Drugs in other sports and the media.
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No tA Doctor wrote:RichN95 wrote:
I'm pretty sure these guys are clean: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/24948510rayjay wrote:I cannot think of a sport where athletes have not doped. Even snookers players were taking stuff .
Can anyone think of a clean sport?
Nah. Ketamine.
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No tA Doctor wrote:RichN95 wrote:
I'm pretty sure these guys are clean: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/24948510rayjay wrote:I cannot think of a sport where athletes have not doped. Even snookers players were taking stuff .
Can anyone think of a clean sport?
Nah. Ketamine.
Surely with your avi and the choice of drug it should be:
Neigh. Ketamine?
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The BBC news had a piece about the WADA code change last night and I said out load, "I wonder what sport they ll use to show this then" expecting the Lance on the Champs shot but no it was all abut running in Jamaica and Kenya
Fair enough...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I'm not sure Kenyans need to dope (either that or the general populace need testing!)
http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/649460-kenyan-villagers-out-run-2-cheetahs-and-capture-them-alive.html0 -
Pross wrote:I'm not sure Kenyans need to dope (either that or the general populace need testing!)
http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/649460-kenyan-villagers-out-run-2-cheetahs-and-capture-them-alive.html
Ah... extraordinary thermoregulation - our true gift as a species.
Falk's 'Radiator Theory' of brain evolution suggests that we only became smart as a bi-product of evolutionary changes to improve our ability to cope with temperature extremes. Basically the human brain got better at handling the heat (making us supreme hunters) and as a side-effect the increased blood flow made the rest of the brain grow too.0 -
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Richmond Racer wrote:
To be honest, I don't see the point. Better to let this generation know that if you cheat we will find out, if not now then in the future,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, when machines rule.0 -
Sometimes, you really do wonder...0
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Isn't that what they are doing by retesting? No hiding place. I suspect there will be many Olympic athletes quaking in their boots right now including Jamaican ones.0
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Joelsim wrote:Isn't that what they are doing by retesting? No hiding place. I suspect there will be many Olympic athletes quaking in their boots right now including Jamaican ones.
I agree with the importance of re-testing. My comment above was more on the previous post. Re-test away. Also worth some people bearing in mind that a good number of athletes are still competing 8 years after a major event or championship.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Isn't that what they are doing by retesting? No hiding place. I suspect there will be many Olympic athletes quaking in their boots right now including Jamaican ones.
No matter what happens, a certain Jamaican athlete will never test positive*. There are too many people who stand to lose a lot of money, and it would be a blow that athletics would take years to receover from, so it will never happen. He really is too big to fail.
*of course he could test positive, but would never be made publicIt's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Salsiccia1 wrote:Joelsim wrote:Isn't that what they are doing by retesting? No hiding place. I suspect there will be many Olympic athletes quaking in their boots right now including Jamaican ones.
No matter what happens, a certain Jamaican athlete will never test positive*. There are too many people who stand to lose a lot of money, and it would be a blow that athletics would take years to receover from, so it will never happen. He really is too big to fail.
*of course he could test positive, but would never be made public
I'm pretty sure people used to say the same thing about Lance...0 -
^this.
Also Joelsim, the Jamaicans athletes wont be quaking over this retest exercise as its retesting samples from the 2006 Turin Winter Olympics - no Jamaican team that year, not even Cool Runnings bobsleigh-stylie team0 -
Imposter wrote:Salsiccia1 wrote:Joelsim wrote:Isn't that what they are doing by retesting? No hiding place. I suspect there will be many Olympic athletes quaking in their boots right now including Jamaican ones.
No matter what happens, a certain Jamaican athlete will never test positive*. There are too many people who stand to lose a lot of money, and it would be a blow that athletics would take years to receover from, so it will never happen. He really is too big to fail.
*of course he could test positive, but would never be made public
I'm pretty sure people used to say the same thing about Lance...
UB is much, much bigger than Lance. To the IAAF, IOC, Jamaica, without the myriad sponsors.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Salsiccia1 wrote:Imposter wrote:Salsiccia1 wrote:Joelsim wrote:Isn't that what they are doing by retesting? No hiding place. I suspect there will be many Olympic athletes quaking in their boots right now including Jamaican ones.
No matter what happens, a certain Jamaican athlete will never test positive*. There are too many people who stand to lose a lot of money, and it would be a blow that athletics would take years to receover from, so it will never happen. He really is too big to fail.
*of course he could test positive, but would never be made public
I'm pretty sure people used to say the same thing about Lance...
UB is much, much bigger than Lance. To the IAAF, IOC, Jamaica, without the myriad sponsors.
yep - substitute 'IAAF', 'IOC' and 'Jamaica' for 'UCI', 'USPS' and 'USA' (leave the sponsor bit in) and we start to see a pattern emerging....0 -
UB has been smashing records to pieces since he was a youngster. His times are not suspicious at all if you look at his history. He does have a proven track record. The fact that Ben J got busted after winning a gold medal, I doubt they would let UB get away with it.
Now if he played for a top flight football team things might be different.0 -
Imposter wrote:Salsiccia1 wrote:Imposter wrote:Salsiccia1 wrote:Joelsim wrote:Isn't that what they are doing by retesting? No hiding place. I suspect there will be many Olympic athletes quaking in their boots right now including Jamaican ones.
No matter what happens, a certain Jamaican athlete will never test positive*. There are too many people who stand to lose a lot of money, and it would be a blow that athletics would take years to receover from, so it will never happen. He really is too big to fail.
*of course he could test positive, but would never be made public
I'm pretty sure people used to say the same thing about Lance...
UB is much, much bigger than Lance. To the IAAF, IOC, Jamaica, without the myriad sponsors.
yep - substitute 'IAAF', 'IOC' and 'Jamaica' for 'UCI', 'USPS' and 'USA' (leave the sponsor bit in) and we start to see a pattern emerging....
I see your point entirely, but I don't think it would ever happen.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
rayjay wrote:UB has been smashing records to pieces since he was a youngster. His times are not suspicious at all if you look at his history. He does have a proven track record. The fact that Ben J got busted after winning a gold medal, I doubt they would let UB get away with it.
Now if he played for a top flight football team things might be different.
That proves he's clean then. No precedent for athletes being on a doping programme from youth days onwards (cough - Ricco; cough - Pantani).
UB probably wouldn't ever get sanctioned for reasons stated above. If he had been doping, with the net closing in we'd more likely just see his times drop by a couple of tenths of a second for no obvious reason as he approached what should be his peak....0 -
I disagree . I think they would out him if he was. I can't disagree with your other points. Very Valid.0
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Will they be retesting samples from the 2008 games too or just the winter Olympics?0
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phreak wrote:Will they be retesting samples from the 2008 games too or just the winter Olympics?
Re whats been announced, just the 06 Winter Games. Its because next year is the last chance to do so within the current WADA Code's SoL of 8 years. This will increase to 10 years when the new Code becomes effective Jan 2015 - so there's plenty of time left to test the '08 samples. Its worth leaving it as long as possible so that the labs can make the most of advances in detection.0 -
Presumably they'd want to catch people that are still competing though rather than those that had retired? For instance, it would appear more beneficial to catch Usain Bolt than it would Michael Phelps (as an example)0
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phreak wrote:Presumably they'd want to catch people that are still competing though rather than those that had retired? For instance, it would appear more beneficial to catch Usain Bolt than it would Michael Phelps (as an example)
Well, as Phelps has just re-entered the testing pool in case he wants to reverse his decision, and shoot for Rio after all....
From everything I've read, I think its a balancing act between re-testing to use the very latest possible detection methods, with the act of re-testing as a deterrent. After all, they're not retesting all of the samples collected - only 350 of them. No idea what that represents as % of all samples taken but according to trusty Wiki, 2,508 athletes competed at those Games.0 -
Say some kind of sports supplement that someone has taken becomes illegal before some of the re-testing. Have measures been put into place for that. I don't like retesting, contamination , is one reason. IMO tests should be of the moment.0
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The samples will only be judged according to the rules and standards at the time they were taken.rayjay wrote:Say some kind of sports supplement that someone has taken becomes illegal before some of the re-testing. Have measures been put into place for that. I don't like retesting, contamination , is one reason. IMO tests should be of the moment.Twitter: @RichN950 -
retesting is a powerful deterrent IMO"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Does HGH have a place in injury rehabilitation?
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/11/25/ ... juries-nba
For background... Mark Cuban is the billionaire 'celebrity' owner of the Dallas Mavericks NBA team. He's one of the 'sharks' from Shark Tank (think 'dragons' in Dragon's Den).0 -
nic_77 wrote:Does HGH have a place in injury rehabilitation?
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/11/25/ ... juries-nba
For background... Mark Cuban is the billionaire 'celebrity' owner of the Dallas Mavericks NBA team. He's one of the 'sharks' from Shark Tank (think 'dragons' in Dragon's Den).
From a purely medicinal point of view, it might do. Someone would have to do the research and get it licensed for that though. Seems a little extravagant for something that would probably only speed up healing. Does it not have side-effects that limit its use to slightly more important cases?
From a sports doping point of view, I'd expect to see an explosion in TUEs if it was allowed.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Cologne lab has found 266 positives from the last year's samples using the new steroid test (can pick up on much smaller amounts of the drug in the samples than the previous test, and also can detect it months later). These are all new positives. Athletics, weighlifting and wrestling cited.
'...no new cases have been revealed in testing of samples from cyclists, footballers or German athletes...'
Older samples in process of being re-tested.
Good ol' stanozolol - that's what Ben Johnson got done for. Quite a drug of choice.
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deejay wrote:
Also saying "you won't get me in another boat for another race in 4 years time".iainf72 wrote:I think Ashenden saying on the R5 thing that he can't watch things like the olympics because he knows how its done tells you all you need to know
Well he did and now he is a so called "Sir".
I find this a little irritating, Redgrave's times on an ergo were never extraordinary, certainly not inconsistent with other athletes who I know to be clean*. His main strength, the one which made him such an exceptional oarman, was his technique and blade control.
Having been coached by Steve Gunn in the past and knowing others currently in the GB squad what I have seen of British Rowing is a set up which would not tolerate anyone they suspected of drug use and one so paranoid of any athlete accidentally ingesting a banned substance that eventhose as unlikely to get anywhere as me were told not to touch any sports supplements or products without being 100% sure of what was in them.
It is also worth bearing in mind that there is no money in rowing, the top lottery funded guys get about £30k and everyone else in the county is making a loss, no races pay prize money and other than Redgrave and Pincent not enough people have heard of you to make it possible to sell a book.
*In so much as you can, there were three guys in question who had similar ergometer times, I trained with them twice a day for a few years, had the same coach and never saw anything remotely suspicious.0
