Seemingly trivial things that annoy you
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rick_chasey said:
I had a look at my old flights and trains from 3-4 years ago - same time of year.briantrumpet said:To be honest, air travel has been stoopidly cheap for too long. Don't tell EasyJet, but I'd not really hesitate to book return Paris flights up to about £150. Above that I'd start to look at the comparison with Eurostar, even if getting to and across London from the South West is a PITA.
Still hoping Paris flights from Exeter return, but no sign of that from the 'new' Flybe yet.
Aside from **much more choice** back then we’re looking at a 180-250% price increase.
With an extra head now too the price has jumped from £150-200 for the two of us to £500-700 for the three.
Crazy.
It is if you look at it in inflationary terms, but I think the crazier bit has been the cheapness and ease of air flight that we've got used to. I think the operations & business models of companies such as Easyjet are quite extraordinary in how they have been able to turn a profit for so long with such low airfares.0 -
First.Aspect said:
The new flybe is hq'd in Birmingham, so that's not going to happen Brian. Get used to the drive to Bristol.briantrumpet said:To be honest, air travel has been stoopidly cheap for too long. Don't tell EasyJet, but I'd not really hesitate to book return Paris flights up to about £150. Above that I'd start to look at the comparison with Eurostar, even if getting to and across London from the South West is a PITA.
Still hoping Paris flights from Exeter return, but no sign of that from the 'new' Flybe yet.
Indeed, I'm not holding my breath, for that reason, but even so, the Exeter-Paris service had been very popular for many years, and given that Flybe have resumed services from Southampton, I don't think it's totally outside the realms of possibility. On verra.0 -
It’s pretty straightforward. They treat you like cattle.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
I had a look at my old flights and trains from 3-4 years ago - same time of year.briantrumpet said:To be honest, air travel has been stoopidly cheap for too long. Don't tell EasyJet, but I'd not really hesitate to book return Paris flights up to about £150. Above that I'd start to look at the comparison with Eurostar, even if getting to and across London from the South West is a PITA.
Still hoping Paris flights from Exeter return, but no sign of that from the 'new' Flybe yet.
Aside from **much more choice** back then we’re looking at a 180-250% price increase.
With an extra head now too the price has jumped from £150-200 for the two of us to £500-700 for the three.
Crazy.
It is if you look at it in inflationary terms, but I think the crazier bit has been the cheapness and ease of air flight that we've got used to. I think the operations & business models of companies such as Easyjet are quite extraordinary in how they have been able to turn a profit for so long with such low airfares.
Which they’re still doing.0 -
Tbh, I've not noticed any difference between easyJet and B.A. At an airport it is airport staff that treat you like cattle. Passengers then act like cattle once boarding is called.rick_chasey said:
It’s pretty straightforward. They treat you like cattle.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
I had a look at my old flights and trains from 3-4 years ago - same time of year.briantrumpet said:To be honest, air travel has been stoopidly cheap for too long. Don't tell EasyJet, but I'd not really hesitate to book return Paris flights up to about £150. Above that I'd start to look at the comparison with Eurostar, even if getting to and across London from the South West is a PITA.
Still hoping Paris flights from Exeter return, but no sign of that from the 'new' Flybe yet.
Aside from **much more choice** back then we’re looking at a 180-250% price increase.
With an extra head now too the price has jumped from £150-200 for the two of us to £500-700 for the three.
Crazy.
It is if you look at it in inflationary terms, but I think the crazier bit has been the cheapness and ease of air flight that we've got used to. I think the operations & business models of companies such as Easyjet are quite extraordinary in how they have been able to turn a profit for so long with such low airfares.
Which they’re still doing.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Like it or not air travel has been artificially cheap for too long in the same way that supermarket food has. Now the industry has lost thousands of trained staff who are slow to replace due to the time security checks take (does anyone want these being rushed?) and high levels of employment. Throw in sky high fuel prices and it's hardly a shock that prices have risen so much.
I'm avoiding leaving the country this year but appreciate it's harderif you have family abroad.0 -
Flying ain't what it used to be, that's for sure.
I remember free meals and metal cutlery.
Are other countries suffering staff shortages or is this a Brexshit thing?
Yes, it's become far too cheap and rising prices are actually quite good for the environment. Hight fuel prices and a lack of staff - perfect.
We all talk the talk but not walk the walk when it comes to climate change.
What's a Ferry ticket price at 3am from Harwich to the Hook of Holland?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
It’s 11pm and it’s £400 if you want the car.pinno said:Flying ain't what it used to be, that's for sure.
I remember free meals and metal cutlery.
Are other countries suffering staff shortages or is this a Brexshit thing?
Yes, it's become far too cheap and rising prices are actually quite good for the environment. Hight fuel prices and a lack of staff - perfect.
We all talk the talk but not walk the walk when it comes to climate change.
What's a Ferry ticket price at 3am from Harwich to the Hook of Holland?
Look if it was £600 for a very civilised flight and sensible times - fine.
Instead it’s £600 to be treated like a prisoner and £800-900 for civilised.
Presumably it’s also no business flight subbing holiday flights0 -
Also hardly surprising given that the material difference Business flights get over Economy on short haul flights is minimal at best.rick_chasey said:...
Presumably it’s also no business flight subbing holiday flightsThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
There was nothing like getting on a Sir Frank Whittle, hot meal, little brown roll, wrapped butter, small container of orange juice...Look at the duty fee mag (magazines remember them)...
Holiday resorts were also pristine and traditional places.0 -
My concern is that tourism (ironically) finances conservation.
Wildlife reserves in Africa suffered during C19 restrictions in Western Countries.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
You must want quite specific dates and times for eurostar to be £250. It's logical for those to be more expensive when there are anticipated issues at airports.0
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People walking or running on the road in Richmond Park.0
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Zeppelin were almost as civilised as the White Star Line.focuszing723 said:There was nothing like getting on a Sir Frank Whittle, hot meal, little brown roll, wrapped butter, small container of orange juice...Look at the duty fee mag (magazines remember them)...
Holiday resorts were also pristine and traditional places.0 -
I’ve tried within a 6 week period and it’s basically the same. Maybe £150 on a Wednesday but that’s so inefficient for annual leave it’s a non-starterkingstongraham said:You must want quite specific dates and times for eurostar to be £250. It's logical for those to be more expensive when there are anticipated issues at airports.
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It’s been artificially cheap for a long time. It’s currently inflated due to short term issues.
In 18months time, a more realistic norm will have established itself.0 -
It's always staggered me how cheap air travel is, considering the overheads. How much is a A320/737? Say 60 million quid, then there is the staff, maintenance, kerosene...
Like I said, it's bloody cheap relatively.0 -
You can understand why Musk is so intent on reusable rockets to progress humanities intergalactic galaticness. Imagine the cost of travel, if aircraft were a once only propulsion type thing?0
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What do you mean? They get a curtain to separate them from the riff raff.pblakeney said:
Also hardly surprising given that the material difference Business flights get over Economy on short haul flights is minimal at best.rick_chasey said:...
Presumably it’s also no business flight subbing holiday flights1 -
This is why it is better to holiday outside Europe. No cheaper, of course, but more pleasant.rick_chasey said:
It’s 11pm and it’s £400 if you want the car.pinno said:Flying ain't what it used to be, that's for sure.
I remember free meals and metal cutlery.
Are other countries suffering staff shortages or is this a Brexshit thing?
Yes, it's become far too cheap and rising prices are actually quite good for the environment. Hight fuel prices and a lack of staff - perfect.
We all talk the talk but not walk the walk when it comes to climate change.
What's a Ferry ticket price at 3am from Harwich to the Hook of Holland?
Look if it was £600 for a very civilised flight and sensible times - fine.
Instead it’s £600 to be treated like a prisoner and £800-900 for civilised.
Presumably it’s also no business flight subbing holiday flights0 -
But I want to visit European places, not non-European places?TheBigBean said:
This is why it is better to holiday outside Europe. No cheaper, of course, but more pleasant.rick_chasey said:
It’s 11pm and it’s £400 if you want the car.pinno said:Flying ain't what it used to be, that's for sure.
I remember free meals and metal cutlery.
Are other countries suffering staff shortages or is this a Brexshit thing?
Yes, it's become far too cheap and rising prices are actually quite good for the environment. Hight fuel prices and a lack of staff - perfect.
We all talk the talk but not walk the walk when it comes to climate change.
What's a Ferry ticket price at 3am from Harwich to the Hook of Holland?
Look if it was £600 for a very civilised flight and sensible times - fine.
Instead it’s £600 to be treated like a prisoner and £800-900 for civilised.
Presumably it’s also no business flight subbing holiday flights0 -
It is about supply and demand. Car rental prices are stupid now as well. We got a quote for £500 for a Fiat 500 for a week out of Exeter recently. For that price I could buy a sh!t car and sell it again at the end of the week.0
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Am also very jealous of all the LTNs - we lost ours after all the 60+ yr old council members grouped together across Tories and Labour and by a narrow majority (and controversially as two younger councillors were off isolating with kids with covid) shut the LTN down.
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Ya think?!morstar said:It’s been artificially cheap for a long time. It’s currently inflated due to short term issues.
In 18months time, a more realistic norm will have established itself.
I can't see fuel prices coming down until the war in Ukraine stops.
Even if we source energy elsewhere, the market remains jittery and there doesn't seem to be any let up in that conflict.
Russia has to justify their actions by advancement and that is slow against a country well backed. So it could go on and on and no winners.
This year, when wheat harvests don't reach their destinations, lets just watch food prices go silly. We are yet to realise the full costs of current fuel prices.
When that conflict ends, there will be a long period of latency.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Then you need to suffer.rick_chasey said:
But I want to visit European places, not non-European places?TheBigBean said:
This is why it is better to holiday outside Europe. No cheaper, of course, but more pleasant.rick_chasey said:
It’s 11pm and it’s £400 if you want the car.pinno said:Flying ain't what it used to be, that's for sure.
I remember free meals and metal cutlery.
Are other countries suffering staff shortages or is this a Brexshit thing?
Yes, it's become far too cheap and rising prices are actually quite good for the environment. Hight fuel prices and a lack of staff - perfect.
We all talk the talk but not walk the walk when it comes to climate change.
What's a Ferry ticket price at 3am from Harwich to the Hook of Holland?
Look if it was £600 for a very civilised flight and sensible times - fine.
Instead it’s £600 to be treated like a prisoner and £800-900 for civilised.
Presumably it’s also no business flight subbing holiday flights0 -
Fuel accounts for about 40% to 50% of air operating costs of a single flight, depending on the type of plane used (economies of scale and fuel efficiency are directly related). While during the 1990s, jet fuel prices were very stable, the beginning of the 21st century is marked by a surge or prices as well as large fluctuations. Since 2000, the airline industry has faced an environment characterized by much higher fuel prices and volatility. Between 2005 and 2016, fuel prices could vary between 20% and 35% of the operating expenses of an airline. In the 2010s, jet fuel prices stood at six times the level seen in the 1990s. While jet fuel prices substantially declined at the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, they bounced back sharply afterward because of inflationary pressures. This volatility makes the long-term planning of air operations more complex, prioritizing aircraft design and focusing on fuel efficiency.https://transportgeography.org/contents/chapter5/air-transport/jet-fuel-prices/0 -
Hyperloops throughout Europe would actually be a great idea.0
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Yes, I do. I agree 100% we are going to see a lot of inflation still to come.pinno said:
Ya think?!morstar said:It’s been artificially cheap for a long time. It’s currently inflated due to short term issues.
In 18months time, a more realistic norm will have established itself.
I can't see fuel prices coming down until the war in Ukraine stops.
Even if we source energy elsewhere, the market remains jittery and there doesn't seem to be any let up in that conflict.
Russia has to justify their actions by advancement and that is slow against a country well backed. So it could go on and on and no winners.
This year, when wheat harvests don't reach their destinations, lets just watch food prices go silly. We are yet to realise the full costs of current fuel prices.
When that conflict ends, there will be a long period of latency.
But the travel issue is a distorted market issue and not simply fuel inflation. The travel companies have actively reduced supply as they simply can’t meet it. That’s added pressure on top of fuel prices.
As they staff up, the mismatch between supply and demand will be reduced and be deflationary.
I agree it’s possible that slack could be counterbalanced by further fuel increases.0 -
Schools are shutting for a day because the bank holiday was during half term
Truly these people have no shame0 -
Presumably not on a day that coincides with the rail strikes that are planned to minimise the potential for that disruption?surrey_commuter said:Schools are shutting for a day because the bank holiday was during half term
Truly these people have no shame0
