Drugs in other sports and the media.

tonyf34

darkhairedlord wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

ShinyHelmut wrote:

But isn't Ross Tucker involved in SA rugby (albeit the sevens team)? I'm sure he would have nothing to do with doping.

It would be delicious if the squad he worked with got some doping convictions.

With rugby it's the pressure to be both big and fast, some of these guys are really really quick.

Alan Wells was big and fast so it can be done....

Alan Wells went from being a skinny middlin' long jumper - 6.51m* at the age of 23 in '75 which placed him last in a home nations international held in Wales, to a muscular 100/200m medalist in a relatively short space of time, according to his Scottish team mate he was a doper and https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot ... ug-5819050 I'm more suspicious of Wells than I am those rugby players in the photo.

Lynn Davies jumped 8.07 at 22 to win gold at Tokyo in '64 to compare.

tonyf34

bompington wrote:

tonyf34 wrote:

Also there's a significant difference between league and union, union is much more like gridiron nowadays in respect to it being a power based game, the nature of how it's played means there is a lot of stop/start and ball out of play periods.

Now there's one for the irony thread... remind me again, which code is it where they stop for a rest every time someone gets tackled?

So you admit to not knowing about either sport, okay then pal, how many games of either code have you played and what level was that at? I layed flanker in union and second row in league, though I haven't played seniors for a long while the last union game I played meant I was stood still a LOT more than when I ever played league. If you actually look at the facts with regards to ball in play at the top level there is a significant difference between league and union, even when the ball is in play in union a lot of players are either stood around doing nothing (the backs) whilst the forwards are doing power/strength stuff with not a lot of running about, hence why I've said they are generally bigger in the forwards than in league.
If you can't see the difference in either sport with regards to endurance over outright power then it's pointless discussing matters. If you'd bother reading and comprehending I'm actually defending the SA rugby union team and stating that there's more of a focus on outright power/strength based upon the way union is played hence why they are so muscular and that these guys will have been in the gym for circa 10 years if not more.

tonyf34

Rick Chasey wrote:

Now, NFL is a sport with a governing body that puts the UCI in the ‘90s to shame.

Though the rugby snobbishness over it is so wrong, but anyway.

Absolutely, though the US drug testing and administration is astill somewhat dodgy so it wouldn't surprise me that doping is still fairly prevelent, Baseball has been a laughing stock for decades with regards to ignoring doping controls and players on the gear.
Yes I agree, too often people who slag off NFL don't understand how much more brutal it is, hugely more injuries of all types particularly lower limb and of course the whole brain injury/helmet thing - which is very much related to helmets in cycling.
Septics saying they can't believe they tackle etc in rugby with no padding/helmet and would never play are a bit like cyclists who won't ride without a helmet at anything above pottering with the kids on a segregated path(if even that), utterly duped by people who have little to no understanding of risk and basic human psychology never mind any materials expertise.

darkhairedlord

tonyf34 wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

ShinyHelmut wrote:

But isn't Ross Tucker involved in SA rugby (albeit the sevens team)? I'm sure he would have nothing to do with doping.

It would be delicious if the squad he worked with got some doping convictions.

With rugby it's the pressure to be both big and fast, some of these guys are really really quick.

Alan Wells was big and fast so it can be done....

Alan Wells went from being a skinny middlin' long jumper - 6.51m* at the age of 23 in '75 which placed him last in a home nations international held in Wales, to a muscular 100/200m medalist in a relatively short space of time, according to his Scottish team mate he was a doper and https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot ... ug-5819050 I'm more suspicious of Wells than I am those rugby players in the photo.

Lynn Davies jumped 8.07 at 22 to win gold at Tokyo in '64 to compare.

Hence my tongue in my cheek.

bompington

tonyf34 wrote:

bompington wrote:

tonyf34 wrote:

Also there's a significant difference between league and union, union is much more like gridiron nowadays in respect to it being a power based game, the nature of how it's played means there is a lot of stop/start and ball out of play periods.

Now there's one for the irony thread... remind me again, which code is it where they stop for a rest every time someone gets tackled?

So you admit to not knowing about either sport, okay then pal, how many games of either code have you played and what level was that at? I layed flanker in union and second row in league, though I haven't played seniors for a long while the last union game I played meant I was stood still a LOT more than when I ever played league. If you actually look at the facts with regards to ball in play at the top level there is a significant difference between league and union, even when the ball is in play in union a lot of players are either stood around doing nothing (the backs) whilst the forwards are doing power/strength stuff with not a lot of running about, hence why I've said they are generally bigger in the forwards than in league.
If you can't see the difference in either sport with regards to endurance over outright power then it's pointless discussing matters. If you'd bother reading and comprehending I'm actually defending the SA rugby union team and stating that there's more of a focus on outright power/strength based upon the way union is played hence why they are so muscular and that these guys will have been in the gym for circa 10 years if not more.

Whoever would have guessed that a little tongue-in-cheek poke would bring out such an entertaining parody of northern chip-on-shoulderiness?

FTR I am equally bored by the way union tactics have become more and more "give the ball to a big man near the ruck to see if he can gain half a metre" as I am by the six tackle rule and its consequences.

Of course I know how long the ball is or isn't in play; but as an ex-prop I know that all those reset scrums aren't exactly an opportunity for everyone to rest, even if they are for the backs. And for the flankers who are practically backs anyway ;-)

darkhairedlord

bompington wrote:

tonyf34 wrote:

bompington wrote:

tonyf34 wrote:

Also there's a significant difference between league and union, union is much more like gridiron nowadays in respect to it being a power based game, the nature of how it's played means there is a lot of stop/start and ball out of play periods.

Now there's one for the irony thread... remind me again, which code is it where they stop for a rest every time someone gets tackled?

So you admit to not knowing about either sport, okay then pal, how many games of either code have you played and what level was that at? I layed flanker in union and second row in league, though I haven't played seniors for a long while the last union game I played meant I was stood still a LOT more than when I ever played league. If you actually look at the facts with regards to ball in play at the top level there is a significant difference between league and union, even when the ball is in play in union a lot of players are either stood around doing nothing (the backs) whilst the forwards are doing power/strength stuff with not a lot of running about, hence why I've said they are generally bigger in the forwards than in league.
If you can't see the difference in either sport with regards to endurance over outright power then it's pointless discussing matters. If you'd bother reading and comprehending I'm actually defending the SA rugby union team and stating that there's more of a focus on outright power/strength based upon the way union is played hence why they are so muscular and that these guys will have been in the gym for circa 10 years if not more.

Whoever would have guessed that a little tongue-in-cheek poke would bring out such an entertaining parody of northern chip-on-shoulderiness?

FTR I am equally bored by the way union tactics have become more and more "give the ball to a big man near the ruck to see if he can gain half a metre" as I am by the six tackle rule and its consequences.

Of course I know how long the ball is or isn't in play; but as an ex-prop I know that all those reset scrums aren't exactly an opportunity for everyone to rest, even if they are for the backs. And for the flankers who are practically backs anyway ;-)

They should just stick a squad weight limit on it. something like 90kg per player.

amrushton

South African Union player got busted this week for both A/B samples. The Union organisation say they are happy with their testing procedures - well they caught someone.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... -world-cup

gsk82

I can't find a general cycling drugs thread so here goes... Marion Sicot, who you've probably never heard of, has had a positive A sample for EPO. You may have heard of her coach though. You've certainly heard of his number 1 client, the world number 1 ranked male rider, who's also his brother.

redvision

gsk82 wrote:

I can't find a general cycling drugs thread so here goes... Marion Sicot, who you've probably never heard of, has had a positive A sample for EPO. You may have heard of her coach though. You've certainly heard of his number 1 client, the world number 1 ranked male rider, who's also his brother.

There is not really much of a link with that coach:

Grounds to investigate Franck Alaphilippe also seem thin. The Frenchwoman has said that he is not involved, as he had joined Deceuninck – Quick-Step before the French National Championships and was therefore not working with her, adding that he had only remotely coached her, emailing power data and exchanging training plans.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/raci ... ive-438177

Your comments sound like you are looking for a way to drag alaphilippe in to the investigation without cause... :roll:

RichN95.

redvision wrote:

There is not really much of a link with that coach:

Grounds to investigate Franck Alaphilippe also seem thin. The Frenchwoman has said that he is not involved, as he had joined Deceuninck – Quick-Step before the French National Championships and was therefore not working with her, adding that he had only remotely coached her, emailing power data and exchanging training plans.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/raci ... ive-438177

Your comments sound like you are looking for a way to drag alaphilippe in to the investigation without cause... :roll:

Even so there are still difficult questions that Ineos must answer. How did two of their riders beat a rider whose cousin e-mailed someone who took some drugs?

redvision

RichN95 wrote:

Even so there are still difficult questions that Ineos must answer. How did two of their riders beat a rider whose cousin e-mailed someone who took some drugs?

gsk82

redvision wrote:

gsk82 wrote:

I can't find a general cycling drugs thread so here goes... Marion Sicot, who you've probably never heard of, has had a positive A sample for EPO. You may have heard of her coach though. You've certainly heard of his number 1 client, the world number 1 ranked male rider, who's also his brother.

There is not really much of a link with that coach:

Grounds to investigate Franck Alaphilippe also seem thin. The Frenchwoman has said that he is not involved, as he had joined Deceuninck – Quick-Step before the French National Championships and was therefore not working with her, adding that he had only remotely coached her, emailing power data and exchanging training plans.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/raci ... ive-438177

Your comments sound like you are looking for a way to drag alaphilippe in to the investigation without cause... :roll:

No double standards then.

cruff

RichN95 wrote:

redvision wrote:

There is not really much of a link with that coach:

Grounds to investigate Franck Alaphilippe also seem thin. The Frenchwoman has said that he is not involved, as he had joined Deceuninck – Quick-Step before the French National Championships and was therefore not working with her, adding that he had only remotely coached her, emailing power data and exchanging training plans.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/raci ... ive-438177

Your comments sound like you are looking for a way to drag alaphilippe in to the investigation without cause... :roll:

Even so there are still difficult questions that Ineos must answer. How did two of their riders beat a rider whose cousin e-mailed someone who took some drugs?

Hat

Alejandrosdog

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/49805296

Bad bad russia.

amrushton

I'm shocked that Russia may be/are in the spotlight again!!

m.r.m.

Russia is the "a Florida man" of the doping world.

gweeds

Man who missed 3 drugs tests and got off on technicality absolutely owning 100m so far. Nothing to see here.

shinyhelmut

Gatlin and Blake are hardly paragons of virtue either.

gweeds

No. I did think that.

shinyhelmut

Coleman from Gatlin. I wonder how DeGrasse feels.

"It is an incredible time, it is a PB for me. I think the sky's the limit, I think I still have a lot of things I can work on and improve, I think I can keep dropping my time."

.

Well the obvious thing to work on and improve is filling out the ADAMS paperwork.

Alejandrosdog

Gweeds wrote:

Man who missed 3 drugs tests and got off on technicality absolutely owning 100m so far. Nothing to see here.

Christian Coleman defended himself against criticism over his three missed doping tests after his stunning win in the World Championships 100m final.

He said: "It's sad when people say the things they say when they don't really know me."

We know you missed three tests but one of them wasn't filed properly so you haven't made any infringement. We know you've personally beaten the system which you believe is designed to keep black men in Atlanta.


Meanwhile 37 year old Justin Gatlin has put his two drug bans behind and now wants to go for Olympic Gold.

darkhairedlord

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Gweeds wrote:

Man who missed 3 drugs tests and got off on technicality absolutely owning 100m so far. Nothing to see here.

Christian Coleman defended himself against criticism over his three missed doping tests after his stunning win in the World Championships 100m final.

He said: "It's sad when people say the things they say when they don't really know me."

We know you missed three tests but one of them wasn't filed properly so you haven't made any infringement. We know you've personally beaten the system which you believe is designed to keep black men in Atlanta.


Meanwhile 37 year old Justin Gatlin has put his two drug bans behind and now wants to go for Olympic Gold.

Lot of empty seats...

Pross

darkhairedlord wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Gweeds wrote:

Man who missed 3 drugs tests and got off on technicality absolutely owning 100m so far. Nothing to see here.

Christian Coleman defended himself against criticism over his three missed doping tests after his stunning win in the World Championships 100m final.

He said: "It's sad when people say the things they say when they don't really know me."

We know you missed three tests but one of them wasn't filed properly so you haven't made any infringement. We know you've personally beaten the system which you believe is designed to keep black men in Atlanta.


Meanwhile 37 year old Justin Gatlin has put his two drug bans behind and now wants to go for Olympic Gold.

Lot of empty seats...

I think that's more down to it being in Qatar than anything else. Sport chasing the money and ending up without the atmosphere of a major champs

darkhairedlord

Pross wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Gweeds wrote:

Man who missed 3 drugs tests and got off on technicality absolutely owning 100m so far. Nothing to see here.

Christian Coleman defended himself against criticism over his three missed doping tests after his stunning win in the World Championships 100m final.

He said: "It's sad when people say the things they say when they don't really know me."

We know you missed three tests but one of them wasn't filed properly so you haven't made any infringement. We know you've personally beaten the system which you believe is designed to keep black men in Atlanta.


Meanwhile 37 year old Justin Gatlin has put his two drug bans behind and now wants to go for Olympic Gold.

Lot of empty seats...

I think that's more down to it being in Qatar than anything else. Sport chasing the money and ending up without the atmosphere of a major champs

Fundamentally corrupt from the top down.

cruff

Pross wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Gweeds wrote:

Man who missed 3 drugs tests and got off on technicality absolutely owning 100m so far. Nothing to see here.

Christian Coleman defended himself against criticism over his three missed doping tests after his stunning win in the World Championships 100m final.

He said: "It's sad when people say the things they say when they don't really know me."

We know you missed three tests but one of them wasn't filed properly so you haven't made any infringement. We know you've personally beaten the system which you believe is designed to keep black men in Atlanta.


Meanwhile 37 year old Justin Gatlin has put his two drug bans behind and now wants to go for Olympic Gold.

Lot of empty seats...

I think that's more down to it being in Qatar than anything else. Sport chasing the money and ending up without the atmosphere of a major champs

Yeah. Now where have we seen that before...?

shinyhelmut

Now this is a surprise;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/49882757

It had all gone rather quiet. In no way does this detract from Sidan Hassan running the last 1500m of the world championship 10000m in sub 4 minutes of course.

Dorset_Boy

Sir Mo might be sitting a little uncomfortably this morning....

le_patron

Result for USADA, but the Nike angle needs explanation, if they were funding Salazar's defense then they would have thrown mega bucks at lawyers and they still lost. What's their position now...and that of USA track and field who took the sponsorship money ?

gweeds

It's also a bit odd for a sponsor to fund a coach's legal defence. Conflict of interest suggests they should step back and there needs to be some sort of wall between the sponsors and authorities.

Money talks though, none more so than in US sport.

shirley_basso

Not loudly enough this time, which is good.