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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    Normally I'm one to not advocate for people to lose their jobs for mistakes, which seems to be the go-to reaction for Twitter kn0bs. But in this instance, it's so misjudged and crass there's little defence.

    No need to worry. The media types have all clubbed together and decided to totally ignore it
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  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
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    Government minister in testosterone scandal...
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    WADA in becoming more of a joke shocker

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2018/ ... o-athlete/
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Gweeds wrote:
    WADA in becoming more of a joke shocker

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2018/ ... o-athlete/
    It's just bizarre.
    Macron became President at 38, Blair PM at 43, Kennedy President at 43. McNamara was President of Ford aged 34. Steve Jobs returned as Apple CEO aged 42. All too young.
    The President of Google is just old enough (by a few months) as is their CEO (46) but Mark Zuckerberg is over a decade away.
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  • dabber
    dabber Posts: 1,980
    RichN95 wrote:
    Gweeds wrote:
    WADA in becoming more of a joke shocker

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2018/ ... o-athlete/
    It's just bizarre.
    Macron became President at 38, Blair PM at 43, Kennedy President at 43. McNamara was President of Ford aged 34. Steve Jobs returned as Apple CEO aged 42. All too young.
    The President of Google is just old enough (by a few months) as is their CEO (46) but Mark Zuckerberg is over a decade away.

    If that's their position then I can only conclude they are not fit for purpose.... and I say this as one of advancing (if not already advanced) years.
    “You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”

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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    RichN95 wrote:
    Gweeds wrote:
    WADA in becoming more of a joke shocker

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2018/ ... o-athlete/
    It's just bizarre.
    Macron became President at 38, Blair PM at 43, Kennedy President at 43. McNamara was President of Ford aged 34. Steve Jobs returned as Apple CEO aged 42. All too young.
    The President of Google is just old enough (by a few months) as is their CEO (46) but Mark Zuckerberg is over a decade away.

    Its like tawdry rules based bullying you see in the trade union movement and the Labour party. "we'll change the rules so you cant win" or "lets encourage mass immigration from Africa an India so that the conservatives never win a seat in London again.

    Completely misses the point.
  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    So that's a "potential" list of criteria which "could" be adopted and WADA officials themselves confirming that they have not put the proposal forward. A bit harsh to be flaying WADA for matters not yet concluded (though TBH they have left themselves open to that accusation).
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  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    The fact that it's even being entertained after the Russian re-entry fiasco says it all.

    WADA are pointless, useless and they've lost the faith of the athletes.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Gweeds wrote:
    The fact that it's even being entertained after the Russian re-entry fiasco says it all.

    WADA are pointless, useless and they've lost the faith of the athletes.

    Im not sure if thats right. I think the people running the organisation have undermined its ability to deliver its objectives and they certainly appear toact in an autocratic way.

    Im not sure that WADA was ever set up to be an athlete advocate organisation.
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    OUR VISION

    A world where all athletes can compete in a doping-free sporting environment.

    Not much good if those athletes have zero faith in what you're doing.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    thats very true Gweeds
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Asthma scandal

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/46273307
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Imagine that, a failed test that followed the procedures correctly and we have therefore only heard about it a year after the test took place.

    Had he had a previous ban? 4 years seems a lot for a first offence.
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438
    Pross wrote:
    Imagine that, a failed test that followed the procedures correctly and we have therefore only heard about it a year after the test took place.

    Had he had a previous ban? 4 years seems a lot for a first offence.

    Pretty sure it was in the news briefly when he tested +ve

    Yes: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... -athletics
  • jimmocrates
    jimmocrates Posts: 131
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46324213

    Come on people,its only multiple steroid injections prior to the biggest game in club football.
    I think specialist sports doctors for the worlds biggest football teams often get muddled with their corticosteroids.
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    I'm not sure if this was posted already but given that it's football, there obviously is nothing to see here. Move along!

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... egulations

    DD.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Dolan Driver wrote:
    I'm not sure if this was posted already but given that it's football, there obviously is nothing to see here. Move along!

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... egulations

    DD.

    It's the post above yours.

    System seems to be wrong, if you are a professional and on a TUE / medication then it should already be logged, not wait until you are tested and need to fill out a form

    Is there any performance enhancement from taking this ?
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,574
    sherer wrote:
    Dolan Driver wrote:
    I'm not sure if this was posted already but given that it's football, there obviously is nothing to see here. Move along!

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... egulations

    DD.

    It's the post above yours.

    System seems to be wrong, if you are a professional and on a TUE / medication then it should already be logged, not wait until you are tested and need to fill out a form

    Is there any performance enhancement from taking this ?

    Presumably he wouldn't have been able to start without the injections, so pretty mahoosive performance enhancement I'd say.
  • jimmocrates
    jimmocrates Posts: 131
    If it wasn't to enhance his performance,what possible other reason would you have for injecting steroids before champions league final?
    Steroids would have reduced inflammation and joint pain.Especially in a 30+ yr old.
    Nice to see he views this as "standard medical treatment" though.
    Making out it's commonplace in his team/competitors doesn't make it sound any better

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46330624
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Jimmocrates wrote:
    If it wasn't to enhance his performance,what possible other reason would you have for injecting steroids before champions league final?
    Steroids would have reduced inflammation and joint pain.Especially in a 30+ yr old.
    Nice to see he views this as "standard medical treatment" though.
    Making out it's commonplace in his team/competitors doesn't make it sound any better

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46330624
    I would say that there's a difference between 'performance enhancing', which improves a person's peak performance, and 'performance enabling', which allows a person to perform to their normal level (or close to it).

    Pro sport isn't healthy. Injuries are frequent and normal and often persistent. In some sports no-one's ever fully fit. Now the likes of football and rugby may have become too reliant on pain killers, but at least they can have a mature conversation about, unlike cycling and its current state of hysteria about any basic medical remedy.
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  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    RichN95 wrote:
    Jimmocrates wrote:
    If it wasn't to enhance his performance,what possible other reason would you have for injecting steroids before champions league final?
    Steroids would have reduced inflammation and joint pain.Especially in a 30+ yr old.
    Nice to see he views this as "standard medical treatment" though.
    Making out it's commonplace in his team/competitors doesn't make it sound any better

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46330624
    I would say that there's a difference between 'performance enhancing', which improves a person's peak performance, and 'performance enabling', which allows a person to perform to their normal level (or close to it).
    So, basically, Salbutamol? :P
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  • jimmocrates
    jimmocrates Posts: 131
    RichN95 wrote:
    Jimmocrates wrote:
    If it wasn't to enhance his performance,what possible other reason would you have for injecting steroids before champions league final?
    Steroids would have reduced inflammation and joint pain.Especially in a 30+ yr old.
    Nice to see he views this as "standard medical treatment" though.
    Making out it's commonplace in his team/competitors doesn't make it sound any better

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46330624
    I would say that there's a difference between 'performance enhancing', which improves a person's peak performance, and 'performance enabling', which allows a person to perform to their normal level (or close to it).

    Pro sport isn't healthy. Injuries are frequent and normal and often persistent. In some sports no-one's ever fully fit. Now the likes of football and rugby may have become too reliant on pain killers, but at least they can have a mature conversation about, unlike cycling and its current state of hysteria about any basic medical remedy.

    You are right,Rich and my comment is partly flippant.
    But it does come across as arrogance from Ramos/real madrid in this case to just brush it off as the norm.
    The rules have to be there to protect the athlete and the sport.
    If a pro needed steroids for addisons/crohns/colitis then no problem. This does not seem like specific medical need though and it is only intended to enhance his pergormance/reduce inflammation during the match.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    RichN95 wrote:
    Jimmocrates wrote:
    If it wasn't to enhance his performance,what possible other reason would you have for injecting steroids before champions league final?
    Steroids would have reduced inflammation and joint pain.Especially in a 30+ yr old.
    Nice to see he views this as "standard medical treatment" though.
    Making out it's commonplace in his team/competitors doesn't make it sound any better

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46330624
    I would say that there's a difference between 'performance enhancing', which improves a person's peak performance, and 'performance enabling', which allows a person to perform to their normal level (or close to it).

    Pro sport isn't healthy. Injuries are frequent and normal and often persistent. In some sports no-one's ever fully fit. Now the likes of football and rugby may have become too reliant on pain killers, but at least they can have a mature conversation about, unlike cycling and its current state of hysteria about any basic medical remedy.

    Except of course that performance enabling has the effect of performance enhancing and even if it were the case that Performance enabling were acceptable the reality is that people would use it as an avenue to cheat, at best its a grey area ppen to abuse.

    Like wiggins did when he cheated himself to tdf victory.
  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Jimmocrates wrote:
    If it wasn't to enhance his performance,what possible other reason would you have for injecting steroids before champions league final?
    Steroids would have reduced inflammation and joint pain.Especially in a 30+ yr old.
    Nice to see he views this as "standard medical treatment" though.
    Making out it's commonplace in his team/competitors doesn't make it sound any better

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46330624
    I would say that there's a difference between 'performance enhancing', which improves a person's peak performance, and 'performance enabling', which allows a person to perform to their normal level (or close to it).

    Pro sport isn't healthy. Injuries are frequent and normal and often persistent. In some sports no-one's ever fully fit. Now the likes of football and rugby may have become too reliant on pain killers, but at least they can have a mature conversation about, unlike cycling and its current state of hysteria about any basic medical remedy.

    Except of course that performance enabling has the effect of performance enhancing and even if it were the case that Performance enabling were acceptable the reality is that people would use it as an avenue to cheat, at best its a grey area ppen to abuse.

    Like wiggins did when he cheated himself to tdf victory.
    Give it a rest ffs
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,235
    Oh no, it's the off season. Fast fwd to the spring classics please...
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    It’s like a cycling equivalent of Godwin’s Law

    No matter the discussion at hand, at some point Vino’sGhost will mention Wiggins and the TDF.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    I think we should club together and buy Vino a ticket to Wiggins's one man show.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    I think he's more obsessed with RichN95, to be honest
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    :lol: :roll:
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    Gweeds wrote:
    It’s like a cycling equivalent of Godwin’s Law

    No matter the discussion at hand, at some point Vino’sGhost will mention Wiggins and the TDF.

    It's more like Tourettes. Much like every time I see Vino'sGhost has posted about not liking dopers, I try to mention Valverde. I just can't help it.

    See?

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