inheritence and military discount) put 4 kids through private schools. My wife and I, combined, earn triple that and we have a 3 bed city centre terrace and are sending ours to the local state school (which luckily isn't as bad as RC's!)0
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Pross said:
I was refering to SC's follow up comment. It seemed to imply that simply having your kid go to the same school you did feels like you haven't progressed at all.TheBigBean said:
If you liked the area and the school then, of course, there is nothing wrong with it; however, if you didn't like it and you are encumbered with emotional baggage associated with it, it seems odd to not pick somewhere new.Pross said:Both my daughters went to the same school as my wife. My one niece went to the same secondary school as my sister (and me and my other sisters) and both her kids went to the same primary school as us and where my mum worked and dad was a governor for years.
I thought it was quite commonplace. Are we in Rick’s world where if you haven’t moved to London you have no ambition?
I didn't share the same values as most people in the area that I grew up in, so have no desire to go back.
Living where I grew up would actually be progress on living where I do too. It was never affordable enough when I got on the housing ladder.
Exactly. My kids didn't go to the same school as me, but not far off. I couldn't afford the house I grew up in, but being able to live where I do is no bad thing. Moving almost anywhere else in the country would be a step down in terms of property price (other measures are available) But living in a nice part of a desirable suburb of one of the world's leading capital cities isn't a bad thing just because I grew up near here. That's a ridiculous concept.0 -
Has anyone mentioned the Hitler Youth yet?Pross said:
That sounds very Daily Mailrick_chasey said:The correlation is usually pretty strong. Though I’d call it parental neglect, not laziness
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Ditto.rjsterry said:
Normally a displacement activity rather than an expression of individuality.TheBigBean said:
Kids do have some input which I assume you have experienced. I'd say from about the age of 3. Possibly 2.rjsterry said:
At the risk of slipping into amateur analysis this explains a lot. In any case, wearing non-uniform clothes that your parents picked for you is hardly the definition of self expression.rick_chasey said:What?!?! You see no value in individuality? Holy moly. Life it too short even for me to spell that out on a forum.
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I just buy 2nd hand clothes out of the charity shops and when it gets too shabby, I ditch them,Jezyboy said:
Yep. I'd argue uniform can go a little way to help alleviate some of it, but is obviously miles away from solving it.pblakeney said:
Twas ever thus, and forever shall be.Jezyboy said:
Wondering how much is a flexpblakeney said:
My grandson wears £150 trainers to school. I doubt anyone in poverty can do that.TheBigBean said:There's no school uniform at my kid's primary school. I can't tell who is rich; however, it would be dangerous to infer too much from my views on clothing.
And yes, the kids do know.
and how much that price is just a sign of the extreme length of time since I were a youngun!
I do feel kids are likely to get picked on, on both sides of the visible wealth bell curve.
As someone who wore uniform growing up, I don't really consider it had any negative impact. Although maybe it's the reason I now refuse to wear the mechanical engineer uniform of variation on blue shirt and black trousers.
[I hate overalls]seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I had to move away to get experience and qualifications and then I came back.laurentian said:
What on earth has moving away got to do with "progression"?surrey_commuter said:
I could think of nothing worse. The missus has a mate whose kids went to the same school thatshe did, I would find that very depressing as it would feel like you had not progressed at all.TheBigBean said:
The mystery is that you returned. I'm not going back to where I grew up.rick_chasey said:Sure.
You see the same stuff, especially in the same town you grew up in.
Hell the local school has some of the highest levels of kids involved in social services and free school meals. Most of the conversations you hear at the school gate between teachers and parents are pretty worrying. Police involved, all sorts.
Without which, i'd be a benefits bum,seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Haha! Eroding individuality? Surely not. I loved that fact we wore uniforms as it meant I had a target to see how far I could push that boundary and still comply. I incorporated a sewing machine, zips and safety pins. My blazer was standard, my trousers were standard issue and my shoes were polished. However, I managed to get expelled on spurious grounds as they got so frustrated at me pushing the envelope too far. I mean, my hair didn't reach my collar at the back but it did go down to my tie at the front. It was also very, very black. Conformity was not my thing though 'my uniform' was me and correctly worn. I'm happy my kids wore uniforms to school. It makes it far quicker every morning. Heck, we all basically wear a uniform every day in the working world, whether it be your usual clothes that you only wear for work, or your office suit or provided work wear.pinno said:
In the same vein as FA - nope.rick_chasey said:
The idea uniform is a leveller is just naïve. Uniforms are all about eroding individuality. That's literally the point of them.
I'd say I now look far more conventional than I ever did, but my thinking certainly isn't and that's what's the important bit. Not how you look, but what you feel or believe. Uniforms at school can really help with socialising as kids are possibly less judgemental?
Dunno. It's a while since I was at school.Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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I think a simple practical dress code for schools is a good thing, and this is what a school uniform should be.
As for eroding individuality, I think its more of an opportunity for the youngsters to define themselves in other ways than by what they wear, before it becomes an obsession in their teen years. Which is annoying.0 -
You got expelled for uniform violations?!photonic69 said:
Haha! Eroding individuality? Surely not. I loved that fact we wore uniforms as it meant I had a target to see how far I could push that boundary and still comply. I incorporated a sewing machine, zips and safety pins. My blazer was standard, my trousers were standard issue and my shoes were polished. However, I managed to get expelled on spurious grounds as they got so frustrated at me pushing the envelope too far. I mean, my hair didn't reach my collar at the back but it did go down to my tie at the front. It was also very, very black. Conformity was not my thing though 'my uniform' was me and correctly worn. I'm happy my kids wore uniforms to school. It makes it far quicker every morning. Heck, we all basically wear a uniform every day in the working world, whether it be your usual clothes that you only wear for work, or your office suit or provided work wear.pinno said:
In the same vein as FA - nope.rick_chasey said:
The idea uniform is a leveller is just naïve. Uniforms are all about eroding individuality. That's literally the point of them.
I'd say I now look far more conventional than I ever did, but my thinking certainly isn't and that's what's the important bit. Not how you look, but what you feel or believe. Uniforms at school can really help with socialising as kids are possibly less judgemental?
Dunno. It's a while since I was at school.1 -
There is a bit of street cred in it.rick_chasey said:
You got expelled for uniform violations?!photonic69 said:
Haha! Eroding individuality? Surely not. I loved that fact we wore uniforms as it meant I had a target to see how far I could push that boundary and still comply. I incorporated a sewing machine, zips and safety pins. My blazer was standard, my trousers were standard issue and my shoes were polished. However, I managed to get expelled on spurious grounds as they got so frustrated at me pushing the envelope too far. I mean, my hair didn't reach my collar at the back but it did go down to my tie at the front. It was also very, very black. Conformity was not my thing though 'my uniform' was me and correctly worn. I'm happy my kids wore uniforms to school. It makes it far quicker every morning. Heck, we all basically wear a uniform every day in the working world, whether it be your usual clothes that you only wear for work, or your office suit or provided work wear.pinno said:
In the same vein as FA - nope.rick_chasey said:
The idea uniform is a leveller is just naïve. Uniforms are all about eroding individuality. That's literally the point of them.
I'd say I now look far more conventional than I ever did, but my thinking certainly isn't and that's what's the important bit. Not how you look, but what you feel or believe. Uniforms at school can really help with socialising as kids are possibly less judgemental?
Dunno. It's a while since I was at school.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
My secondary school had a rule about boys hair being no shorter than a grade 2 (I think) and for a while they were suspending kids who had it cut shorter.
Lasted about a week before all the skivers realised and came in with shaved heads.0 -
rick_chasey said:
You got expelled for uniform violations?!photonic69 said:
Haha! Eroding individuality? Surely not. I loved that fact we wore uniforms as it meant I had a target to see how far I could push that boundary and still comply. I incorporated a sewing machine, zips and safety pins. My blazer was standard, my trousers were standard issue and my shoes were polished. However, I managed to get expelled on spurious grounds as they got so frustrated at me pushing the envelope too far. I mean, my hair didn't reach my collar at the back but it did go down to my tie at the front. It was also very, very black. Conformity was not my thing though 'my uniform' was me and correctly worn. I'm happy my kids wore uniforms to school. It makes it far quicker every morning. Heck, we all basically wear a uniform every day in the working world, whether it be your usual clothes that you only wear for work, or your office suit or provided work wear.pinno said:
In the same vein as FA - nope.rick_chasey said:
The idea uniform is a leveller is just naïve. Uniforms are all about eroding individuality. That's literally the point of them.
I'd say I now look far more conventional than I ever did, but my thinking certainly isn't and that's what's the important bit. Not how you look, but what you feel or believe. Uniforms at school can really help with socialising as kids are possibly less judgemental?
Dunno. It's a while since I was at school.
Yup. It was all technically correct. Blazer, shirt, tie, trousers, shoes. I was singled out for being alternative. I wasn't going to change when there were kids in black trainers, tracky bottoms, no blazer or tie and they didn't get suspended or expelled. I was a top grade student too. Their loss.Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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Coincidentally, a parent of one of my ex-pupils was just bemoaning when the uniform changed from "the easiest ever" (polo shirt, grey skirt/trousers) to the return to blazers, ties etc. Obviously the more items of fancy uniform specified, the more opportunities there are for infringements, and the more ridiculous the lengths the authorities have to go to to uphold uniform standards. And yes, that is a waste of everybody's time.0
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This is why uniforms for school are stupid.photonic69 said:rick_chasey said:
You got expelled for uniform violations?!photonic69 said:
Haha! Eroding individuality? Surely not. I loved that fact we wore uniforms as it meant I had a target to see how far I could push that boundary and still comply. I incorporated a sewing machine, zips and safety pins. My blazer was standard, my trousers were standard issue and my shoes were polished. However, I managed to get expelled on spurious grounds as they got so frustrated at me pushing the envelope too far. I mean, my hair didn't reach my collar at the back but it did go down to my tie at the front. It was also very, very black. Conformity was not my thing though 'my uniform' was me and correctly worn. I'm happy my kids wore uniforms to school. It makes it far quicker every morning. Heck, we all basically wear a uniform every day in the working world, whether it be your usual clothes that you only wear for work, or your office suit or provided work wear.pinno said:
In the same vein as FA - nope.rick_chasey said:
The idea uniform is a leveller is just naïve. Uniforms are all about eroding individuality. That's literally the point of them.
I'd say I now look far more conventional than I ever did, but my thinking certainly isn't and that's what's the important bit. Not how you look, but what you feel or believe. Uniforms at school can really help with socialising as kids are possibly less judgemental?
Dunno. It's a while since I was at school.
Yup. It was all technically correct. Blazer, shirt, tie, trousers, shoes. I was singled out for being alternative. I wasn't going to change when there were kids in black trainers, tracky bottoms, no blazer or tie and they didn't get suspended or expelled. I was a top grade student too. Their loss.
Uniforms are for things when you’re representing institutions or other things when the authority of the institution is important.
So things like emergency services, police, army, fireman etc.
Useful in sport obviously.
The idea that the school as an institution is above the children - it’s a little pathetic.0 -
rick_chasey said:
This is why uniforms for school are stupid.photonic69 said:rick_chasey said:
You got expelled for uniform violations?!photonic69 said:
Haha! Eroding individuality? Surely not. I loved that fact we wore uniforms as it meant I had a target to see how far I could push that boundary and still comply. I incorporated a sewing machine, zips and safety pins. My blazer was standard, my trousers were standard issue and my shoes were polished. However, I managed to get expelled on spurious grounds as they got so frustrated at me pushing the envelope too far. I mean, my hair didn't reach my collar at the back but it did go down to my tie at the front. It was also very, very black. Conformity was not my thing though 'my uniform' was me and correctly worn. I'm happy my kids wore uniforms to school. It makes it far quicker every morning. Heck, we all basically wear a uniform every day in the working world, whether it be your usual clothes that you only wear for work, or your office suit or provided work wear.pinno said:
In the same vein as FA - nope.rick_chasey said:
The idea uniform is a leveller is just naïve. Uniforms are all about eroding individuality. That's literally the point of them.
I'd say I now look far more conventional than I ever did, but my thinking certainly isn't and that's what's the important bit. Not how you look, but what you feel or believe. Uniforms at school can really help with socialising as kids are possibly less judgemental?
Dunno. It's a while since I was at school.
Yup. It was all technically correct. Blazer, shirt, tie, trousers, shoes. I was singled out for being alternative. I wasn't going to change when there were kids in black trainers, tracky bottoms, no blazer or tie and they didn't get suspended or expelled. I was a top grade student too. Their loss.
Uniforms are for things when you’re representing institutions or other things when the authority of the institution is important.
So things like emergency services, police, army, fireman etc.
Useful in sport obviously.
The idea that the school as an institution is above the children - it’s a little pathetic.
Sports uniforms tend to be practical (suitable for physical activity), the old-fashoined school uniforms (blazers, ties, skirts, etc) aren't, so I can see the objection there, but not so much for the simple practical ones such as polo shirts etc.0 -
People not bothering to look at other's outlook calendars and just chucking in meetings over existing ones.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Not being able to find my paper DBS certificate from five years ago... no one asks for it any more, as I pay for the annual update and that allows institutions to check it online... so I've no idea why an institution that's just checked it online wants to see the original paper copy... I can show them the one from 2014...
And it's annoying that, in this day and age, you can't just download a PDF... no, the only way you can get a new copy is to apply from scratch, complete with the full fee. Grrr.0 -
Handling chillies* and inserting contact lenses. STINGY!!
*even after a long time, the capsaicin lingers.
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I bet that made youPross said:
When I did my first bike race I applied hot Sportsbalm to my legs then went to the toilet with cleaning the residue off my hands first. I didn’t do it again!masjer said:Handling chillies* and inserting contact lenses. STINGY!!
*even after a long time, the capsaicin lingers.runpedal faster.0 -
Pross said:
When I did my first bike race I applied hot Sportsbalm to my legs then went to the toilet with cleaning the residue off my hands first. I didn’t do it again!masjer said:Handling chillies* and inserting contact lenses. STINGY!!
*even after a long time, the capsaicin lingers.
I bet you felt a bit of a dïck.0 -
That thing (or at least the rules over when you needed one) used to wind me up and yeah, the process is a PITA.briantrumpet said:Not being able to find my paper DBS certificate from five years ago... no one asks for it any more, as I pay for the annual update and that allows institutions to check it online... so I've no idea why an institution that's just checked it online wants to see the original paper copy... I can show them the one from 2014...
And it's annoying that, in this day and age, you can't just download a PDF... no, the only way you can get a new copy is to apply from scratch, complete with the full fee. Grrr.
At one point, they wanted a new DBS for each 'different' activity. Eventually, they changed policy and one per annum covers everything.
In Jockland anyway.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I remember having to get 3 in 3 weeks at one point for 3 different organisations. Seemed a waste of time even back then.pinno said:
That thing (or at least the rules over when you needed one) used to wind me up and yeah, the process is a PITA.briantrumpet said:Not being able to find my paper DBS certificate from five years ago... no one asks for it any more, as I pay for the annual update and that allows institutions to check it online... so I've no idea why an institution that's just checked it online wants to see the original paper copy... I can show them the one from 2014...
And it's annoying that, in this day and age, you can't just download a PDF... no, the only way you can get a new copy is to apply from scratch, complete with the full fee. Grrr.
At one point, they wanted a new DBS for each 'different' activity. Eventually, they changed policy and one per annum covers everything.
In Jockland anyway.0 -
Seems to be paywalled but anyone choosing to live near a military training area complaining about the noise of military training is a bit stupid, like those people who move to a quiet village and complain about church bells. I don’t think any areas where they do firing exercises have been built in the time since people have moved there.
I suspect the actual details differ from the headline though as that is usually the case.0 -
We went to look at a house recently on Dartmoor, near the Okehampton range.
Yeah.
Still for sale. 20+ days of firing a month, most months, at the moment.0 -
Well...Okehampton.....0
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Hand Gel dispensers. Those that haven't been used in a while. The ones that have dried up gel in the nozzle end. The ones that shoot gel out at weird angles and at velocity. Where it lands on your crotch or shirt so it looks like you've either wet yourself with pissdribble or cracked one off, Something About Mary style.
Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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There are worse places in the world, and the house was right in the moor at the end of a dead end road, all very idyllic. Apart from the noise.shirley_basso said:Well...Okehampton.....
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You should have bought it, moved in and then started complaining to the press about the noise (ideally pushing for compensation).First.Aspect said:
There are worse places in the world, and the house was right in the moor at the end of a dead end road, all very idyllic. Apart from the noise.shirley_basso said:Well...Okehampton.....
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