Drugs in other sports and the media.

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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Just illustrates the silliness of positions adopted by pro cycling and its "supporters". Surely anything the average Joe in the street can buy OTC in a pharmacy without prescription should be no problem? No problem to Joe, why should it be a problem to Joe who happens to be a pro cyclist rather than a pro rugby player?

    Sport for some people is about rules

    for others its about doing it the right way

    for others its just about winning.

    Ive noticed Joe Publics attitude is liable to change to suit the circumstances :lol:
    Is Tramadol available OTC?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,235
    Tramadol is prescription only in UK. Unless of course you respond to one of our frequent spammer visitors.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    orraloon wrote:
    Tramadol is prescription only in UK. Unless of course you respond to one of our frequent spammer visitors.
    Yeah, was kind of my point (well I thought it was prescription only but wasn't about to look it up...). The outrage over injected tramadol is a bit different to someone popping a couple of ibuprofen (assuming that is what it was).
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    theres nothing wrong with tramadol :)

    It carries the Vino stamp of approval
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,235
    Dan Roan, and this time it's not about cycling. WADA shenanigans.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/45840481
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    orraloon wrote:
    Dan Roan, and this time it's not about cycling. WADA shenanigans.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/45840481
    Watching that I'd suggest that what she suffered probably wasn't anything specific to do with her, but more a typical dismissive attitude to a woman by men in power.
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    Usain Bolt is pissing and moaning on Instagram that he's been given notice that he could be drug tested. He says he's not even professional yet so why should he be tested. Pratt.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    gsk82 wrote:
    Usain Bolt is pissing and moaning on Instagram that he's been given notice that he could be drug tested. He says he's not even professional yet so why should he be tested. Pratt.

    you'd have thought a pro sportsman could see where the testers are coming from
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    gsk82 wrote:
    Usain Bolt is pissing and moaning on Instagram that he's been given notice that he could be drug tested. He says he's not even professional yet so why should he be tested. Pratt.
    I can see his point. He's a ex athlete who is just messing about playing some friendlies as a publicity stunt. I don't think he's intending to actually play proper games. And he probably doesn't realise that lowly nobodies get tested too.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    RichN95 wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    Usain Bolt is pissing and moaning on Instagram that he's been given notice that he could be drug tested. He says he's not even professional yet so why should he be tested. Pratt.
    I can see his point. He's a ex athlete who is just messing about playing some friendlies as a publicity stunt. I don't think he's intending to actually play proper games. And he probably doesn't realise that lowly nobodies get tested too.


    Rubbish, hes on a trial.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    Make him give whereabouts information for 6 months before he's allowed to play. Maybe he should've signed for a Jamaican team where there's no risk of him been tested
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    There's lots of talk of drugs in other sports, but not so much of in the media as the title invites.

    Anyway, today Richard Bacon was given his Blue Peter badge back, twenty years after being stripped of it for snorting coke. Now that's a proper suspension.
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  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    RichN95 wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    Usain Bolt is pissing and moaning on Instagram that he's been given notice that he could be drug tested. He says he's not even professional yet so why should he be tested. Pratt.
    I can see his point. He's a ex athlete who is just messing about playing some friendlies as a publicity stunt. I don't think he's intending to actually play proper games. And he probably doesn't realise that lowly nobodies get tested too.

    well I think even in a friendly set of games, to play he has to be registered to the club,and its a professional club in the top league in Australia who are themselves registered with the federation and signed up to their anti doping codes, and he's being offered professional contracts as well and the whole thing is about him trying to turn professional, actually in football I dont think theres a difference between being a professional (ie paid to play by contract )and being someone without a contract on a free trial (which he currently is), so yeah just because the standard is low doesnt mean they dont get drug tested. I think even amateur players in the UK can get drug tested, thats often where the FA like to say they tackle it at all levels

    and wasnt that the whole thing that came out about being a BC member when some cat 3 rider got busted for refusing a doping test, if you raced even at some minor backwater club event as a member of BC you signed upto the anti doping code and can be tested just like any pro rider
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: thats more like it :)
    RichN95 wrote:
    There's lots of talk of drugs in other sports, but not so much of in the media as the title invites.

    Anyway, today Richard Bacon was given his Blue Peter badge back, twenty years after being stripped of it for snorting coke. Now that's a proper suspension.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    awavey wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    Usain Bolt is pissing and moaning on Instagram that he's been given notice that he could be drug tested. He says he's not even professional yet so why should he be tested. Pratt.
    I can see his point. He's a ex athlete who is just messing about playing some friendlies as a publicity stunt. I don't think he's intending to actually play proper games. And he probably doesn't realise that lowly nobodies get tested too.

    well I think even in a friendly set of games, to play he has to be registered to the club,and its a professional club in the top league in Australia who are themselves registered with the federation and signed up to their anti doping codes, and he's being offered professional contracts as well and the whole thing is about him trying to turn professional, actually in football I dont think theres a difference between being a professional (ie paid to play by contract )and being someone without a contract on a free trial (which he currently is), so yeah just because the standard is low doesnt mean they dont get drug tested. I think even amateur players in the UK can get drug tested, thats often where the FA like to say they tackle it at all levels

    and wasnt that the whole thing that came out about being a BC member when some cat 3 rider got busted for refusing a doping test, if you raced even at some minor backwater club event as a member of BC you signed upto the anti doping code and can be tested just like any pro rider


    refusing to get tested as a third cat??? Why???? unless youre on the gear and or coke. I suspect theres a lot of that.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    awavey wrote:
    and wasnt that the whole thing that came out about being a BC member when some cat 3 rider got busted for refusing a doping test, if you raced even at some minor backwater club event as a member of BC you signed upto the anti doping code and can be tested just like any pro rider


    refusing to get tested as a third cat??? Why???? unless youre on the gear and or coke. I suspect theres a lot of that.

    If you're a third cat the only reason they would test you is because they already have some pretty solid evidence against you. There's not a lot of random testing at your typical 3/4s...
  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    Never seen a test at a 3/4. Or a 2/3 for that matter. I do have my suspicions about a couple of local riders, and feel that they will be popped at some point. Pretty sure anyone who races will know a few riders in the scene who don't seem legit
    Fat chopper. Some racing. Some testing. Some crashing.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    nope i never saw any testing. more chance of being tested at a CTT time trial.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Cruff wrote:
    Never seen a test at a 3/4. Or a 2/3 for that matter. I do have my suspicions about a couple of local riders, and feel that they will be popped at some point. Pretty sure anyone who races will know a few riders in the scene who don't seem legit

    They turned up for testing at a 1/2/3 race I organised (early 90s before 4th cat was invented) but I think they were targeting some of the 1st cats who were riding at international level. One failed for something he said was in a hayfever treatment and got banned.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    awavey wrote:
    and wasnt that the whole thing that came out about being a BC member when some cat 3 rider got busted for refusing a doping test, if you raced even at some minor backwater club event as a member of BC you signed upto the anti doping code and can be tested just like any pro rider


    refusing to get tested as a third cat??? Why???? unless youre on the gear and or coke. I suspect theres a lot of that.

    If you're a third cat the only reason they would test you is because they already have some pretty solid evidence against you. There's not a lot of random testing at your typical 3/4s...

    If there was solid evidence and you were still only a third cat I would be quitting the drugs and asking for a refund and doubt you'd be justifying any of UKAD's limited resources. That said they turn up at low level rugby quite regularly for intelligence led testing (easy catches a cynic might say!).
  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    ah sorry got my wires slightly crossed :oops: the Cat 3 was a USADA test & ban, so not a BC member obviously and I dont know if their categories align with the UK, it is the CTT time trials they do test amateurs at for sure.

    though there was this guy https://road.cc/content/news/209429-ama ... doping-ban who claimed he had never raced got a visit from UKAD after a tip off when a package of testosterone& nandrolone he'd ordered was intercepted
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    Tony the belly bellew is now complaining about been tested 5 times in 7 weeks. He's also complaining that he gets tested at 6am. If he doesn't like it he could always change his whereabouts times to a bit later.

    There's been a lot of articles like this on the BBC recently but no insinuating comments with them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/45887431
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    gsk82 wrote:
    Tony the belly bellew is now complaining about been tested 5 times in 7 weeks. He's also complaining that he gets tested at 6am. If he doesn't like it he could always change his whereabouts times to a bit later.

    There's been a lot of articles like this on the BBC recently but no insinuating comments with them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/45887431
    agreed.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    awavey wrote:
    ah sorry got my wires slightly crossed :oops: the Cat 3 was a USADA test & ban, so not a BC member obviously and I dont know if their categories align with the UK, it is the CTT time trials they do test amateurs at for sure.

    though there was this guy https://road.cc/content/news/209429-ama ... doping-ban who claimed he had never raced got a visit from UKAD after a tip off when a package of testosterone& nandrolone he'd ordered was intercepted


    Ha what a plonker.

    I never gave a hoot about getting caught cheating when i was riding (at a very amateur level) because A they never tested and B i never knowingly took drugs either PED or social anyway . If i gave a positive it would have been from something i was eating or otc cold remedy or something and frankly if i had a cold i had a lemsip.

    thinking back i imagine the weekly kebab would have contained all sorts

    Quite why professional athletes bleat about being tested is beyond me.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Not exactly on topic, but I had to laugh when I came across something in this slightly interesting article:
    The Telegraph wrote:
    "Exhaustive research from sports scientists such as Ross Tucker has shown..."
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    gsk82 wrote:
    Tony the belly bellew is now complaining about been tested 5 times in 7 weeks. He's also complaining that he gets tested at 6am. If he doesn't like it he could always change his whereabouts times to a bit later.

    There's been a lot of articles like this on the BBC recently but no insinuating comments with them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/45887431
    The bit in bold seems to be where his complaint is. He has specified a later time, but keep turning up at 6am anyway - which they do have the right to do, but is somewhat unnecessary.
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  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,699
    RichN95 wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    Tony the belly bellew is now complaining about been tested 5 times in 7 weeks. He's also complaining that he gets tested at 6am. If he doesn't like it he could always change his whereabouts times to a bit later.

    There's been a lot of articles like this on the BBC recently but no insinuating comments with them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/45887431
    The bit in bold seems to be where his complaint is. He has specified a later time, but keep turning up at 6am anyway - which they do have the right to do, but is somewhat unnecessary.
    So, a professional sportsman who got paid 2.8 Million pounds for losing a fight complains about the conditions of his chosen profession? And being woken up at 6am a few times?

    Boohoo. What a princess.
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  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    RichN95 wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    Tony the belly bellew is now complaining about been tested 5 times in 7 weeks. He's also complaining that he gets tested at 6am. If he doesn't like it he could always change his whereabouts times to a bit later.

    There's been a lot of articles like this on the BBC recently but no insinuating comments with them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/45887431
    The bit in bold seems to be where his complaint is. He has specified a later time, but keep turning up at 6am anyway - which they do have the right to do, but is somewhat unnecessary.

    I think (could be wrong) that....

    If they turn up outside the specified time window & place, he doesn't have to necessarily be there, so doesn't get flagged as not providing a sample, UNLESS the doping officers speak / see him and identify themselves and request a sample, which is subsequently refused or not provided (the Rio Ferdinand situation).

    If they're knocking on his door at 6am, and his time is specified as 8-9am, he should get someone else to answer the door and say he's not available. Testers can either wait to see if he appears and make themselves known to him, or wait till 8am and knock again - not appearing at that point would chalk up a missed test.
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    Having said that, 5 tests in 7 weeks seems a bit targeted so maybe they've got some intel and are trying to hit the right window.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    YorkshireRaw wrote:
    Having said that, 5 tests in 7 weeks seems a bit targeted so maybe they've got some intel and are trying to hit the right window.
    They only fight once or twice a year. That's the period they'd be doping. They have considerable down time in between when doping would be mostly pointless.
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