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  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Sell your nike shares!

    They've survived Armstrong, Gatlin, Woods etc. I think I'll be hanging on to my shares for now :lol:
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Its going to get even worse for athletics this year, I think

    Lots more to emerge
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    CAS taking over positive cases in Rio (probably)

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5067e738 ... -rio-games
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Ross Tucker wasn't always an Dark Arts apprentice. He used to believe in miracles. This is his Shane Stokes moment.
    So if the reasons for the dominance of both Kenya and Ethiopia are physical and physiological, then one would be able to treat them almost the same, because they are very similar in that regard. But for now, we concentrate on the Ethiopians and ask how it is that they have managed to dominant where it counts even though they have a smaller talent pool than the Kenyans. And I believe that there are two key reasons why they do:

    - Administration and policy, which has created a more narrow focus and restraint than in Kenya
    - Training differences
    ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Joelsim wrote:
    CAS taking over positive cases in Rio (probably)

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5067e738 ... -rio-games

    IOC Putin as much distance between Seb Coe and doping cases as possible.
    ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Macaloon wrote:
    Ross Tucker wasn't always an Dark Arts apprentice. He used to believe in miracles. This is his Shane Stokes moment.
    So if the reasons for the dominance of both Kenya and Ethiopia are physical and physiological, then one would be able to treat them almost the same, because they are very similar in that regard. But for now, we concentrate on the Ethiopians and ask how it is that they have managed to dominant where it counts even though they have a smaller talent pool than the Kenyans. And I believe that there are two key reasons why they do:

    - Administration and policy, which has created a more narrow focus and restraint than in Kenya
    - Training differences



    I loves the internetz

    Nothing ever disappears
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    TBH he hasn't changed at all. He says that his point about training making the difference for Ethiopian athletes is "based largely on rumour and what I have read, because unfortunately, I'm yet to verify it with actual observation and fact". Then proceeds for several paragraphs on the subject...
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    dish_dash wrote:
    TBH he hasn't changed at all. He says that his point about training making the difference for Ethiopian athletes is "based largely on rumour and what I have read, because unfortunately, I'm yet to verify it with actual observation and fact". Then proceeds for several paragraphs on the subject...


    What a sterling example of a science practioner
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,351
    Kenya is as corrupt a country as there is. In fact, you could probably argue it is the most corrupt country in the world or at least on a par with Nigeria. So to think that Kenyan Athletics operates in cultural isolation of this corruption would be very very naive.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    TBH he hasn't changed at all. He says that his point about training making the difference for Ethiopian athletes is "based largely on rumour and what I have read, because unfortunately, I'm yet to verify it with actual observation and fact". Then proceeds for several paragraphs on the subject...


    What a sterling example of a science practioner

    You've got to remember everything Tucker does is a means to his own end. He's a moron.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    here, Joel, wotcha gonna do with Your Man Betancur this year

    We could do a PTP on whether he or Landa will race the least number of days before Jul
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Of course, Tucker's other immediate instinct is to deflect attention with a quick picture post of Mo training with some Ethiopians...

    There's a genuine scandal going on, with actual evidence and stuff like that, but what he's really interested in is socking it to a GB star.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Of course, Tucker's other immediate instinct is to deflect attention with a quick picture post of Mo training with some Ethiopians...

    There's a genuine scandal going on, with actual evidence and stuff like that, but what he's really interested in is socking it to a GB star.

    What he's really interested in is increasing his number of followers using top athletes and then saying 'I told you so, you heard it here first'.

    He is one of the least reputable scientists I think I can remember.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    here, Joel, wotcha gonna do with Your Man Betancur this year

    We could do a PTP on whether he or Landa will race the least number of days before Jul

    Hmm. My 2 year plan in my UCI game could already be broken, picking that waster and paying good money for him on a last chance saloon basis.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    I've just asked the chump about this.

    https://twitter.com/Joelsimi/status/704799689053306880
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Joelsim wrote:
    He is one of the least reputable scientists I think I can remember.

    He's Dupe Skywalker to Antoine's Vader. He'd be a vaccine denier if Digger required it.
    ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,351
    edited March 2016
    Joelsim wrote:
    I've just asked the chump about this.

    https://twitter.com/Joelsimi/status/704799689053306880

    Never mind that, what the climb in the picture on your 'home page'?
    There must have been some volcanic activity in Wandsworth 'cos it didn't look like that when was last there.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Who's the one who posted on the clinic?

    That deserves NFA immediately.
    _
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Who's the one who posted on the clinic?

    That deserves NFA immediately.

    Jeroen Swart? The guy who oversaw Froome's recent tests and tried to defend his rep against the basket jobs. He swiftly realised his mistake. Swart is no Tucker.
    ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Pinno wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    I've just asked the chump about this.

    https://twitter.com/Joelsimi/status/704799689053306880

    Never mind that, what the climb in the picture on your 'home page'?
    There must have been some volcanic activity in Wandsworth 'cos it didn't look like that when was last there.

    It's Balham Hill. The image isn't showing the Burger King drive through for some reason though.

    Moving back to Tucker, he hasn't replied so I'm assuming he's asleep or knocking one out at 6.72W/Kg.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Sweden's immigration policy is really having a tough time at the moment, hey?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,351
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Sweden's immigration policy is really having a tough time at the moment, hey?

    Not the first time:

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1982&dat=19880921&id=toZGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yDMNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3488,1701080&hl=en
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Pinno wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Sweden's immigration policy is really having a tough time at the moment, hey?

    Not the first time:

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1982&dat=19880921&id=toZGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yDMNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3488,1701080&hl=en

    That's some proper trawling...
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,351
    dish_dash wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Sweden's immigration policy is really having a tough time at the moment, hey?

    Not the first time:

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1982&dat=19880921&id=toZGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yDMNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3488,1701080&hl=en

    That's some proper trawling...

    I am having a go at being a bit more serious but don't worry, it won't last.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    appreciate the effort Pinno :wink:
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    dish_dash wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    ^interesting that this was only added to the list in January, and she was caught on the 10th.
    I wonder how long it is detectable.

    Not sure actually, but it does appear to have been extensively used in the Eastern Block recently (yes I know...).

    It's only manufactured/sold there...

    It would appear they deliver to Ethiopia though, if you know who to ask;

    http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1034922/ethiopian-tokyo-marathon-winner-negesse-reportedly-fails-drugs-test-for-meldonium
    There are suggestions that a Ukrainian doctor may have been involved in the transportation of the substance into Ethiopia.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    New revelations on the Russkies tonight from Hajo Seppelt/ARD
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Guardian follow-up on last nights ARD documentary: Russia should stay banned from Olympics

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/m ... tes-banned

    Meanwhile, a bit of Turkish dodginess from bio passport values:
    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/m ... amze-bulut
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Guardian follow-up on last nights ARD documentary: Russia should stay banned from Olympics

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/m ... tes-banned

    Meanwhile, a bit of Turkish dodginess from bio passport values:
    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/m ... amze-bulut

    To be honest I think the Russians should be banned for 4 years. No ifs or buts. Clearly they have absolutely no intention of changing their systemic ways. Other countries to follow suit.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the IAAF Exec council meeting this week.

    To be fair, they're really caught between a rock and a hard place. There's no way Russia can be allowed to compete in Rio, but the geopolitical fallout is far, far wider than a mere athletics competition. On top of that, they're setting precedents now that a few other countries might be getting nervous about.
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