Drugs in other sports and the media.

cruff

SurferCyclist wrote:

Mo Farah def clean? You know this for sure of course? Not saying he isn't but these days I'm super sceptical which is crap but it's the way it is unfortunately.

Ermmmm... Whoooosh

larkim

I'm not sure there's anything in that Telegraph story. Basically it's a Russian athletics administrator (entirely trustworthy!!) reporting on the information which we know now is in the public domain that Farah's ABP appeared on a list which highlighted his samples at a point in time as being suspicious, and which were then followed up and determined "no further action".

I'm a bit of an apologist for people like Farah, so please feel free to take my views with a pinch of salt, but if you tie up that Telegraph story with the fancy Bears leaks I strongly suspect you'll find they are talking about the same thing.

Of course, if there is more evidence, bring it on - whether I'm a Farah fanboy or not, if he's proven to not be clean I'd be as keen as anyone to see him sanctioned.

dish_dash

Looks like Swimming Australia have been getting themselves in a muddle.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... est-sample

bobmcstuff

Was about to post about that.

Standard defiance from the Australian, I dont know how the bodybuilding drugs got in my system etc etc....

Alejandrosdog

bobmcstuff wrote:

Was about to post about that.

Standard defiance from the Australian, I dont know how the bodybuilding drugs got in my system etc etc....

I could have a good guess how they came to be in her body. Donated by the ghost twin she was romantically and nvolved with. Hence the dodgy dna in her body.

dish_dash

Pross wrote:

Surprised you haven't heard of SKINS before. Jamie Fuller is a self-styled crusader for ethics in sport and set up Change Cycling Now. He probably claims credit for bringing down McQuaid!

Just stumbled upon this little nugget, Skins filed for bankruptcy in January...
https://watercooler.skins.net/2019/01/1 ... om-jaimie/

twotoebenny

I expected to see this on here...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49230288

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49263769

Pross

dish_dash wrote:

Pross wrote:

Surprised you haven't heard of SKINS before. Jamie Fuller is a self-styled crusader for ethics in sport and set up Change Cycling Now. He probably claims credit for bringing down McQuaid!

Just stumbled upon this little nugget, Skins filed for bankruptcy in January...
https://watercooler.skins.net/2019/01/1 ... om-jaimie/

How can a company selling overpriced gear to mainly gullible triathletes go bankrupt?

ddraver

Now that you mention it I've not seen a skins product for years now...

Under Armour kinda wiped them off the map

gweeds

Seems legit :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... ed-dropped

Pross

Gweeds wrote:

Seems legit :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... ed-dropped

Sounds like they had no choice really, had USADA gone ahead he'd have gone to CAS and won presumably. USADA should go after him hard now though.

gsk82

Pross wrote:

Gweeds wrote:

Seems legit :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... ed-dropped

Sounds like they had no choice really, had USADA gone ahead he'd have gone to CAS and won presumably. USADA should go after him hard now though.

Hopefully it's a simple mistake and he'll now learn his lesson and keep it up to date.

cruff

gsk82 wrote:

Pross wrote:

Gweeds wrote:

Seems legit :roll:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... ed-dropped

Sounds like they had no choice really, had USADA gone ahead he'd have gone to CAS and won presumably. USADA should go after him hard now though.

Hopefully it's a simple mistake and he'll now learn his lesson and keep it up to date.

dolan_driver

TwoToeBenny wrote:

I expected to see this on here...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49230288

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49263769

Basically, they are saying he has illegal stuff in his system and they won't play him till it clears out of his body. Imagine if Froome or any other cyclist for that matter publicly admitted to such carry-on? Double standard as usual. :roll:

DD.

crossed

Noticed an intersting comment on the Guardian Ashes coverage:

4m ago
15:53
Jofrawatch Mikey Holding, chatting on Sky, makes the point that Jofra Archer has not bowled a 91mph delivery since the Lord’s Test. That’s a worry, and reinforces the perception that he was grossly overbowled on his debut. He might not be fully fit, either - I only found it this week that he had a painkilling injection before the Super Over in the World Cup final.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... ve-cricket

I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else. Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if it were a track cyclist having a pain killing injection between rounds in a World Cup race??

Alejandrosdog

Crossed wrote:

Noticed an intersting comment on the Guardian Ashes coverage:

4m ago
15:53
Jofrawatch Mikey Holding, chatting on Sky, makes the point that Jofra Archer has not bowled a 91mph delivery since the Lord’s Test. That’s a worry, and reinforces the perception that he was grossly overbowled on his debut. He might not be fully fit, either - I only found it this week that he had a painkilling injection before the Super Over in the World Cup final.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... ve-cricket

I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else. Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if it were a track cyclist having a pain killing injection between rounds in a World Cup race??

Its a bit different one is a brutal endurance sport and the other is something done around sandwiches on a Sunday afternoon. its what they do before bowls.

bompington

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Noticed an intersting comment on the Guardian Ashes coverage:

4m ago
15:53
Jofrawatch Mikey Holding, chatting on Sky, makes the point that Jofra Archer has not bowled a 91mph delivery since the Lord’s Test. That’s a worry, and reinforces the perception that he was grossly overbowled on his debut. He might not be fully fit, either - I only found it this week that he had a painkilling injection before the Super Over in the World Cup final.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... ve-cricket

I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else. Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if it were a track cyclist having a pain killing injection between rounds in a World Cup race??

Its a bit different one is a brutal endurance sport and the other is something done around sandwiches on a Sunday afternoon. its what they do before bowls.

I know you're just a troll, but it might pay to think, for a few seconds even, about what it takes to a) bowl at 90mph and b) be bowled at at 90mph.

RichN95.

bompington wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Noticed an intersting comment on the Guardian Ashes coverage:

4m ago
15:53
Jofrawatch Mikey Holding, chatting on Sky, makes the point that Jofra Archer has not bowled a 91mph delivery since the Lord’s Test. That’s a worry, and reinforces the perception that he was grossly overbowled on his debut. He might not be fully fit, either - I only found it this week that he had a painkilling injection before the Super Over in the World Cup final.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... ve-cricket

I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else. Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if it were a track cyclist having a pain killing injection between rounds in a World Cup race??

Its a bit different one is a brutal endurance sport and the other is something done around sandwiches on a Sunday afternoon. its what they do before bowls.

I know you're just a troll, but it might pay to think, for a few seconds even, about what it takes to a) bowl at 90mph and b) be bowled at at 90mph.

Fast bowlers can run over 20km per day

webboo

RichN95 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Noticed an intersting comment on the Guardian Ashes coverage:

4m ago
15:53
Jofrawatch Mikey Holding, chatting on Sky, makes the point that Jofra Archer has not bowled a 91mph delivery since the Lord’s Test. That’s a worry, and reinforces the perception that he was grossly overbowled on his debut. He might not be fully fit, either - I only found it this week that he had a painkilling injection before the Super Over in the World Cup final.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... ve-cricket

I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else. Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if it were a track cyclist having a pain killing injection between rounds in a World Cup race??

Its a bit different one is a brutal endurance sport and the other is something done around sandwiches on a Sunday afternoon. its what they do before bowls.

I know you're just a troll, but it might pay to think, for a few seconds even, about what it takes to a) bowl at 90mph and b) be bowled at at 90mph.

Fast bowlers can run over 20km per day

So they run over 12 miles in about 6 hours and the point is?

Alejandrosdog

bompington wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Noticed an intersting comment on the Guardian Ashes coverage:

4m ago
15:53
Jofrawatch Mikey Holding, chatting on Sky, makes the point that Jofra Archer has not bowled a 91mph delivery since the Lord’s Test. That’s a worry, and reinforces the perception that he was grossly overbowled on his debut. He might not be fully fit, either - I only found it this week that he had a painkilling injection before the Super Over in the World Cup final.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... ve-cricket

I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else. Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if it were a track cyclist having a pain killing injection between rounds in a World Cup race??

Its a bit different one is a brutal endurance sport and the other is something done around sandwiches on a Sunday afternoon. its what they do before bowls.

I know you're just a troll, but it might pay to think, for a few seconds even, about what it takes to a) bowl at 90mph and b) be bowled at at 90mph.

Now now dont be calling troll because someone has a different opinion, thats just childish. And yes i accept you might enjoy other sports like snooker for example or darts.

bompington

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Now now dont be calling troll because someone has a different opinion, thats just childish. And yes i accept you might enjoy other sports like snooker for example or darts.

Of course I didn't call you troll because you had a different opinion. I called you troll because you posted a load of complete mince, which I very much doubt you believe, just to be offensive. The allusion to the other "sports" does at least rise to mildly amusing trolling though.

I would love to see you facing Archer.

Alejandrosdog

bompington wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Now now dont be calling troll because someone has a different opinion, thats just childish. And yes i accept you might enjoy other sports like snooker for example or darts.

Of course I didn't call you troll because you had a different opinion. I called you troll because you posted a load of complete mince, which I very much doubt you believe, just to be offensive. The allusion to the other "sports" does at least rise to mildly amusing trolling though.

I would love to see you facing Archer.

But its not mince is it. Though it is of course your prerogative to be offended it wasn't my intention. Wouldnt mind facing Archer, as i understand it he may have peaked already.

bobmcstuff

If he needed injections simply in order to compete then yes that should be a big deal.

It is no different whatsoever from cyclists needing tramadol injections just to compete, and that was a big deal apparently.

awavey

Webboo wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Noticed an intersting comment on the Guardian Ashes coverage:

4m ago
15:53
Jofrawatch Mikey Holding, chatting on Sky, makes the point that Jofra Archer has not bowled a 91mph delivery since the Lord’s Test. That’s a worry, and reinforces the perception that he was grossly overbowled on his debut. He might not be fully fit, either - I only found it this week that he had a painkilling injection before the Super Over in the World Cup final.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... ve-cricket

I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else. Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if it were a track cyclist having a pain killing injection between rounds in a World Cup race??

Its a bit different one is a brutal endurance sport and the other is something done around sandwiches on a Sunday afternoon. its what they do before bowls.

I know you're just a troll, but it might pay to think, for a few seconds even, about what it takes to a) bowl at 90mph and b) be bowled at at 90mph.

Fast bowlers can run over 20km per day

So they run over 12 miles in about 6 hours and the point is?

its not the amount of running thats the problem its the final delivery stride, when your leading leg contacts the pitch and your full body weight transfers down through your leg, knee and foot as your arm swings over, fast bowlers are particularly prone to injuries in the knee as they generate so much force through it, and you are repeatedly impacting on it and your foot,

for instance David Lawrence was an England fast bowler nearly 30 years ago now, only played a few games for England on a tour in NZ as he came upto bowl the first ball of a new over, as he made the delivery stride, his kneecap shattered under the stress, the noise of the bone shattering was heard on the boundary,he never played for England again and had to retire fully from cricket when the knee broke down again.

fwiw I had read after the WC final Archer had been playing much of the tournament injured, obviously they werent going to release that info during the tournament, and had been given a pain killer to manage it.

so yeah its no different to football in that respect

cruff

Alejandrosdog wrote:

bompington wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Now now dont be calling troll because someone has a different opinion, thats just childish. And yes i accept you might enjoy other sports like snooker for example or darts.

Of course I didn't call you troll because you had a different opinion. I called you troll because you posted a load of complete mince, which I very much doubt you believe, just to be offensive. The allusion to the other "sports" does at least rise to mildly amusing trolling though.

I would love to see you facing Archer.

But its not mince is it. Though it is of course your prerogative to be offended it wasn't my intention. Wouldnt mind facing Archer, as i understand it he may have peaked already.

You really are a plum. If Archer sent anything down to you, you would literally sh*t your pants. I've faced mildly quick bowling before as a middle order batsman with little skill - anything above even 60mph with variable bounce is enough to put the fear of God into you. Archer giving you some 90mph chin music would give you PTSD. Pipe down about subjects you know nothing about

m.r.m.

So cycling as well then? :P




Just kidding, just kidding!

Alejandrosdog

Ok ok I get it, some people like cricket. But i stick to my guns, cricket is not an endurance sport.

Unless hours trying to stay awake on the boundry qualifies as endurance “sport”. Fishing is a sport too apparently.

Its quite a nice thing to watch and while away a day though.

amrushton

And now Smith is a legend/hero and that bit about organised cheating and blubbing because he got caught can be forgotten about

Tashman

awavey wrote:

Webboo wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Noticed an intersting comment on the Guardian Ashes coverage:

4m ago
15:53
Jofrawatch Mikey Holding, chatting on Sky, makes the point that Jofra Archer has not bowled a 91mph delivery since the Lord’s Test. That’s a worry, and reinforces the perception that he was grossly overbowled on his debut. He might not be fully fit, either - I only found it this week that he had a painkilling injection before the Super Over in the World Cup final.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... ve-cricket

I've not seen that mentioned anywhere else. Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if it were a track cyclist having a pain killing injection between rounds in a World Cup race??

Its a bit different one is a brutal endurance sport and the other is something done around sandwiches on a Sunday afternoon. its what they do before bowls.

I know you're just a troll, but it might pay to think, for a few seconds even, about what it takes to a) bowl at 90mph and b) be bowled at at 90mph.

Fast bowlers can run over 20km per day

So they run over 12 miles in about 6 hours and the point is?

its not the amount of running thats the problem its the final delivery stride, when your leading leg contacts the pitch and your full body weight transfers down through your leg, knee and foot as your arm swings over, fast bowlers are particularly prone to injuries in the knee as they generate so much force through it, and you are repeatedly impacting on it and your foot,

for instance David Lawrence was an England fast bowler nearly 30 years ago now, only played a few games for England on a tour in NZ as he came upto bowl the first ball of a new over, as he made the delivery stride, his kneecap shattered under the stress, the noise of the bone shattering was heard on the boundary,he never played for England again and had to retire fully from cricket when the knee broke down again.

fwiw I had read after the WC final Archer had been playing much of the tournament injured, obviously they werent going to release that info during the tournament, and had been given a pain killer to manage it.

so yeah its no different to football in that respect

Listening to the TMS pod this morning, Mark Wood was saying that they now use pressure plates as a part of the analysis and he's been measured putting 7 times his weight through the delivery stride. That's a lot of stress across those joints. I think as cyclists we forget how easy the sport is on the musculoskeletal system.

rick_chasey

Cricket has bigger cheating problems than doping.