Drugs in other sports and the media.

Richmond Racer 2

OCDuPalais wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

It's not that I'm trusting, it's that I can recognise British media bullsh1t when I see it. This is a nothing story dressed up as scandal. You need to turn some of your mistrust on journalists rather lapping up every story like a junkie.

Show me something he has done wrong beyond some crap PR or, the real sin for most of his accusers, being a Tory.

The Mail Online has got it in for somebody for being a Tory?

I was thinking more generally (particularly social media). But nevertheless journalists don't all hold a house opinion and the sports desk is separate from news/editorial. There will be a fair share of lefties at the Mail.

Now who's making allegations without any substance?
Besides; the political allegiance of journalists - made-up or known - is an irrelevance when the output is invariably edited to form right wing copy designed to rally the troops and provoke/dismay liberal sensibilities.

In this case with Coe - I think that there's an element of both views (yours and Joel's) being true: he's a bit whiffy AND the journo's are stirring it up.

Yeah, fair comment OCDP. Coe has dug himself a hole - and he only has himself to blame. He's also behaved like an absolute bell-end in his attitude towards the Stepanovs & Seppelt - - and I care a damn sight more about the Stepanovs than a bunch of primarily British self-regarding journos tbh

joelsim

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

It's not that I'm trusting, it's that I can recognise British media bullsh1t when I see it. This is a nothing story dressed up as scandal. You need to turn some of your mistrust on journalists rather lapping up every story like a junkie.

Show me something he has done wrong beyond some crap PR or, the real sin for most of his accusers, being a Tory.

The Mail Online has got it in for somebody for being a Tory?

I was thinking more generally (particularly social media). But nevertheless journalists don't all hold a house opinion and the sports desk is separate from news/editorial. There will be a fair share of lefties at the Mail.

Now who's making allegations without any substance?
Besides; the political allegiance of journalists - made-up or known - is an irrelevance when the output is invariably edited to form right wing copy designed to rally the troops and provoke/dismay liberal sensibilities.

In this case with Coe - I think that there's an element of both views (yours and Joel's) being true: he's a bit whiffy AND the journo's are stirring it up.

Yeah, fair comment OCDP. Coe has dug himself a hole - and he only has himself to blame. He's also behaved like an absolute bell-end in his attitude towards the Stepanovs & Seppelt - - and I care a damn sight more about the Stepanovs than a bunch of primarily British self-regarding journos tbh

So far he's put every step out of line. Denial, resentment, covering up, being economical with the truth, supporting the wrong people, not supporting/welcoming the right people and generally being smarmy, begrudging, belligerent, evasive and slimy.

Other than that he's doing well.

It's never the best thing to do to upset journos when you're less than squeaky clean.

joelsim

dupe

slim_boy_fat

Was always an Ovett man rather than Coe, so this may skew my view. I don't think he's the right person to lead the IAAF. I've got no proof but the smell around it all and his recent actions lead me to believe he knew a lot more than he is letting on. If I was a betting man I'd put money on him not being in the job this time next year.

awavey

Pinno wrote:

Yes, the Torygraph is good for sports journalism, you are quite correct..

I disagree on that IMO their cycling correspondent is the epitome of copy/paste chuck a bit of speculation journalism and then has the cheek to claim its an exclusive.

pinno

I rarely read about cycling in newspapers, so I wouldn't know but I was merely making the point that OCDuP had already made.

Mad_Malx

awavey wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Yes, the Torygraph is good for sports journalism, you are quite correct..

I disagree on that IMO their cycling correspondent is the epitome of copy/paste chuck a bit of speculation journalism and then has the cheek to claim its an exclusive.

I'm not aligned with the Torygraph's politics, but it has by far the best procycling coverage of the popular press (even if it's a low bar).

joelsim

Interesting piece on everyone's favourite game, tennis.

https://ewanmackenna.wordpress.com/2016 ... l-covered/

joelsim

Wow!

http://www.news.com.au/national/four-co ... 09faf0cc94

dish_dash

Manning wins the Super Bowl as bionic man apparently...
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2 ... super-bowl

RonB

Von Miller MVP. Happy happy joy joy.

dish_dash

Tennis umpires secretly banned. http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/f ... bling-scam

rick_chasey

Entertainment industry would rather not let the public behind the curtain shocker.

pinno

We have moved from drugs in sport to corruption?!

joelsim

Pinno wrote:

We have moved from drugs in sport to corruption?!

Ah well. Tennis innit.

No drugs. No.

pinno

Ten what?

joelsim

Pinno wrote:

Ten what?

Ten umpires? Ten players throwing matches? A ten minute break to take some drugs in the changing room? Ten players on the Puerto case?

pinno

Joelsim wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Ten what?

Ten umpires? Ten players throwing matches? A ten minute break to take some drugs in the changing room? Ten players on the Puerto case?

Now I understand the 'Ten' bit can you explain the 'nis' part? Ta.

ddraver

Dan Biggar returns from a game ending injury so quickly, even his team mates are calling him Lazarus...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/f ... ix-nations

The_Boy

ddraver wrote:

Dan Biggar returns from a game ending injury so quickly, even his team mates are calling him Lazarus...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/f ... ix-nations

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Rugby is a prime candidate for 'better preparation' and 'greater professionalism'.

Not to cast aspersions against Biggar, btw. More a general comment on the game and structure of the sport.

yorkshireraw

Candidate? I'd suggest it got the job some time ago and has rapidly progressed up the career ladder.

Pross

Whilst I agree on the rugby thing in general I don't see much of a link with the Biggar thing. I suspect everyone who has played rugby has had a knock that felt serious only for it to recover in a few days. The scrum half in my old team took a bang on the leg and was in such agony the game got stopped and an ambulance was called. He got carted away on oxygen with what everyone assumed to be a break. He was back training 3 days later, think it was some kind of bang on a nerve.

Pross

No mention of the Kenyans being the next to get the Russia treatment? Listening to the one athlete who admitted to injecting PEDs it was like being in cycling 10 years ago - yes, I did it but I had to because everyone else was - it's amazing that no-one ever admits to being the first offender that everyone else was keeping up with!

pinno

I can only presume that the Kenyans get loads of sponsorship money because there is very little money in Kenyan athletics. I am saying this because if there is endemic use of PED's, it ain't cheap.

joelsim

Pinno wrote:

I can only presume that the Kenyans get loads of sponsorship money because there is very little money in Kenyan athletics. I am saying this because if there is endemic use of PED's, it ain't cheap.

They aren't expensive on their own. Alongside a Dr Ferrari they can be.

pinno

Joelsim wrote:

Pinno wrote:

I can only presume that the Kenyans get loads of sponsorship money because there is very little money in Kenyan athletics. I am saying this because if there is endemic use of PED's, it ain't cheap.

They aren't expensive on their own. Alongside a Dr Ferrari they can be.

That wit does raise a point. Randomly taking PED's won't really be as effective as it could be, so therefore, to make the gains required to be top class (which they are), would require administrators and methods of testing and as you say, they aren't cheap. Which goes back to my original point.

Richmond Racer 2

There's actually much more money to be made in marathon running than cycling (apart from the very highest paid pros). As well as sponsorship from our old friend Nike, big prize money, generous appearance fees. Which you don't have to share with pesky team mates. Make a big wedge in a couple of years, and if you get popped, well you''de still made for life. Gamble well worth taking. Especially with doctors and foreign coaches prowling around Eldoret

pinno

Good point.

I never noticed much prowling around Eldoret, not even Froome.

yorkshireraw

Agree it maybe isn't as effective as it could be, without a svengali to plan a programme, but equally Cycling is a lot more nuanced than Marathon running. To win the TDF you're looking at making sure you're ready to be on top form as needs be, over 85 hours of effort, over 21 days. For Marathon running, as long as you know they're not glowing on day X, and have enough in the tank to go nuts for 2 hrs 4 minutes, that'll do.

Normally it wouldn't be fair to post the following without evidence, but it's Friday etc., so here goes:

I have it from media person A, that they had a very robust SMS conversation with recently retired major runner B, that B accused / knew current top runner C (from nation K), is a major instigator in encouraging PED use among their fellow countryman athletes, because of 1) the rewards and 2) the fact they laugh at those who don't use and benefit. Most annoying, if you believe all this, is that B has the profile to expose this but won't, because they also benefit in retirement through working on TV covering the events C etc compete in.

pinno

From Nation K?! What are you suggesting?

Joking aside, it fits the pattern of the media/sponsorship cycle that is occurring in America with certain sports. In fact, would it be safe to say that it is not simply the individuals desire to be successful, the whole industry surrounding any sport has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.