Drugs in other sports and the media.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19677288#p19677288]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:IAAF just announced the results of retro testing of samples from the 2005 & 2007 World Athletics Champs
32 AAFs from 28 athletes
http://www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/positive-retests-helsinki-2005-osaka-2007Due to the legal process, none of these athletes can be named yet.
My emphasis, be interesting to see when that is. Sadly, it won't catch the blood dopers or those that did it out of competition, but it is a start.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19677288#p19677288]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:IAAF just announced the results of retro testing of samples from the 2005 & 2007 World Athletics Champs
32 AAFs from 28 athletes
http://www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/positive-retests-helsinki-2005-osaka-2007Due to the legal process, none of these athletes can be named yet.
My emphasis, be interesting to see when that is. Sadly, it won't catch the blood dopers or those that did it out of competition, but it is a start.
And some of those who've retired are almost definitely still involved in athletics in some capacity eg coaching. Should lead to them being banned from coaching (alternatively, promoted to Minister of Sports, depending on the country in question)0 -
Be interesting to know how many athletes they retested. 28 has to be quite a high percentage.0
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Be interesting to know how many athletes they retested. 28 has to be quite a high percentage.
Some of them have already been banned for other ADRVs - I'll put money on a number of these AAFs being from Russian race-walkers and also the Ferrari client, Alex Schwazer0 -
I like pretty much all sport, but race walking really is one step too far.0
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We used to be based in a school of public health, so having done sports science research was what was notable to me![url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19676413#p19676413]Roberto di Velo[/url] wrote:Except isn't that exactly what does happen ? This data the Sunday Times has has even been used as corroborative evidence in suspensions.
I'm interested what background in sports science they have - I know plenty of people with sports science degrees I doubt any of them are any more qualified to give an opinion on this than I am.
I think we've got our wires a bit crossed here; I was more referring to the rumours that a well known athlete has an injunction on the release of their blood data (I should have clarified). Hence in this example, mates are saying that a few unusual results can't really prove doping. I'm sure the Sunday Times story is correct that historical blood data indicates much more widespread doping than we've seen punished. That said, I wonder how much of this is down to the judgement of those looking at the data and how much can actually be proven as clear indicators of cheating.
As to mates qualifications, both have PhD's and research experience in physiology, one used to do consultancy work with British Cycling and the other is a prof in blood cancers.
If your colleagues have specific expertise relating to blood values you should have said
No clearly that kind of background is relevant - I was assuming more a sports science BSc when you said a background in that discipline, but anyway...
No I don't think we were talking at cross purposes.
I agree to the extent that the blood values obtained by the Sunday Times may not provide sufficient evidence to sanction an athlete using that data alone. As I said it has already been used as corroborative evidence so clearly it is sufficient to cast serious doubt on the honesty of an athlete. I just read your post as casting a bit more doubt on the findings of the Sunday Times experts than perhaps is warranted.
It looks to me like the evidence is fairly clear about the scale of doping in that period but that if may not be possible to pin down the majority or even any of the individuals for sure because of possible explanations for unusual values in individual cases.
My approach to this kind of thing is that while I accept we have to adhere to a pretty high standard of evidence to start taking official action against anyone - stripping medals etc - as individuals we'd have to be naive not to have suspicions long before the evidence reached that level. I'm sure most of us suspected Lance Armstrong was doping long before it was proven to the satisfaction of the relevant authorities.
I think inevitably there are always a fair proportion of athletes getting away with doping in any era; this has been pretty well covered by say Richard Moore's The Dirtiest Race in History. Likewise, I think anyone in the know could probably reel off a list of athletes who are almost certainly on the pop, including the odd British one. But I don't think that until now anyone would have named the athlete who is currently sweating about their blood values coming out. Presumably, there was not sufficient evidence to make a case for any wrongdoing, but it looks like some iffy test results could ruin their reputation and career.
Like with Froome at the Tour, I think there is a danger of there being a witch hunt. By their very nature, champion athletes are always likely to be physiologically exception or unusual; I think Froome would be a good example of this. Whilst I think you have to respect Dr Ashenden's experience, I do wonder if he's like some policeman who have seen so much wrongdoing, they assume everyone they come into contact with is guilty.0 -
I like pretty much all sport, but race walking really is one step too far.
Only if the athlete has one foot on the ground. Otherwise it's a bound too far. And therefor running.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Well, I'll put a week's salary down that Kelly Sotherton will get upgraded to silver and Jess Ennis, bronze, for the 2007 Worlds.0
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Go on, Kelly!0
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No British athletes in the 28. Ms Blood-Values-All-Over-The-Place lives to fight another day.0
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Go on, Kelly!
Bloody Blonska. Got popped twice, the 2nd time from the 08 Olympics. Career doper. Robbed Sotherton of silver, and Ennis of a podium, in 2007.0 -
No British athletes in the 28. Ms Blood-Values-All-Over-The-Place lives to fight another day.
Or - as some of us phrase it - she wasn't juiced. And a gold medallist 'n all.0 -
No British athletes in the 28. Ms Blood-Values-All-Over-The-Place lives to fight another day.
Source?Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
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So it is.
*Removes "attention to detail " from CV*Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
So it is.
*Removes "attention to detail " from CV*j
Careful doing that: all my air traffic control temp work dried up when I did the same...0 -
Just a point about super injunctions - they can't actually prevent information being released in other jurisdictions. So in anything global they're pretty much worthless.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Linked by Dan Lloyd on twitter. Conte speaks.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/08/11/more-sports/conte-says-coverup-protected-big-stars-seoul-games/#.VcpaBiZVhBf0 -
Linked by Dan Lloyd on twitter. Conte speaks.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/08/11/more-sports/conte-says-coverup-protected-big-stars-seoul-games/#.VcpaBiZVhBf
Interesting read. Thanks for posting. Someone said in the Tom D thread that synthetic testosterone is very 90s. Apparently not!0 -
see no evil hear no Evil :evil:
nothing to see in cycling its just those loons in the clinic. you're not a scientist your opinion doesn't matter therefore there is no problem0 -
Super injunction, eh? Timing!Ben
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who is the british doper anyway?0
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Yes, because that's what everyone here says :roll:see no evil hear no Evil :evil:
nothing to see in cycling its just those loons in the clinic. you're not a scientist your opinion doesn't matter therefore there is no problem
I haven't seen a single person here say that doping in cycling doesn't exist. I think everyone agrees doping is still happening it's just nowhere near as bad as it once was.0 -
https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/627646203287568384
https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/627859925373317120
https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/629373655278092288
https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/628917353024131072
Yes I know it is Twitter but TRR is not a speculator, he often has good authority.0 -
David Jenkinswho is the british doper anyway?
Kris Akabusi. He was taking laughing gas years before Raheem Sterling.0 -
Linked by Dan Lloyd on twitter. Conte speaks.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/08/11/more-sports/conte-says-coverup-protected-big-stars-seoul-games/#.VcpaBiZVhBf
Interesting read. Thanks for posting. Someone said in the Tom D thread that synthetic testosterone is very 90s. Apparently not!
Flo Jo. that performance was completely unnatural. she changed in the course of 5 years and not just physically, her voice went down an octave, and she retired at her peak ( a deal was supposedly cut).
Victor Conte's a good source for finger waggers. he's got a lot of experience!0 -
Linked by Dan Lloyd on twitter. Conte speaks.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/08/11/more-sports/conte-says-coverup-protected-big-stars-seoul-games/#.VcpaBiZVhBf
Interesting read. Thanks for posting. Someone said in the Tom D thread that synthetic testosterone is very 90s. Apparently not!
Flo Jo. that performance was completely unnatural. she changed in the course of 5 years and not just physically, her voice went down an octave, and she retired at her peak ( a deal was supposedly cut).
Victor Conte's a good source for finger waggers. he's got a lot of experience!
You also have to treat what he comes out with, with a big dollop of salt. With him, its nuggets of truth buried amongst half-truths and a shedload of self-promotion and self-aggrandisement. There's a lot of Antoine Vayer about Conte.0 -
David Jenkinswho is the british doper anyway?
Kris Akabusi. He was taking laughing gas years before Raheem Sterling.
Awooga!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Here's Kris a few days ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02yq1jz0
