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Like I said the Uk police are unusually soft touch. This is context that is usually taken out of the UK coverage.0
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There does seem to be a problem creeping back into football, whereby people turn up in large numbers to soak up the "atmosphere", a small proportion of whom try to take their chances on getting in to the stadium.
Noy sure organisers have quite kept up with the issue.0 -
Yeah, not convinced fan zones in a host city are a good idea. That said telling supporters their legitimate tickets (in one case provided directly by a Liverpool player) that they are fake is hardly a good look either.0
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But if several thousand rsoles did not turn up with intention of creating an intimidating atmosphere none of this would happenPross said:Yeah, not convinced fan zones in a host city are a good idea. That said telling supporters their legitimate tickets (in one case provided directly by a Liverpool player) that they are fake is hardly a good look either.
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First.Aspect said:
There does seem to be a problem creeping back into football, whereby people turn up in large numbers to soak up the "atmosphere", a small proportion of whom try to take their chances on getting in to the stadium.
Noy sure organisers have quite kept up with the issue.
It never went away, it just became news again.
Once the scouse PR machine goes into overdrive they will be the victims and nobody will stop to wonder why fans of other clubs travel to cause trouble at their games0 -
My point is that for 40 years English football fans have behaved like a pirate crew. So it is probably safe to assume that the Paris police were braced for violence, theft, vagrancy and looting. And totally expectedly when they created a lawless situation to gain entry to the stadium what should they have done to stop them?Pross said:
Not sure what that means, I was responding to Rick's comment that the football supporters / English media should know what the police are like and not complain about heavy handedness.surrey_commuter said:
I imagine the most rozzers that Paris could muster in one shift is a couple of thousand at the absolute most. Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want then how do you suggest they stop them?Pross said:
Turn your comments into black people in America know how the police in some states react to protests by black people. Does your argument still stand up?rick_chasey said:That’s how the local rozzers deal with them.
If ya don’t like the local policing practices, don’t go. It’s football, we all know the drill by now.
Pretty sure you've complained in the past about the Met using kettling to deal with protests that get out of hand despite it being their standard procedure in those instances. You really do have double standards depending on where your own views / prejudices lie.0 -
Happened last summer at the euros as well.surrey_commuter said:First.Aspect said:There does seem to be a problem creeping back into football, whereby people turn up in large numbers to soak up the "atmosphere", a small proportion of whom try to take their chances on getting in to the stadium.
Noy sure organisers have quite kept up with the issue.
It never went away, it just became news again.
Once the scouse PR machine goes into overdrive they will be the victims and nobody will stop to wonder why fans of other clubs travel to cause trouble at their games0 -
I remember the stories from United in Europe in 99. Getting stabbed and or local taxi drivers dropping off United fans amongst a load of Italian Ultras was pretty standard, as was not being let into the cup final with genuine tickets.0
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Italy still has a terrible reputation for this sort of thing,mully79 said:I remember the stories from United in Europe in 99. Getting stabbed and or local taxi drivers dropping off United fans amongst a load of Italian Ultras was pretty standard, as was not being let into the cup final with genuine tickets.
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Do you have any evidence of this lawlessness as the news channels don't seem to have. The worst I've seen is people arguing with police when not being allowed into a stadium they've paid money to get a ticket to enter and a handful scaling fences after teargas had been deployed in a crowded area they couldn't escape. There is plenty of footage of police spraying crowds doing nothing wrong.surrey_commuter said:
My point is that for 40 years English football fans have behaved like a pirate crew. So it is probably safe to assume that the Paris police were braced for violence, theft, vagrancy and looting. And totally expectedly when they created a lawless situation to gain entry to the stadium what should they have done to stop them?Pross said:
Not sure what that means, I was responding to Rick's comment that the football supporters / English media should know what the police are like and not complain about heavy handedness.surrey_commuter said:
I imagine the most rozzers that Paris could muster in one shift is a couple of thousand at the absolute most. Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want then how do you suggest they stop them?Pross said:
Turn your comments into black people in America know how the police in some states react to protests by black people. Does your argument still stand up?rick_chasey said:That’s how the local rozzers deal with them.
If ya don’t like the local policing practices, don’t go. It’s football, we all know the drill by now.
Pretty sure you've complained in the past about the Met using kettling to deal with protests that get out of hand despite it being their standard procedure in those instances. You really do have double standards depending on where your own views / prejudices lie.
I accept that English fans don't have a great reputation abroad and have no problem with swift, harsh action being taken against those behaving badly but this looked preemptive and indiscriminate.0 -
Anyway, Mad Nad is on the case now so it will all be sorted out in a professional and diplomatic manner.0
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Fans of Dutch football team Feyenoord rioted in Rome's Piazza di Spagna during the late afternoon on 19 February, ahead of a Europa League match against AS Roma which ended in a 1-1 draw.
During the clashes the rioting hooligans smashed glass bottles against the 17th-century Barcaccia fountain, damaging the central part of the baroque monument which was unveiled in September following a year-long restoration.
https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/dutch-football-hooligans-wreak-havoc-in-rome.html
Riiiiiiick, this could go on and on. Some people just have no respect, I don't think it can be defined to a country, though.0 -
For 40 years English football fans have terrorised cities across Europe and that is why English football fans will be treated the way they are treated.Pross said:
Do you have any evidence of this lawlessness as the news channels don't seem to have. The worst I've seen is people arguing with police when not being allowed into a stadium they've paid money to get a ticket to enter and a handful scaling fences after teargas had been deployed in a crowded area they couldn't escape. There is plenty of footage of police spraying crowds doing nothing wrong.surrey_commuter said:
My point is that for 40 years English football fans have behaved like a pirate crew. So it is probably safe to assume that the Paris police were braced for violence, theft, vagrancy and looting. And totally expectedly when they created a lawless situation to gain entry to the stadium what should they have done to stop them?Pross said:
Not sure what that means, I was responding to Rick's comment that the football supporters / English media should know what the police are like and not complain about heavy handedness.surrey_commuter said:
I imagine the most rozzers that Paris could muster in one shift is a couple of thousand at the absolute most. Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want then how do you suggest they stop them?Pross said:
Turn your comments into black people in America know how the police in some states react to protests by black people. Does your argument still stand up?rick_chasey said:That’s how the local rozzers deal with them.
If ya don’t like the local policing practices, don’t go. It’s football, we all know the drill by now.
Pretty sure you've complained in the past about the Met using kettling to deal with protests that get out of hand despite it being their standard procedure in those instances. You really do have double standards depending on where your own views / prejudices lie.
I accept that English fans don't have a great reputation abroad and have no problem with swift, harsh action being taken against those behaving badly but this looked preemptive and indiscriminate.
Ifyou want to believe that 50,000 Liverpool fans went to Paris without causing any problems then crack on.
I was at this game and offered my views to the FA enquiry but I was singing off the wrong hymnsheet.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/england-fans-outraged-by-brutal-italians-1235661.html
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Go read the orginal post and come back to me.focuszing723 said:Fans of Dutch football team Feyenoord rioted in Rome's Piazza di Spagna during the late afternoon on 19 February, ahead of a Europa League match against AS Roma which ended in a 1-1 draw.
During the clashes the rioting hooligans smashed glass bottles against the 17th-century Barcaccia fountain, damaging the central part of the baroque monument which was unveiled in September following a year-long restoration.
https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/dutch-football-hooligans-wreak-havoc-in-rome.html
Riiiiiiick, this could go on and on. Some people just have no respect, I don't think it can be defined to a country, though.0 -
Sorry, I can't get passed this post with a victory gesture (why, I don't know).rick_chasey said:
It's gone now, Liverpool fans leaving rubbish behind in Paris.0 -
Lol I didn't know Merseyside police go over to help police them. Do we do this for any other sports?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It's been the case in football since the 80s I think. It shouldn't be necessary but the British forces have teams dedicated to intelligence on football hooliganism, they go along and assist the locals to try to pre-empt issues. No other sport has that history (and it isn't just an English problem), it's a disgrace that it is needed but also a sensible measure.pangolin said:Lol I didn't know Merseyside police go over to help police them. Do we do this for any other sports?
FWIW Merseyside Police have said that the fans weren't causing trouble.0 -
Who said that none of the 50,000 caused any trouble? 50,000 is the population of a decent sized town, add in alcohol and it would be incredible if there wasn't any.surrey_commuter said:
For 40 years English football fans have terrorised cities across Europe and that is why English football fans will be treated the way they are treated.Pross said:
Do you have any evidence of this lawlessness as the news channels don't seem to have. The worst I've seen is people arguing with police when not being allowed into a stadium they've paid money to get a ticket to enter and a handful scaling fences after teargas had been deployed in a crowded area they couldn't escape. There is plenty of footage of police spraying crowds doing nothing wrong.surrey_commuter said:
My point is that for 40 years English football fans have behaved like a pirate crew. So it is probably safe to assume that the Paris police were braced for violence, theft, vagrancy and looting. And totally expectedly when they created a lawless situation to gain entry to the stadium what should they have done to stop them?Pross said:
Not sure what that means, I was responding to Rick's comment that the football supporters / English media should know what the police are like and not complain about heavy handedness.surrey_commuter said:
I imagine the most rozzers that Paris could muster in one shift is a couple of thousand at the absolute most. Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want then how do you suggest they stop them?Pross said:
Turn your comments into black people in America know how the police in some states react to protests by black people. Does your argument still stand up?rick_chasey said:That’s how the local rozzers deal with them.
If ya don’t like the local policing practices, don’t go. It’s football, we all know the drill by now.
Pretty sure you've complained in the past about the Met using kettling to deal with protests that get out of hand despite it being their standard procedure in those instances. You really do have double standards depending on where your own views / prejudices lie.
I accept that English fans don't have a great reputation abroad and have no problem with swift, harsh action being taken against those behaving badly but this looked preemptive and indiscriminate.
Ifyou want to believe that 50,000 Liverpool fans went to Paris without causing any problems then crack on.
I was at this game and offered my views to the FA enquiry but I was singing off the wrong hymnsheet.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/england-fans-outraged-by-brutal-italians-1235661.html
However, that's a big goalpost shift from "Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want..".0 -
out of that 50,000 there will be thousands who love the intoxification of the mob, the fact thatyou can do what you want for a few days and nobody can stop you.Pross said:
Who said that none of the 50,000 caused any trouble? 50,000 is the population of a decent sized town, add in alcohol and it would be incredible if there wasn't any.surrey_commuter said:
For 40 years English football fans have terrorised cities across Europe and that is why English football fans will be treated the way they are treated.Pross said:
Do you have any evidence of this lawlessness as the news channels don't seem to have. The worst I've seen is people arguing with police when not being allowed into a stadium they've paid money to get a ticket to enter and a handful scaling fences after teargas had been deployed in a crowded area they couldn't escape. There is plenty of footage of police spraying crowds doing nothing wrong.surrey_commuter said:
My point is that for 40 years English football fans have behaved like a pirate crew. So it is probably safe to assume that the Paris police were braced for violence, theft, vagrancy and looting. And totally expectedly when they created a lawless situation to gain entry to the stadium what should they have done to stop them?Pross said:
Not sure what that means, I was responding to Rick's comment that the football supporters / English media should know what the police are like and not complain about heavy handedness.surrey_commuter said:
I imagine the most rozzers that Paris could muster in one shift is a couple of thousand at the absolute most. Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want then how do you suggest they stop them?Pross said:
Turn your comments into black people in America know how the police in some states react to protests by black people. Does your argument still stand up?rick_chasey said:That’s how the local rozzers deal with them.
If ya don’t like the local policing practices, don’t go. It’s football, we all know the drill by now.
Pretty sure you've complained in the past about the Met using kettling to deal with protests that get out of hand despite it being their standard procedure in those instances. You really do have double standards depending on where your own views / prejudices lie.
I accept that English fans don't have a great reputation abroad and have no problem with swift, harsh action being taken against those behaving badly but this looked preemptive and indiscriminate.
Ifyou want to believe that 50,000 Liverpool fans went to Paris without causing any problems then crack on.
I was at this game and offered my views to the FA enquiry but I was singing off the wrong hymnsheet.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/england-fans-outraged-by-brutal-italians-1235661.html
However, that's a big goalpost shift from "Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want..".0 -
I don't think I have littered in my LIFE! Well, apart from all the imported $h1t which ends up in landfill or bobbing around in the sea.surrey_commuter said:
out of that 50,000 there will be thousands who love the intoxification of the mob, the fact thatyou can do what you want for a few days and nobody can stop you.Pross said:
Who said that none of the 50,000 caused any trouble? 50,000 is the population of a decent sized town, add in alcohol and it would be incredible if there wasn't any.surrey_commuter said:
For 40 years English football fans have terrorised cities across Europe and that is why English football fans will be treated the way they are treated.Pross said:
Do you have any evidence of this lawlessness as the news channels don't seem to have. The worst I've seen is people arguing with police when not being allowed into a stadium they've paid money to get a ticket to enter and a handful scaling fences after teargas had been deployed in a crowded area they couldn't escape. There is plenty of footage of police spraying crowds doing nothing wrong.surrey_commuter said:
My point is that for 40 years English football fans have behaved like a pirate crew. So it is probably safe to assume that the Paris police were braced for violence, theft, vagrancy and looting. And totally expectedly when they created a lawless situation to gain entry to the stadium what should they have done to stop them?Pross said:
Not sure what that means, I was responding to Rick's comment that the football supporters / English media should know what the police are like and not complain about heavy handedness.surrey_commuter said:
I imagine the most rozzers that Paris could muster in one shift is a couple of thousand at the absolute most. Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want then how do you suggest they stop them?Pross said:
Turn your comments into black people in America know how the police in some states react to protests by black people. Does your argument still stand up?rick_chasey said:That’s how the local rozzers deal with them.
If ya don’t like the local policing practices, don’t go. It’s football, we all know the drill by now.
Pretty sure you've complained in the past about the Met using kettling to deal with protests that get out of hand despite it being their standard procedure in those instances. You really do have double standards depending on where your own views / prejudices lie.
I accept that English fans don't have a great reputation abroad and have no problem with swift, harsh action being taken against those behaving badly but this looked preemptive and indiscriminate.
Ifyou want to believe that 50,000 Liverpool fans went to Paris without causing any problems then crack on.
I was at this game and offered my views to the FA enquiry but I was singing off the wrong hymnsheet.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/england-fans-outraged-by-brutal-italians-1235661.html
However, that's a big goalpost shift from "Now if several thousand people turn up he’ll bent on using physical confrontation to steal, assault and generally do what they want..".0 -
But Mathieu Valet, from senior police officers' union the SICP, told the BBC's Newshour the main issue was not ticketless fans or fake tickets, but "three or four hundred French and undocumented delinquents who were there on the concourse of the Stade de France".
"It's clear that we needed more police - we didn't have enough on the ground," Mr Valet said.
Police officer using CS spray on a Liverpool fanImage source, Getty Images
Image caption,
A police officer is photographed spraying a cannister towards a Liverpool fan outside the gates
He confirmed the use of tear gas, saying it "unfortunately does not discriminate".
"It's clear that families, children, mainly English supporters, were inconvenienced by tear gas, I know it's not part of your culture but it allows us to repel attackers," he said.0 -
Noisy eaters. Drives me nuts.0
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Like I said, police in rest of world are not the soft touch the UK rozzers are.TheBigBean said:But Mathieu Valet, from senior police officers' union the SICP, told the BBC's Newshour the main issue was not ticketless fans or fake tickets, but "three or four hundred French and undocumented delinquents who were there on the concourse of the Stade de France".
"It's clear that we needed more police - we didn't have enough on the ground," Mr Valet said.
Police officer using CS spray on a Liverpool fanImage source, Getty Images
Image caption,
A police officer is photographed spraying a cannister towards a Liverpool fan outside the gates
He confirmed the use of tear gas, saying it "unfortunately does not discriminate".
"It's clear that families, children, mainly English supporters, were inconvenienced by tear gas, I know it's not part of your culture but it allows us to repel attackers," he said.
This isn’t news! Fans love being victims - but they won’t sort out their own house. Always whining.
Police outside of the UK normally are much less approachable and don’t take sh!t.0 -
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Yet our police are the biggest bunch of racists, fascists, homophobic, corrupt, sexual predators going. So I wonder what these hard line Continental types are like.rick_chasey said:
Like I said, police in rest of world are not the soft touch the UK rozzers are.TheBigBean said:But Mathieu Valet, from senior police officers' union the SICP, told the BBC's Newshour the main issue was not ticketless fans or fake tickets, but "three or four hundred French and undocumented delinquents who were there on the concourse of the Stade de France".
"It's clear that we needed more police - we didn't have enough on the ground," Mr Valet said.
Police officer using CS spray on a Liverpool fanImage source, Getty Images
Image caption,
A police officer is photographed spraying a cannister towards a Liverpool fan outside the gates
He confirmed the use of tear gas, saying it "unfortunately does not discriminate".
"It's clear that families, children, mainly English supporters, were inconvenienced by tear gas, I know it's not part of your culture but it allows us to repel attackers," he said.
This isn’t news! Fans love being victims - but they won’t sort out their own house. Always whining.
Police outside of the UK normally are much less approachable and don’t take sh!t.
Pussycats 🤔
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I doubt it is an either/or choice.webboo said:
Yet our police are the biggest bunch of racists, fascists, homophobic, corrupt, sexual predators going. So I wonder what these hard line Continental types are like.rick_chasey said:
Like I said, police in rest of world are not the soft touch the UK rozzers are.TheBigBean said:But Mathieu Valet, from senior police officers' union the SICP, told the BBC's Newshour the main issue was not ticketless fans or fake tickets, but "three or four hundred French and undocumented delinquents who were there on the concourse of the Stade de France".
"It's clear that we needed more police - we didn't have enough on the ground," Mr Valet said.
Police officer using CS spray on a Liverpool fanImage source, Getty Images
Image caption,
A police officer is photographed spraying a cannister towards a Liverpool fan outside the gates
He confirmed the use of tear gas, saying it "unfortunately does not discriminate".
"It's clear that families, children, mainly English supporters, were inconvenienced by tear gas, I know it's not part of your culture but it allows us to repel attackers," he said.
This isn’t news! Fans love being victims - but they won’t sort out their own house. Always whining.
Police outside of the UK normally are much less approachable and don’t take sh!t.
Pussycats 🤔The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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I see the UK as a good example.rick_chasey said:It’s not for nothing UK police are pretty much the only lot who don’t carry guns as the norm
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
